bold small caps

bold small caps

[Peter Münster via ntg-context]

Hi,

I'm quite sure, that this worked some time ago with the standard font (LM):

\setff{smallcaps} Normal and \bf bold Small Caps.
(See also https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Bold_small_caps).

But it does not work with the latest ConTeXt version.

How could I get bold small caps with the latest version please?

TIA for any hints,
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Re: bold small caps

[Hans Hagen via ntg-context]

On 4/3/2023 9:07 AM, Peter Münster via ntg-context wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm quite sure, that this worked some time ago with the standard font (LM):
> 
> \setff{smallcaps} Normal and \bf bold Small Caps.
> (See also https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Bold_small_caps).
> 
> But it does not work with the latest ConTeXt version.
> 
> How could I get bold small caps with the latest version please?
> 
> TIA for any hints,
best use a font that has smallcaps (otherwise use pseudocaps \cap{..} etc)

Hans

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Re: bold small caps

[Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context]

On 4/3/23 09:07, Peter Münster via ntg-context wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm quite sure, that this worked some time ago with the standard font (LM):

I had the same impression, Peter.

But LM fonts don‘t have the OT feature smcp:

  \setuppapersize[A8]
  \starttext
  \doloopoverlist{lm, pagella, termes, heros}
  {\setupbodyfont[\recursestring]
  \feature[+][smallcaps]
  smcp {\bf smcp}
  \feature[-][smallcaps]
  smcp {\bf smcp}}
  \stoptext

Just in case it makes it clearer,

Pablo
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Re: Bold small caps

[Hans Hagen]

On 5/23/2014 6:46 PM, Mojca Miklavec wrote:
> On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 6:11 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
>> Am 23.05.2014 um 17:55 schrieb Mojca Miklavec:
>>
>>> Would it make sense to fix this for the default LM setup as well?
>>
>> This need to be done by the font designers because Latin Modern
>> uses a separate font for the small capitals and the \setff (better use
>> \feature) has no effect in this case.
>
> For some reason I thought that they did both (supported all the small
> cap glyphs as well as released a separate font).
>
> But now I remembered that LM doesn't have bold small caps at all.
>
> But apart from fixing the font: would creating some kind of a "virtual
> font" with small cap glyphs taken from the other small cap font(s)
> (where they exist) be feasible/doable? From what I see there are four
> small caps fonts: regular and italic for both the roman and typewriter
> style. No bold and no sans.

I wonder what the gyre folks would answer if we ask for proper embedding 
of smallcaps ...

Hans

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Re: Bold small caps

[Hans Hagen]

On 5/23/2014 5:55 PM, Mojca Miklavec wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I always forget how to use bold or italic small caps (I keep mixing
> addff/setff and smcp/+smcp/smallcaps etc.). In ideal world it could be
> nice if simply
>      {\sc Normal and \bf Bold Small Caps} or
>      {\bf\sc Bold Small Caps}
> would work out-of-the-box.
>
> The first hit on the wiki was
>      http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Bold_small_caps
> which contained just the MKII example. I added a MKIV example
>      {\setff{smallcaps} Normal and \bf bold Small Caps.}
> but the problem is that this example only works with <put any font
> name here> except for the default Latin Modern setup.
>
> Would it make sense to fix this for the default LM setup as well?

I don't know .. I'd rather see lm shipped with the smallcaps in the 
regular font instead of separate.

Hans


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Re: Bold small caps

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 6:11 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
> Am 23.05.2014 um 17:55 schrieb Mojca Miklavec:
>
>> Would it make sense to fix this for the default LM setup as well?
>
> This need to be done by the font designers because Latin Modern
> uses a separate font for the small capitals and the \setff (better use
> \feature) has no effect in this case.

For some reason I thought that they did both (supported all the small
cap glyphs as well as released a separate font).

But now I remembered that LM doesn't have bold small caps at all.

But apart from fixing the font: would creating some kind of a "virtual
font" with small cap glyphs taken from the other small cap font(s)
(where they exist) be feasible/doable? From what I see there are four
small caps fonts: regular and italic for both the roman and typewriter
style. No bold and no sans.

Mojca
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Re: Bold small caps

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 23.05.2014 um 17:55 schrieb Mojca Miklavec <mojca.miklavec.lists@gmail.com>:

> Hi,
> 
> I always forget how to use bold or italic small caps (I keep mixing
> addff/setff and smcp/+smcp/smallcaps etc.). In ideal world it could be
> nice if simply
>    {\sc Normal and \bf Bold Small Caps} or
>    {\bf\sc Bold Small Caps}
> would work out-of-the-box.
> 
> The first hit on the wiki was
>    http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Bold_small_caps
> which contained just the MKII example. I added a MKIV example
>    {\setff{smallcaps} Normal and \bf bold Small Caps.}
> but the problem is that this example only works with <put any font
> name here> except for the default Latin Modern setup.
> 
> Would it make sense to fix this for the default LM setup as well?

This need to be done by the font designers because Latin Modern
uses a separate font for the small capitals and the \setff (better use
\feature) has no effect in this case.

Wolfgang
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Bold small caps

[Mojca Miklavec]

Hi,

I always forget how to use bold or italic small caps (I keep mixing
addff/setff and smcp/+smcp/smallcaps etc.). In ideal world it could be
nice if simply
    {\sc Normal and \bf Bold Small Caps} or
    {\bf\sc Bold Small Caps}
would work out-of-the-box.

The first hit on the wiki was
    http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Bold_small_caps
which contained just the MKII example. I added a MKIV example
    {\setff{smallcaps} Normal and \bf bold Small Caps.}
but the problem is that this example only works with <put any font
name here> except for the default Latin Modern setup.

Would it make sense to fix this for the default LM setup as well?

Mojca
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Re: Bold Small Caps

[Sietse Brouwer]

Malte wrote:
> Thank you. However, I am getting an undefined control sequence here:
>
> l.4 {\bf This is bold {\feature
>                                [+][f:smallcaps] and bold small caps} and jus...
>
> However, the wiki page http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Featuresets
> confirms your syntax. What am I missing?

The version you are using? The `\feature[+][...]` syntax has been
around only since about March 2013; before that you had to use
`\addfeature[...]`. Does that explain the error you're getting?

Cheers,
Sietse
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Re: Bold Small Caps

[Malte Stien]

Wolfgang,

Thank you. However, I am getting an undefined control sequence here:

l.4 {\bf This is bold {\feature
                               [+][f:smallcaps] and bold small caps} and jus...

However, the wiki page http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Featuresets confirms your syntax. What am I missing?

Regards,
Malte.


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On 25/06/2013, at 11:08 PM, Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@gmail.com> wrote:

> 
> Am 25.06.2013 um 14:59 schrieb Malte Stien <malte@stien.de>:
> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I am trying for bold small caps, such like
>> 
>> {\bf This is bold {\sc and bold small caps} and just bold again}
>> 
>> However, out of the box, the inner {\sc ...} part is not typeset in bold. So after a bit of looking I found this:
>> 
>> http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Bold_small_caps
>> 
>> But it does not work for me. I noticed the module (http://pmrb.free.fr/work/OS/ConTeXt/) is from 2006, so the bit rot might have set in. Should it still work? Or is there a better way these days?
> 
> 
> When you have a opentype font with bold smallcaps you can enable them with the \feature command:
> 
> \setupbodyfont[pagella]
> 
> \starttext
> {\bf This is bold {\feature[+][f:smallcaps] and bold small caps} and just bold again}
> \stoptext
> 
> Wolfgang
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Re: Bold Small Caps

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 25.06.2013 um 14:59 schrieb Malte Stien <malte@stien.de>:

> Hello,
> 
> I am trying for bold small caps, such like
> 
>  {\bf This is bold {\sc and bold small caps} and just bold again}
> 
> However, out of the box, the inner {\sc ...} part is not typeset in bold. So after a bit of looking I found this:
> 
>  http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Bold_small_caps
> 
> But it does not work for me. I noticed the module (http://pmrb.free.fr/work/OS/ConTeXt/) is from 2006, so the bit rot might have set in. Should it still work? Or is there a better way these days?


When you have a opentype font with bold smallcaps you can enable them with the \feature command:

\setupbodyfont[pagella]

\starttext
{\bf This is bold {\feature[+][f:smallcaps] and bold small caps} and just bold again}
\stoptext

Wolfgang
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Bold Small Caps

[Malte Stien]

Hello,

I am trying for bold small caps, such like

  {\bf This is bold {\sc and bold small caps} and just bold again}

However, out of the box, the inner {\sc ...} part is not typeset in bold. So after a bit of looking I found this:

  http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Bold_small_caps

But it does not work for me. I noticed the module (http://pmrb.free.fr/work/OS/ConTeXt/) is from 2006, so the bit rot might have set in. Should it still work? Or is there a better way these days?

Thank you,
Malte.


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Re: bold small caps

[Hans Hagen]

On 12-12-2010 8:39, Peter Münster wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 12 2010, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
>>
>> \unexpanded\def\sc{\doifelsecurrentfonthasfeature{smcp}{\addfs{smcp}}\normalsc}
>
> Nice!  Hans, what about integration into the core?

when it works out ok, I'm sure that wolfgang and I will look into it

Hans

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Re: bold small caps

[Marco]

On 2010-12-12 Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com> wrote:

> > Maybe it is possible that the \sc macro can check if the font contains the
> > small caps as a feature. Is there a switch like
> > \doiffontfeatureexists{smcp}{...}?
> 
> \startluacode
>     function commands.doifelsecurrentfonthasfeature(name)
>         local f = fonts.identifiers[font.current()]
>         f = f and f.shared
>         f = f and f.otfdata
>         f = f and f.luatex
>         f = f and f.features
>         commands.doifelse(f and (f.gpos[name] or f.gsub[name]))
>     end
> \stopluacode
> 
> \def\doifelsecurrentfonthasfeature#1%
>   {\ctxlua{commands.doifelsecurrentfonthasfeature("#1")}}
> 
> \let\normalsc\sc
> \definefontfeature[smcp][smcp=yes]
> \definefontfeature[latn][script=latn]
> 
> \unexpanded\def\sc{\doifelsecurrentfonthasfeature{smcp}{\addfs{smcp}}\normalsc}
> 
> \starttext
> 
> \tf text \sc text
> 
> \switchtobodyfont[cambria]\addfs{latn} % cambria needs the latin script for
> smallcaps
> 
> \tf text \addfs{smcp} text
> 
> \switchtobodyfont[modern]
> 
> \tf text \sc text
> 
> \stoptext
That's a nice piece of code! Thanks for your effort.

Marco


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Re: bold small caps

[Peter Münster]

On Sun, Dec 12 2010, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
> 
> \unexpanded\def\sc{\doifelsecurrentfonthasfeature{smcp}{\addfs{smcp}}\normalsc}

Nice!  Hans, what about integration into the core?
Thanks Wolfgang!
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Re: bold small caps

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 12.12.2010 um 16:22 schrieb Marco:

> On 2010-12-12 Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com> wrote:
> 
>>> Depending on your answers, I would perhaps request to trigger
>>> \setff{smallcaps} by \sc in the core.
>> 
>> Can be a problem because we have font (e.g. Latin Modern) where
>> smallcaps are still in a separate file.
> So the user has to know in which fashion the small caps were created, as font
> feature or in a seperate file. That's not very convenient. When the user
> switches to another font it may break the document, since he has to change the
> \setff{smallcaps} to \sc.
> 
> Maybe it is possible that the \sc macro can check if the font contains the
> small caps as a feature. Is there a switch like
> \doiffontfeatureexists{smcp}{...}? I have the following logic in mind:
> 
> 1) Check if small caps are a font feature, if not
> 2) check if small caps are in a seperate font, if not
> 3) fake them.

\startluacode
    function commands.doifelsecurrentfonthasfeature(name)
        local f = fonts.identifiers[font.current()]
        f = f and f.shared
        f = f and f.otfdata
        f = f and f.luatex
        f = f and f.features
        commands.doifelse(f and (f.gpos[name] or f.gsub[name]))
    end
\stopluacode

\def\doifelsecurrentfonthasfeature#1%
  {\ctxlua{commands.doifelsecurrentfonthasfeature("#1")}}

\let\normalsc\sc
\definefontfeature[smcp][smcp=yes]
\definefontfeature[latn][script=latn]

\unexpanded\def\sc{\doifelsecurrentfonthasfeature{smcp}{\addfs{smcp}}\normalsc}

\starttext

\tf text \sc text

\switchtobodyfont[cambria]\addfs{latn} % cambria needs the latin script for smallcaps

\tf text \addfs{smcp} text

\switchtobodyfont[modern]

\tf text \sc text

\stoptext

Wolfgang

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Re: bold small caps

[Marco]

On 2010-12-12 Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com> wrote:

> > Depending on your answers, I would perhaps request to trigger
> > \setff{smallcaps} by \sc in the core.
> 
> Can be a problem because we have font (e.g. Latin Modern) where
> smallcaps are still in a separate file.
So the user has to know in which fashion the small caps were created, as font
feature or in a seperate file. That's not very convenient. When the user
switches to another font it may break the document, since he has to change the
\setff{smallcaps} to \sc.

Maybe it is possible that the \sc macro can check if the font contains the
small caps as a feature. Is there a switch like
\doiffontfeatureexists{smcp}{...}? I have the following logic in mind:

1) Check if small caps are a font feature, if not
2) check if small caps are in a seperate font, if not
3) fake them.


Regards
Marco


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Re: bold small caps

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 12.12.2010 um 00:12 schrieb Peter Münster:

> On Sat, Dec 11 2010, Florian Wobbe wrote:
> 
>> {\setff{smallcaps} SmallCaps {\bf BoldCaps}}
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Thanks! What's the difference between \sc and \setff{smallcaps}?

By default \sc switch to a different font like \it or \bf but now
with opentype fonts smallcaps are a part of many fonts which can
be enabled with the smcp feature.

> Could something like "\def\sc{\setff{smallcaps}}" in the preamble harm
> in any way?

I would change this to

\definefontfeature[smcp][mode=node,smcp=yes]

\unexpanded\def\sc{\addfs{smcp}}

> Depending on your answers, I would perhaps request to trigger
> \setff{smallcaps} by \sc in the core.

Can be a problem because we have font (e.g. Latin Modern) where
smallcaps are still in a separate file.

Wolfgang

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Re: bold small caps

[Peter Münster]

On Sat, Dec 11 2010, Florian Wobbe wrote:

> {\setff{smallcaps} SmallCaps {\bf BoldCaps}}

Hello,

Thanks! What's the difference between \sc and \setff{smallcaps}?

Could something like "\def\sc{\setff{smallcaps}}" in the preamble harm
in any way?

Depending on your answers, I would perhaps request to trigger
\setff{smallcaps} by \sc in the core.

Peter

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Re: bold small caps

[Florian Wobbe]

On Dec 11, 2010, at 23:40 , Peter Münster wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> Is there a font in the minimals with bold small caps? I've tried lm and some
> tex-gyre fonts, but no success so far...
> 
> Test file:
> 
> \setupbodyfont[???]
> \starttext
> {\sc\bf Test} or {\bf\sc Test} should give bold small caps...
> \stoptext

Hi, this should work:

\setupbodyfont[pagella]

\starttext
{\setff{smallcaps} SmallCaps {\bf BoldCaps}}
\stoptext

Florian

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bold small caps

[Peter Münster]

Hello,

Is there a font in the minimals with bold small caps? I've tried lm and some
tex-gyre fonts, but no success so far...

Test file:

\setupbodyfont[???]
\starttext
{\sc\bf Test} or {\bf\sc Test} should give bold small caps...
\stoptext

http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Pseudo_Small_Caps seems to apply only to mkii.

TIA for any help!
Peter

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bold small caps

[Peter Münster]

Hello,
I just tried the Latin Modern font, but there are no bold small caps
available, as in the EC fonts. Is it possible to add EC support to ConTeXt?
TIA for any hint, Peter

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