From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/34270 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "luigi scarso" Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: ConTeXt versioning model critique Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 23:19:36 +0200 Message-ID: References: <823522955.20070414142904@gmail.com> <4620ED5C.2000003@web.de> <46213DFC.6000903@wxs.nl> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1176585605 9997 80.91.229.12 (14 Apr 2007 21:20:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 21:20:05 +0000 (UTC) To: "mailing list for ConTeXt users" Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Sat Apr 14 23:19:58 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Hcpez-00085s-Ug for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 23:19:54 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D81920077; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 23:19:53 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09640-01; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 23:19:46 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4F6720073; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 23:19:45 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id E05D820073 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 23:19:41 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09548-09 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 23:19:38 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.251]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 384042006E for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 23:19:38 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d33so1248633and for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 14:19:37 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.100.144.11 with SMTP id r11mr3434641and.1176585576474; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 14:19:36 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.100.191.10 with HTTP; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 14:19:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <46213DFC.6000903@wxs.nl> Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:34270 Archived-At: On 4/14/07, Hans Hagen wrote: > Ulf Martin wrote: > > I wonder how people (esp. at Pragma) currently deal with this. > for projects where we use relatively new features (which evolve) we use > frozen trees; Confirm One tree of 2002 ("still-crazy-after-all-these-years"). Another of 2004. Switch to last pdftex/context sometimes second quarter of this year; switch to luatex at the end of next year. Why switch ? Last versions. are better (speed and features); pdf spec. change . > > with regards to commands and such ... context is just (supposed to be) > downward compatible; even kind of obsolete is still there; with regards > to different solutions to problems, we often provide control usign low > level mode indicators On average, my macros are not completly portable from one tree to another, but I'm sure that this depend from my poor coding tecnique for 95% . 5% is made by spaces and fonts . > > concerning xetex ... keep in mind that there xetex is the moving target > (changes/extensions in interface) and to some extend this was true for > pdftex as well, but there we could silently adapt > > Also remember that Knuth originally intended TeX to be an "eternal" > > formatting system (thus we have at least the option to expand all macros > > into plain TeX and keep that as the source file). > > > plain tex is just a format and unsuitable as expanded format > > well, i have some experimental code that dumps the expanded token list > into a file; nu fun ... a 50 page moderately complex doc becomes some 25 > meg -) pdf has some sort of compression . Do \pdfcompresslevel=0 \pdfobjcompresslevel=0 make some differences in your 50page document? > Sanjoy has set up an advanced test system ... so anything that you > contribute can go in there I will install on my machine. luigi