* Creating account on wiki contextgarden
@ 2008-07-28 20:28 Mehdi Omidali
2008-07-28 20:38 ` Mehdi Omidali
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From: Mehdi Omidali @ 2008-07-28 20:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Hi everyone,
I want to translate "Context an excursion" to farsi and went to
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/ConTeXt_on_Excursion,_translations
and tried to create an account to be able to access source files. I
faced a problem in the "anti automated account creation question"
which is something like
(23 plus 8) times roman 'C'
What must be inserted as the answer to such a problem. I tried
everything but no success.
Best Wishes.
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread* Re: Creating account on wiki contextgarden 2008-07-28 20:28 Creating account on wiki contextgarden Mehdi Omidali @ 2008-07-28 20:38 ` Mehdi Omidali 2008-07-28 20:38 ` Hans Hagen ` (2 subsequent siblings) 3 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Mehdi Omidali @ 2008-07-28 20:38 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Hi, Please ignore my previous post. I could make an account. Bests On 7/28/08, Mehdi Omidali <mehdioa@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi everyone, > I want to translate "Context an excursion" to farsi and went to > http://wiki.contextgarden.net/ConTeXt_on_Excursion,_translations > and tried to create an account to be able to access source files. I > faced a problem in the "anti automated account creation question" > which is something like > (23 plus 8) times roman 'C' > What must be inserted as the answer to such a problem. I tried > everything but no success. > Best Wishes. > ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: Creating account on wiki contextgarden 2008-07-28 20:28 Creating account on wiki contextgarden Mehdi Omidali 2008-07-28 20:38 ` Mehdi Omidali @ 2008-07-28 20:38 ` Hans Hagen 2008-07-28 20:49 ` Mehdi Omidali 2008-07-28 20:46 ` Peter Münster 2008-07-29 2:29 ` luigi scarso 3 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2008-07-28 20:38 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Mehdi Omidali wrote: > Hi everyone, > I want to translate "Context an excursion" to farsi and went to > http://wiki.contextgarden.net/ConTeXt_on_Excursion,_translations > and tried to create an account to be able to access source files. I > faced a problem in the "anti automated account creation question" > which is something like > (23 plus 8) times roman 'C' (23+8)*C = 31*100 = 3100 > What must be inserted as the answer to such a problem. I tried > everything but no success. it always takes me a few attempts -) ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: Creating account on wiki contextgarden 2008-07-28 20:38 ` Hans Hagen @ 2008-07-28 20:49 ` Mehdi Omidali 2008-07-28 21:02 ` Mojca Miklavec 0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread From: Mehdi Omidali @ 2008-07-28 20:49 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Hi, I created an account but still I can not register at https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextman How can I have the "context an excursion" source file so that I can translate it. Best wishes. ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: Creating account on wiki contextgarden 2008-07-28 20:49 ` Mehdi Omidali @ 2008-07-28 21:02 ` Mojca Miklavec 2008-07-28 21:39 ` Mehdi Omidali 0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread From: Mojca Miklavec @ 2008-07-28 21:02 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 10:49 PM, Mehdi Omidali wrote: > Hi, > I created an account but still I can not register at > https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextman > How can I have the "context an excursion" source file so that I can > translate it. The account on the garden is different from SVN access. See http://foundry.supelec.fr/scm/?group_id=22 To get the files you don't need the account. You need the account in order to commit changes. Do you have SVN installed? On windows it's best to install TortoiseSVN and right-lick on "check out", on linux you should be able to run: svn checkout http://scm.foundry.supelec.fr/svn/contextman You can browse the files on http://foundry.supelec.fr/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/context-beginners/?root=contextman Mojca ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: Creating account on wiki contextgarden 2008-07-28 21:02 ` Mojca Miklavec @ 2008-07-28 21:39 ` Mehdi Omidali 2008-07-28 21:56 ` Hans Hagen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread From: Mehdi Omidali @ 2008-07-28 21:39 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Hi, Thank you Mojca and Hans, As the matter of copyright; I want to know if I am allowed to translate "Context an excursion" to persian. If it is so, I can translate it and give the translation to whoever you prefer to be included in the website. Best Wishes On 7/29/08, Mojca Miklavec <mojca.miklavec.lists@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 10:49 PM, Mehdi Omidali wrote: >> Hi, >> I created an account but still I can not register at >> https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextman >> How can I have the "context an excursion" source file so that I can >> translate it. > > The account on the garden is different from SVN access. See > http://foundry.supelec.fr/scm/?group_id=22 > > To get the files you don't need the account. You need the account in > order to commit changes. Do you have SVN installed? On windows it's > best to install TortoiseSVN and right-lick on "check out", on linux > you should be able to run: > svn checkout http://scm.foundry.supelec.fr/svn/contextman > > You can browse the files on > > http://foundry.supelec.fr/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/context-beginners/?root=contextman > > Mojca > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to > the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / > http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net > archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: Creating account on wiki contextgarden 2008-07-28 21:39 ` Mehdi Omidali @ 2008-07-28 21:56 ` Hans Hagen 2008-07-29 2:14 ` luigi scarso 0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2008-07-28 21:56 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Mehdi Omidali wrote: > As the matter of copyright; I want to know if I am allowed to > translate "Context an excursion" to persian. If it is so, I can > translate it and give the translation to whoever you prefer to be > included in the website. sure, go ahead, others have translated it too; i can also imagine that you adapt some of the content to arab typesetting (fonts and such) it would make a good testcase for r-l typesetting in context Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: Creating account on wiki contextgarden 2008-07-28 21:56 ` Hans Hagen @ 2008-07-29 2:14 ` luigi scarso 0 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: luigi scarso @ 2008-07-29 2:14 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 671 bytes --] On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 11:56 PM, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote: > Mehdi Omidali wrote: > > > As the matter of copyright; I want to know if I am allowed to > > translate "Context an excursion" to persian. If it is so, I can > > translate it and give the translation to whoever you prefer to be > > included in the website. > > sure, go ahead, others have translated it too; i can also imagine that > you adapt some of the content to arab typesetting (fonts and such) > > it would make a good testcase for r-l typesetting in context > and also as style example. It would be interestring if we could make a parallel between "western" style and persian style -- luigi [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 1083 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 487 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: Creating account on wiki contextgarden 2008-07-28 20:28 Creating account on wiki contextgarden Mehdi Omidali 2008-07-28 20:38 ` Mehdi Omidali 2008-07-28 20:38 ` Hans Hagen @ 2008-07-28 20:46 ` Peter Münster 2008-07-29 2:29 ` luigi scarso 3 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Peter Münster @ 2008-07-28 20:46 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On Mon, Jul 28 2008, Mehdi Omidali wrote: > faced a problem in the "anti automated account creation question" > which is something like > (23 plus 8) times roman 'C' > What must be inserted as the answer to such a problem. I tried > everything but no success. Really everything? Also "3100"? Cheers, Peter ;) -- http://pmrb.free.fr/contact/ ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: Creating account on wiki contextgarden 2008-07-28 20:28 Creating account on wiki contextgarden Mehdi Omidali ` (2 preceding siblings ...) 2008-07-28 20:46 ` Peter Münster @ 2008-07-29 2:29 ` luigi scarso 2008-07-29 17:55 ` Hans Hagen 3 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread From: luigi scarso @ 2008-07-29 2:29 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 638 bytes --] On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 10:28 PM, Mehdi Omidali <mehdioa@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi everyone, > I want to translate "Context an excursion" to farsi and went to > http://wiki.contextgarden.net/ConTeXt_on_Excursion,_translations > and tried to create an account to be able to access source files. I > faced a problem in the "anti automated account creation question" > which is something like > (23 plus 8) times roman 'C' > What must be inserted as the answer to such a problem. I tried > everything but no success. > Best Wishes. > I must admit that I will feel confused if the question will be mixed with ancient maya numbers . -- luigi [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 1072 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 487 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: Creating account on wiki contextgarden 2008-07-29 2:29 ` luigi scarso @ 2008-07-29 17:55 ` Hans Hagen 2008-07-29 20:30 ` Henning Hraban Ramm 2008-07-30 3:44 ` luigi scarso 0 siblings, 2 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2008-07-29 17:55 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users luigi scarso wrote: > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 10:28 PM, Mehdi Omidali <mehdioa@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> I want to translate "Context an excursion" to farsi and went to >> http://wiki.contextgarden.net/ConTeXt_on_Excursion,_translations >> and tried to create an account to be able to access source files. I >> faced a problem in the "anti automated account creation question" >> which is something like >> (23 plus 8) times roman 'C' >> What must be inserted as the answer to such a problem. I tried >> everything but no success. >> Best Wishes. >> > > I must admit that I will feel confused if the question will be mixed with > ancient maya numbers . well, you're an original 'roman' guy so you'll get the easy creation question Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: Creating account on wiki contextgarden 2008-07-29 17:55 ` Hans Hagen @ 2008-07-29 20:30 ` Henning Hraban Ramm 2008-07-29 20:49 ` Steve Peter 2008-07-30 3:44 ` luigi scarso 1 sibling, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread From: Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2008-07-29 20:30 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Am 2008-07-29 um 19:55 schrieb Hans Hagen: >> I must admit that I will feel confused if the question will be >> mixed with >> ancient maya numbers . > > well, you're an original 'roman' guy so you'll get the easy creation > question So, someone with a Peruan IP will get a riddle with Maya numbers? And Irish get some Ogham? Greetlings from Lake Constance! Hraban --- http://www.fiee.net/texnique/ http://wiki.contextgarden.net https://www.cacert.org (I'm an assurer) ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: Creating account on wiki contextgarden 2008-07-29 20:30 ` Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2008-07-29 20:49 ` Steve Peter 2008-07-30 0:05 ` Henning Hraban Ramm 0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread From: Steve Peter @ 2008-07-29 20:49 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On Jul 29, 2008, at 4:30 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote: > Am 2008-07-29 um 19:55 schrieb Hans Hagen: >>> I must admit that I will feel confused if the question will be >>> mixed with >>> ancient maya numbers . >> >> well, you're an original 'roman' guy so you'll get the easy creation >> question > > So, someone with a Peruan IP will get a riddle with Maya numbers? The Maya were further north, in what is today Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras and Belize. Peru was home to the Inca, so Peruvians should get quipu. Steve ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: Creating account on wiki contextgarden 2008-07-29 20:49 ` Steve Peter @ 2008-07-30 0:05 ` Henning Hraban Ramm 0 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2008-07-30 0:05 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Am 2008-07-29 um 22:49 schrieb Steve Peter: >>> well, you're an original 'roman' guy so you'll get the easy creation >>> question >> >> So, someone with a Peruan IP will get a riddle with Maya numbers? > > The Maya were further north, in what is today Mexico, Guatemala, > Honduras and Belize. Peru was home to the Inca, so Peruvians should > get quipu. Oh sorry, should have refreshed my geography knowledge before posting. But quipu is decimal, that's no encryption ;-) (Recently read an article on ancient numbering systems that pointed out that big empires worked only with good arithmetics, i.e. quipu or Indian/Arabic numbers succeeded, the Roman empire grew too big for their complicated numbers... Does someone know which system the Carthagians used?) Greetlings from Lake Constance! Hraban --- http://www.fiee.net/texnique/ http://wiki.contextgarden.net https://www.cacert.org (I'm an assurer) ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: Creating account on wiki contextgarden 2008-07-29 17:55 ` Hans Hagen 2008-07-29 20:30 ` Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2008-07-30 3:44 ` luigi scarso 1 sibling, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: luigi scarso @ 2008-07-30 3:44 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1839 bytes --] On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 7:55 PM, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote: > luigi scarso wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 10:28 PM, Mehdi Omidali <mehdioa@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > >> Hi everyone, > >> I want to translate "Context an excursion" to farsi and went to > >> http://wiki.contextgarden.net/ConTeXt_on_Excursion,_translations > >> and tried to create an account to be able to access source files. I > >> faced a problem in the "anti automated account creation question" > >> which is something like > >> (23 plus 8) times roman 'C' > >> What must be inserted as the answer to such a problem. I tried > >> everything but no success. > >> Best Wishes. > >> > > > > I must admit that I will feel confused if the question will be mixed with > > ancient maya numbers . > > well, you're an original 'roman' guy so you'll get the easy creation > question > Better to say "no", otherwise one can argue that I'm also able with Etruscan numerals http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etruscan_numerals BTW, some linearity equations like x = IIII - IV can be problematic (actually {'nulla' , 'N' } are valid solutions, but it's an historical matter) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_numerals One can say that such questions should be avoided because there are no reasons for non-roman people to know about roman numerals (at least they are the same of non-maya people to know about maya numerals), and it's generally true . But, given that we are talking about ConTeXt and given that \romannumerals is a ConTeXt macro, in this particular case such questions are valid. This open the door to similar questions (cfr core-con.lua,core-con.tex for persian,thai etc) and given that Unicode sooner or later will cover all kind of writing systems of the human race, I expect that some day some questions will be mixed with maya numerals. -- luigi [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 2756 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 487 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
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