mkiv new zips

mkiv new zips

[luigi scarso]

new zips today
2008-04-16 at 11:00

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luigi
it's new .
it's powerful .
it's luatex .
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New context release

[Taco Hoekwater]

Hi all,

Hans has been very busy today. Just now, he uploaded the
fourth "current" of today, and we now believe to have fixed
all reported bugs introduced by 2008.04.15.

Of course we cannot be sure, but please have look at

   http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Release_Note

for everything we did change and patch in the past 24 hours.
If nothing bad happens, this release will go to CTAN (and
debian, I presume) sometime tomorrow.

Best wishes,
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Re: [dev-context] New context release

[Norbert Preining]

Hi all,

On Mi, 16 Apr 2008, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
>    http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Release_Note
> 
> for everything we did change and patch in the past 24 hours.
> If nothing bad happens, this release will go to CTAN (and
> debian, I presume) sometime tomorrow.


Preliminary packages are available at the usual location
	deb http://people.debian.org/~preining/TeX/ context/
	deb-src http://people.debian.org/~preining/TeX/ context/
Please give it a try.

I made tests and it passed all context/pdftex tests and the simple
context/luatex I am using.


Taco/Hans: Do you require the newest lmodern with the change of font
names in this context version? Debian currently has 1.010x.

This is important because we have to make a concerted action in case the
deps are on the new lmodern.

Thanks and all the best

Norbert

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Re: [dev-context] New context release

[Hans Hagen]

Norbert Preining wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> On Mi, 16 Apr 2008, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
>>    http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Release_Note
>>
>> for everything we did change and patch in the past 24 hours.
>> If nothing bad happens, this release will go to CTAN (and
>> debian, I presume) sometime tomorrow.
> 
> 
> Preliminary packages are available at the usual location
> 	deb http://people.debian.org/~preining/TeX/ context/
> 	deb-src http://people.debian.org/~preining/TeX/ context/
> Please give it a try.
> 
> I made tests and it passed all context/pdftex tests and the simple
> context/luatex I am using.
> 
> 
> Taco/Hans: Do you require the newest lmodern with the change of font
> names in this context version? Debian currently has 1.010x.
> 
> This is important because we have to make a concerted action in case the
> deps are on the new lmodern.

indeed we need the latest although in the luatex version there is a kind 
of fallback name subsystem,

thanks for your prompt package building

Hans


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Re: New context release

[Norbert Preining]

On Mi, 16 Apr 2008, Hans Hagen wrote:
> indeed we need the latest although in the luatex version there is a kind 
> of fallback name subsystem,

Aehmmmmm.... what does this mean??? So either you need it, or there is a
fallback system ... semantics are sometimes dangerous ;-)

So if we ship the old or the new one there is no problem with the one or
the other?

> thanks for your prompt package building

No problem, there are normally not many things to do but running the
tests.

But I still hope that some Debian ConTeXt user could check that
everything works as expected etc etc.

Best wishes

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Re: [dev-context] New context release

[Hans Hagen]

Norbert Preining wrote:
> On Mi, 16 Apr 2008, Hans Hagen wrote:
>> indeed we need the latest although in the luatex version there is a kind 
>> of fallback name subsystem,
> 
> Aehmmmmm.... what does this mean??? So either you need it, or there is a
> fallback system ... semantics are sometimes dangerous ;-)

well, it may work with the old fonts (depends on how old), in 
font-syn.tex  you will find

fonts.names.new_to_old = {
     ["lmroman10-capsregular"]                = "lmromancaps10-oblique",
     ["lmroman10-capsoblique"]                = "lmromancaps10-regular",
     ["lmroman10-demi"]                       = "lmromandemi10-oblique",
     ["lmroman10-demioblique"]                = "lmromandemi10-regular",
     ["lmroman8-oblique"]                     = "lmromanslant8-regular",
     ["lmroman9-oblique"]                     = "lmromanslant9-regular",
     ["lmroman10-oblique"]                    = "lmromanslant10-regular",
     ["lmroman12-oblique"]                    = "lmromanslant12-regular",

etc. so older fonts are ok for context/luatex; while for xetex new fonts 
are needed.

> So if we ship the old or the new one there is no problem with the one or
> the other?

not for luatex/context

Hans

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Re: New context release

[Norbert Preining]

On Mi, 16 Apr 2008, Hans Hagen wrote:
> well, it may work with the old fonts (depends on how old), in 
> font-syn.tex  you will find

Well it is the last release before the renaming of the fonts, as I said
1.01x.

> etc. so older fonts are ok for context/luatex; while for xetex new fonts 
> are needed.
> 
> >So if we ship the old or the new one there is no problem with the one or
> >the other?
> 
> not for luatex/context

Huuu ... above you say

   "so older fonts are ok for context/luatex; while for xetex new fonts
    are needed"

and then

   "not for luatex/context"


So I assume the situation is as follows:

- for context/luatex: ok with old and new ones
- for context/xetex: new ones are necessary

Ok, I will think about updating the lmodern fonts, too, but renaming the
font names is really a pain, you shouldn't do that after a 1.something
release. No idea why they did that.

Thanks for the information

Best wishes

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Re: New context release

[Norbert Preining]

On Mi, 16 Apr 2008, Norbert Preining wrote:
> - for context/luatex: ok with old and new ones
> - for context/xetex: new ones are necessary
> 
> Ok, I will think about updating the lmodern fonts, too, but renaming the

Hmm, according to Ralf updating the lmodern is a no-go because that
would need euenc/fontspec updates, which would need ... devilish.
(See bugs.debian.org/469437)

I guess we have to live with this for lenny. And for the next we will
have TL2008 with new xetex/luatex and can ship new context and fonts.

Or do you have another suggestion???

Best wishes

Norbert

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Re: [dev-context] New context release

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 7:21 PM, Norbert Preining wrote:
> On Mi, 16 Apr 2008, Norbert Preining wrote:
>  > - for context/luatex: ok with old and new ones
>  > - for context/xetex: new ones are necessary

True.

>  > Ok, I will think about updating the lmodern fonts, too, but renaming the
>
>  Hmm, according to Ralf updating the lmodern is a no-go because that
>  would need euenc/fontspec updates, which would need ... devilish.
>  (See bugs.debian.org/469437)
>
>  I guess we have to live with this for lenny. And for the next we will
>  have TL2008 with new xetex/luatex and can ship new context and fonts.
>
>  Or do you have another suggestion???

ConTeXt + XeTeX will be broken without the latest LM fonts. ConTeX +
LuaTeX works OK.

For XeLaTeX you indeed need to update fontspec, but if you're
reluctant to upgrade the rest of XeTeX, a fix of fontspec to support
the latest LM fonts is so minor, that it's really not worth having a
broken ConTeXt+XeTeX. fontspec might need only a few name fixes,
that's all.

Maybe Jonathan and Will have something more to say about which version
of XeTeX and fontspec might be best to consider to make its way into
Debian, but a humble request from my side - please do upgrade LM.
(MikTeX has done that already.)

Mojca
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Re: New context release

[Norbert Preining]

On Mi, 16 Apr 2008, Mojca Miklavec wrote:
> For XeLaTeX you indeed need to update fontspec, but if you're
> reluctant to upgrade the rest of XeTeX, a fix of fontspec to support
> the latest LM fonts is so minor, that it's really not worth having a
> broken ConTeXt+XeTeX. fontspec might need only a few name fixes,
> that's all.

Give me a patch and I will see whether it is so "minor".

> Debian, but a humble request from my side - please do upgrade LM.

There are people using xetex without context, and I don't want to break
anything for them. context/luatex and context/xetex are more
experimental (or at least I consider them that way).

I need to see the necessary changes before I can discuss that.

Jonathan, Will: It is about TeX Live 2007 in Debian/lenny. There will be
no TL2008 in lenny. But we have recent context and recent luatex.

It is about updating the lmodern fonts, currently we have 1.01x, the
last before the otf and font names were renamed.

What changes would be necessary for fontspec and/or euenc and/or xetex
so that we don't break everything, and have a working:
	xetex
	context/xetex

Thanks for any enlightening comments!!

Best wishes

Norbert

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Re: [dev-context] New context release

[Jan-Erik Hägglöf]

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Hans Hagen skrev:
> Norbert Preining wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> On Mi, 16 Apr 2008, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
>>>    http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Release_Note
>>>
>>> for everything we did change and patch in the past 24 hours.
>>> If nothing bad happens, this release will go to CTAN (and
>>> debian, I presume) sometime tomorrow.
>>
>> Preliminary packages are available at the usual location
>> 	deb http://people.debian.org/~preining/TeX/ context/
>> 	deb-src http://people.debian.org/~preining/TeX/ context/
>> Please give it a try.


It seems that the debian install on above repository not did work for me
as expected.
The luatex engine were lost.

I did the first-setup.sh script
and setuptex

and added necessary lines in my .bashrc

so my documents are build perfect.

I have ubuntu gutsy 7.10

with only minimal-context installed

All best and wishes
and thanks for this wonderful tool

no more microsoft word
no more LateX
forever conteXt

Janneman - Sweden

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Re: [dev-context] New context release

[Jonathan Kew]

On 16 Apr 2008, at 7:56 pm, Norbert Preining wrote:

> Jonathan, Will: It is about TeX Live 2007 in Debian/lenny. There  
> will be
> no TL2008 in lenny. But we have recent context and recent luatex.
>
> It is about updating the lmodern fonts, currently we have 1.01x, the
> last before the otf and font names were renamed.
>
> What changes would be necessary for fontspec and/or euenc and/or xetex
> so that we don't break everything, and have a working:
> 	xetex
> 	context/xetex

Given that there won't be TL2008 in lenny, I think it would be very  
desirable to update xetex to a more recent version than 0.996 as  
shipped with TL2007. This would provide several important bug-fixes  
and improve compatibility with certain latex packages (I don't know  
much about the context situation). If you stay with the TL2007  
release, it will quickly look quite stale compared to other  
distributions that are around, and will frustrate users when features  
that others are using don't work for them.

If you're willing to consider this, I can make and tag a branch in  
our Subversion repository to give you a stable version to use (you'll  
need to use that rather than the TL repository). Let me know if I  
should do that. Don't try to grab the latest code from my TRUNK, as  
that's sometimes a bit too experimental.

JK

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Re: New context release

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 1:42 AM, Jonathan Kew wrote:
> On 16 Apr 2008, at 7:56 pm, Norbert Preining wrote:
>
>  Given that there won't be TL2008 in lenny, I think it would be very
> desirable to update xetex to a more recent version than 0.996 as shipped
> with TL2007.

> (I don't know much about the context situation).

ConTeXt would be happy to have the \supressfontnotfounderror fix
available (which means: happy to have a binary version of XeTeX later
than the one in TL 2007), but should work OK with the old one with
some semi-serious time penalty. If one also forgets all the other nice
bug fixes in xetex, old LM fonts are the only issue that would really
break functionality.

Mojca

Re: [dev-context] New context release

[Norbert Preining]

On Do, 17 Apr 2008, Jonathan Kew wrote:
> If you're willing to consider this, I can make and tag a branch in  
> our Subversion repository to give you a stable version to use (you'll  

I am considering that, and (but) best would be to have a patch against
the sources in TeX Live 2007 (the bug fix branch I mean).

Is there a chance to get such a patch?

And we should at the same time update the necessary packages (is euenc
and fontspec enough?)

So, yes, I am consider that.

Best wishes

Norbert

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Re: [dev-context] New context release

[Will Robertson]

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On 17/04/2008, at 2:48 PM, Norbert Preining wrote:
> And we should at the same time update the necessary packages (is euenc
> and fontspec enough?)

xltxtra has seen a couple of bug fixes too.
That one -is- in the current repository.

W

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Re: [dev-context] New context release

[Norbert Preining]

Hi Will,

On Do, 17 Apr 2008, Will Robertson wrote:
> All other XeTeX+LaTeX packages are unaffected and you should use the  
> latest versions from the SVN repository. If you need me to upload the  

Umpf, I don't like to package stuff that is in some svn repository for a
stable release, stuff that hasn't seen at least a decent amount of
testing.

Honestly, I fear to open a pandora's box here. We are now at a level
that I would have to:
- patch xetex and probably xdvipdfmx
- patch several tex packages
- update the lmodern fonts

And I am not sure that all this will *not* affect anything else in
TeX Live 2007!?!?

Furthermore, to be honest, I currently have not the time to prepare such
a big thing.

If one wants to step in and make a patch please grab
	http://people.debian.org/~preining/TeX/src/texlive-bin_2007.dfsg.1.orig.tar.gz
and send a patch against it. It contains fontspec, euenc, and xltxtra.

Receiving this patch I can (re)consider the whole thing.

Sorry, but I have my time constraints, final theoretical mountain guide
exam, upstream TeX Live work, and a real life ;-))))


Best wishes

Norbert

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Re: New context release

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On 17/04/2008, at 3:08 PM, Norbert Preining wrote:
> Honestly, I fear to open a pandora's box here.

Bleah, I can see your concern.
Sorry, I didn't know how you went about actually creating this package.

It sounds like it would be easiest to stick with the official releases  
of TeXLive, despite the long-ish lag-time.

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Re: New context release

[Norbert Preining]

On Do, 17 Apr 2008, Will Robertson wrote:
> Sorry, I didn't know how you went about actually creating this package.

The packages are created from the actual TeX Live release, or better
from the security branch of the subversion repository, the tag 2007.1 or
how it is called.

> It sounds like it would be easiest to stick with the official releases  
> of TeXLive, despite the long-ish lag-time.

Well yes and no. If the changes are not too invasive we can do it, but
you remember what I said ... ;-)

The problem is when lenny gets stable there will be *no* changes besides
security changes. We will not have the chance to get fixes for stupid
bugs that creeped in into lenny.

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Re: [dev-context] New context release

[Jonathan Kew]

On 17 Apr 2008, at 1:09 am, Mojca Miklavec wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 1:42 AM, Jonathan Kew wrote:
>> On 16 Apr 2008, at 7:56 pm, Norbert Preining wrote:
>>
>>  Given that there won't be TL2008 in lenny, I think it would be very
>> desirable to update xetex to a more recent version than 0.996 as  
>> shipped
>> with TL2007.
>
>> (I don't know much about the context situation).
>
> ConTeXt would be happy to have the \supressfontnotfounderror fix
> available (which means: happy to have a binary version of XeTeX later
> than the one in TL 2007),

OK, but for Debian it'll need to be provided as a source patch, we  
can't simply give them a binary.

JK

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Re: [dev-context] New context release

[Jonathan Kew]

On 17 Apr 2008, at 7:23 am, Norbert Preining wrote:

> On Do, 17 Apr 2008, Will Robertson wrote:
>> Sorry, I didn't know how you went about actually creating this  
>> package.
>
> The packages are created from the actual TeX Live release, or better
> from the security branch of the subversion repository, the tag  
> 2007.1 or
> how it is called.

There's a tag "2007.0", which matches the actual release DVD, and  
there's a "branch2007" which has had a few bug fixes applied (mostly  
bugfixes in xetex, also apparently some security fixes in dviljk).

What I suggest is that I review xetex bug-fixes since the 2007  
release, and back-port the most important ones to branch2007 in TeX  
Live; we can also include the \suppressfontnotfounderror or whatever  
it's called, for the sake of the new context. But we won't try to  
include any of the major new features (like Graphite font support, or  
the new ICU version, etc), which would make for a massive patch.

This would give you a "xetex 0.996-patch2" in Lenny (what's in  
branch2007 is currently 0.996-patch1), should work for both context  
and non-context users, and should be non-invasive as far as the rest  
of TL is concerned.

If I do this, and create a tag "2007.1" in TL with the updated  
branch2007 version, are you able to use this as the base for your  
package? I presume you don't use the actual binaries from TL Master/ 
bin anyway, so what matters is what we have in the source tree.

JK

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Re: [dev-context] New context release

[Norbert Preining]

On Do, 17 Apr 2008, Jonathan Kew wrote:
> If I do this, and create a tag "2007.1" in TL with the updated
> branch2007 version, are you able to use this as the base for your

Of course, that would be great. And if you want to be nice to me, too,
send me a simple diff (svn diff output) of what you did and I am
settled.

> package? I presume you don't use the actual binaries from TL Master/

No, of course not.

> bin anyway, so what matters is what we have in the source tree.

Right.

Big thanks a lot.

That leaves the changes to euenc, fontspec, xltx..., ??? TO do or not
to?

Best wishes

Norbert

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