embed fonts

embed fonts

[Thomas A. Schmitz]

Hi all,

this seems like a very basic question, but I haven't found anything on  
the wiki and in the archive: I'm typesetting a book with mkiv, and the  
printer wants all fonts completely embedded. I knew how to do this in  
mkii, but what about mkiv? (Btw, I'm using \enableprotruding and  
\enableadjusting, would this make any difference for embedding the  
fonts?)

Thanks, and all best

Thomas
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Re: embed fonts

[Hans Hagen]

Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> this seems like a very basic question, but I haven't found anything on 
> the wiki and in the archive: I'm typesetting a book with mkiv, and the 
> printer wants all fonts completely embedded. I knew how to do this in 
> mkii, but what about mkiv? (Btw, I'm using \enableprotruding and 
> \enableadjusting, would this make any difference for embedding the fonts?)

font are always embedded but subsetted which is quite normal; the only 
reason for full embedding is that they want to tweak your text 
afterwards which is not what you want (given that they have the apps to 
deal with it).

protruding and adjusting is not related

Hans


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Re: embed fonts

[luigi scarso]

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On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Thomas A. Schmitz <
thomas.schmitz@uni-bonn.de> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> this seems like a very basic question, but I haven't found anything on the
> wiki and in the archive: I'm typesetting a book with mkiv, and the printer
> wants all fonts completely embedded. I knew how to do this in mkii, but what
> about mkiv? (Btw, I'm using \enableprotruding and \enableadjusting, would
> this make any difference for embedding the fonts?)
>
> I work in a printer house so....
Before full embedding
you can try with these political  moves
1) "I give you all the fonts you need for free"
2) "I cannot completly embedd the fonts, because there are copyright isuues"
After that ,
did you already tried to do the same things in miv as  in mkii ?

If they fails,
then we must find a solution .




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Re: embed fonts

[Thomas A. Schmitz]

On Oct 16, 2009, at 2:09 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:

> Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> this seems like a very basic question, but I haven't found anything  
>> on the wiki and in the archive: I'm typesetting a book with mkiv,  
>> and the printer wants all fonts completely embedded. I knew how to  
>> do this in mkii, but what about mkiv? (Btw, I'm using  
>> \enableprotruding and \enableadjusting, would this make any  
>> difference for embedding the fonts?)
>
> font are always embedded but subsetted which is quite normal; the  
> only reason for full embedding is that they want to tweak your text  
> afterwards which is not what you want (given that they have the apps  
> to deal with it).
>
> protruding and adjusting is not related
>
> Hans
>
>
OK, I'll see if I can convince them...

Thanks Thomas
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Re: embed fonts

[Thomas A. Schmitz]

On Oct 16, 2009, at 2:16 PM, luigi scarso wrote:

> I work in a printer house so....
> Before full embedding
> you can try with these political  moves
> 1) "I give you all the fonts you need for free"
> 2) "I cannot completly embedd the fonts, because there are copyright  
> isuues"

OK, that sounds like a good strategy :-)

> After that ,
> did you already tried to do the same things in miv as  in mkii ?
>
> If they fails,
> then we must find a solution .

No, the mkii solution was on the level of the map-files (just use  
<<font.pfb instead of <font.pfb, and it will be fully embedded); that  
is not applicable to mkiv.

Thanks

Thomas
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Re: embed fonts

[luigi scarso]

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On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Thomas A. Schmitz <
thomas.schmitz@uni-bonn.de> wrote:



> If they fails,
>> then we must find a solution .
>>
>
> No, the mkii solution was on the level of the map-files (just use
> <<font.pfb instead of <font.pfb, and it will be fully embedded); that is not
> applicable to mkiv.
>
> so "houston, we have a problem here" .
I think we need  Taco , or go tthrough luatex-ref.pdf .

-- 
luigi

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Re: embed fonts

[Hans Hagen]

luigi scarso wrote:
> 
> 
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Thomas A. Schmitz 
> <thomas.schmitz@uni-bonn.de <mailto:thomas.schmitz@uni-bonn.de>> wrote:
> 
>  
> 
>         If they fails,
>         then we must find a solution .
> 
> 
>     No, the mkii solution was on the level of the map-files (just use
>     <<font.pfb instead of <font.pfb, and it will be fully embedded);
>     that is not applicable to mkiv.
> 
> so "houston, we have a problem here" .
> I think we need  Taco , or go tthrough luatex-ref.pdf .

it's no problem to provide that feature in mkiv, but i need some real 
string arguments as well as to be sure that i'll never be bothered by 
side effects of fonts not being in a pdf file

Hans

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Re: embed fonts

[luigi scarso]

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On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:

> luigi scarso wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Thomas A. Schmitz <
>> thomas.schmitz@uni-bonn.de <mailto:thomas.schmitz@uni-bonn.de>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>        If they fails,
>>        then we must find a solution .
>>
>>
>>    No, the mkii solution was on the level of the map-files (just use
>>    <<font.pfb instead of <font.pfb, and it will be fully embedded);
>>    that is not applicable to mkiv.
>>
>> so "houston, we have a problem here" .
>> I think we need  Taco , or go tthrough luatex-ref.pdf .
>>
>
>

> it's no problem to provide that feature in mkiv, but i need some real
> string arguments as well as to be sure that i'll never be bothered by side
> effects of fonts not being in a pdf file
>
Fonts not included can sometimes speeds up things when you are coding, but I
never use this feature -- too much dangerous.
I never used full inclusion too, but it's a prepress job (and yes, I have a
prepress office);
there is also ghostscript that does this kind of distiller stuffs.
Full inclusion can be useful, at least to cover the same feature of pdftex.
(my 1cent)

-- 
luigi

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Re: embed fonts

[Arthur Reutenauer]

> it's no problem to provide that feature in mkiv, but i need some real  
> string arguments as well as to be sure that i'll never be bothered by  
> side effects of fonts not being in a pdf file

  "arguments"
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Re: embed fonts

[luigi scarso]

On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 6:28 PM, Arthur Reutenauer
<arthur.reutenauer@normalesup.org> wrote:
>> it's no problem to provide that feature in mkiv, but i need some real
>> string arguments as well as to be sure that i'll never be bothered by
>> side effects of fonts not being in a pdf file
>
>  "arguments"
'arguments'
also,
but you have not demonstrated
that it's real .

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Re: embed fonts

[Arthur Reutenauer]

> but you have not demonstrated
> that it's real .

  "3.14159"
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Re: embed fonts

[luigi scarso]

On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:17 PM, Arthur Reutenauer
<arthur.reutenauer@normalesup.org> wrote:
>> but you have not demonstrated
>> that it's real .
>
>  "3.14159"
hm,
3.14159 is rational
and "3.14159" ∉ {'arguments', "arguments",...}
"""arguments""" ∈ {'arguments', "arguments",...}


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Re: embed fonts

[William Adams]

On Oct 16, 2009, at 11:21 AM, Hans Hagen wrote:

> it's no problem to provide that feature in mkiv, but i need some  
> real string arguments as well as to be sure that i'll never be  
> bothered by side effects of fonts not being in a pdf file


The argument to be able to fully include the font is that that's a  
requirement for many archiving standards.

It also allows for easier, cleaner assembly of a single document file  
from multiple files (all sub-files have compleat fonts, the merged  
file can then discard the dupes and if desired, sub-set at that point  
and there's only one sub-setted version of each font, 'stead of  
multiples as there would be if the fonts were sub-setted in the source  
files).

It also makes it possible to trouble-shoot for instances where font  
sub-setting may be causing difficulties (make a version w/ the font  
fully embedded / not sub-setted and see if that works instead).

The only negatives I've experienced to fully embedding fonts are:

  - bloats filesize (not an issue w/ today's equipment and 'net  
connections)
  - some font licenses don't allow it (so set it up so that this is  
determined when the font is installed an such can be dis-allowed where  
not supported by the fonts' license)

William

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Re: embed fonts

[R. Bastian]

Hello,
I send a little pdf made with Mk II and \setupbodyfont[sansserif, 10 pt]
to a friend. He could not read it.

Is there a way to control if the font has been embedded?




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Re: embed fonts

[Taco Hoekwater]

R. Bastian wrote:
> Hello,
> I send a little pdf made with Mk II and \setupbodyfont[sansserif, 10 pt]
> to a friend. He could not read it.
> 
> Is there a way to control if the font has been embedded?

That cannot be the problem. Is the pdf is unreadable, something
in your compilation process is wrong, and there should be some
hint in the log. It would help if you posted the input and/or
the log file.

Best wishes,
Taco

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Re: embed fonts

[R. Bastian]

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On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 10:32:41 +0200
Taco Hoekwater <taco@elvenkind.com> scribit:

> R. Bastian wrote:
> > Hello,
> > I send a little pdf made with Mk II and \setupbodyfont[sansserif, 10 pt]
> > to a friend. He could not read it.
> > 
> > Is there a way to control if the font has been embedded?
> 
> That cannot be the problem. Is the pdf is unreadable, something
> in your compilation process is wrong, and there should be some
> hint in the log. It would help if you posted the input and/or
> the log file.
> 
> Best wishes,
> Taco
> 
> ___________________________________________________________________________________

Here the source & log.

Is something wrong ?
Thnaks for your help.
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\setuphead[chapter][page=no, textstyle=cap, numberstyle=bold, after={\blank\hrule\blank}]
\setuphead[title][after={\blank\hrule\blank}]
\def\auteur#1{\hfill#1\blank}
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\setuphead[sujet][textstyle=bold]

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\starttext
\title[nmkk]{Neue Methoden der Klangkonstruktion}
\auteur{René Bastian -- 26.10.2009}

Betrachtet man die Landschaft der elektro-akustischen Musik in diesen
digitalen Zeiten, so kann man oder darf noch feststellen, dass sie
entweder brach liegt oder, dass sie, genauso wie immense
Landstriche, digital sterilisert wurde.  

Für Industrie \& Handel, hinter dem Vorwand von Europa \& Kultur,
ist das Ziel erreicht. Der Restbestand an Musikkritik ist so 
vor der Musik geflohen, dass die Landschaft der elektro-akustischen Musik
fast widerstandslos von Industrie \& Handel bewirtschaftet werden.
Auch wenn sich zur Zeit fast kein Gedankchen muckst, besteht die
Möglichkeit eines Widerstandes gegen diese Sterilisierung
in der Konjunktion von offener Algorithmik und 
experimenteller Musik.

Um die ontologische und gerontologische Entsorgung dieser
Ideologien zu vollziehen, heisst es zuerst die Grundlagen der
Digitalisierung mit ihrer impliziten Ideologie zu konfrontieren und
dann daraus der experimentellen Musik neue Wege vorzuschlagen.



  
\stoptext
{\it beste möglich Welt}
%Alles scheint bestens, wie auch der politische Butter.
%
%Im digitalen Umfeld sind neue Methoden der Klangkonstruktion
%gefragt. Dies ist nur möglich indem die Grundlagen der Digitalisierung
%mit ihrer impliziten Ideologie konfrontiert werden. TINA,
%{\it There Is No Alternative}, ist ein fester Bestandsteil dieser
%Ideologien. 

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Re: embed fonts

[Peter Rolf]

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R. Bastian schrieb:
> On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 10:32:41 +0200
> Taco Hoekwater <taco@elvenkind.com> scribit:
>
>   
>> R. Bastian wrote:
>>     
>>> Hello,
>>> I send a little pdf made with Mk II and \setupbodyfont[sansserif, 10 pt]
>>> to a friend. He could not read it.
>>>
>>> Is there a way to control if the font has been embedded?
>>>       
>> That cannot be the problem. Is the pdf is unreadable, something
>> in your compilation process is wrong, and there should be some
>> hint in the log. It would help if you posted the input and/or
>> the log file.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> Taco
>>
>> ___________________________________________________________________________________
>>     
>
> Here the source & log.
>
> Is something wrong ?
> Thnaks for your help.
>   
No problems here. Is there any reason not to use an uptodate context 
version?
In a few weeks your version is celebrating it's third birthday...

ConTeXt  ver: 2007.01.12 15:56 MKII  fmt: 2009.4.22  int: english/english

See
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/ConTeXt_Minimals

for the preferred method. Very simple installation and it works like a 
charm :)


Best wishes,  Peter

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Re: embed fonts

[Andreas Schneider]

On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 14:09:28 +0200
Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:

> font are always embedded but subsetted which is quite normal; the
> only reason for full embedding is that they want to tweak your text 
> afterwards which is not what you want (given that they have the apps
> to deal with it).
> 
> protruding and adjusting is not related
> 
> Hans


It might also be, that they want to comply with PDF/A ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDF/A

As far as I can tell, that seems to demand fully embedded fonts. As
inconvenient as it might be, it's at least an ISO standard :D


Regards,
Andreas.

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Re: embed fonts

[Hans Hagen]

Andreas Schneider wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 14:09:28 +0200
> Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:
> 
>> font are always embedded but subsetted which is quite normal; the
>> only reason for full embedding is that they want to tweak your text 
>> afterwards which is not what you want (given that they have the apps
>> to deal with it).
>>
>> protruding and adjusting is not related
>>
>> Hans
> 
> 
> It might also be, that they want to comply with PDF/A ...
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDF/A
> 
> As far as I can tell, that seems to demand fully embedded fonts. As
> inconvenient as it might be, it's at least an ISO standard :D

a slight complication (which as usual results in a few hours work) is 
that we need to trigger this pretty soon in a run and as such it can 
become only a commandline option

a next release will provide

--directives=fonts.embedall

but first i (read: taco) need to figure out why setting the embedding 
flag in a tfm table does not work out as expected

Hans

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Re: embed fonts

[Martin Schröder]

2009/10/16 Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl>:
> font are always embedded but subsetted which is quite normal; the only
> reason for full embedding is that they want to tweak your text afterwards
> which is not what you want (given that they have the apps to deal with it).

And full embedding may not be allowed by your font license.

Best
   Martin
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Re: embed fonts

[Martin Schröder]

2009/10/17 Andreas Schneider <aksdb@gmx.de>:
> As far as I can tell, that seems to demand fully embedded fonts. As

It doesn't. Subsets are allowed.

See also http://www.pdfa.org/doku.php?id=start:en

Best
    Martin
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Re: embed fonts

[R. Bastian]

On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 12:17:45 +0200
Peter Rolf <indiego@gmx.net> scribit:

> R. Bastian schrieb:
> > On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 10:32:41 +0200
> > Taco Hoekwater <taco@elvenkind.com> scribit:
> >
> >   
> >> R. Bastian wrote:
> >>     
> >>> Hello,
> >>> I send a little pdf made with Mk II and \setupbodyfont[sansserif, 10 pt]
> >>> to a friend. He could not read it.
> >>>
> >>> Is there a way to control if the font has been embedded?
> >>>       
> >> That cannot be the problem. Is the pdf is unreadable, something
> >> in your compilation process is wrong, and there should be some
> >> hint in the log. It would help if you posted the input and/or
> >> the log file.
> >>
> >> Best wishes,
> >> Taco
> >>
> >> ___________________________________________________________________________________
> >>     
> >
> > Here the source & log.
> >
> > Is something wrong ?
> > Thnaks for your help.
> >   
> No problems here. Is there any reason not to use an uptodate context 
> version?
> In a few weeks your version is celebrating it's third birthday...
> 
> ConTeXt  ver: 2007.01.12 15:56 MKII  fmt: 2009.4.22  int: english/english
> 
> See
> http://wiki.contextgarden.net/ConTeXt_Minimals
> 
> for the preferred method. Very simple installation and it works like a 
> charm :)

OK. 

- nothing is wrong
- but the pdf is not readable ...


> 
> 
> Best wishes,  Peter
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Re: embed fonts

[Taco Hoekwater]

>> No problems here. Is there any reason not to use an uptodate context 
>> version?
>> In a few weeks your version is celebrating it's third birthday...
>>
>> ConTeXt  ver: 2007.01.12 15:56 MKII  fmt: 2009.4.22  int: english/english
>>
>> See http://wiki.contextgarden.net/ConTeXt_Minimals
>>
>> for the preferred method. Very simple installation and it works like a 
>> charm :)
> 
> OK. 
> 
> - nothing is wrong
> - but the pdf is not readable ...

Can you expand a bit on 'not readable', please? Are you sure your friend
even has a program capable of pdf reading?

Best wishes,
Taco




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Re: embed fonts

[luigi scarso]

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On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 10:38 AM, R. Bastian <rbastian@free.fr> wrote:

> On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 12:17:45 +0200
> Peter Rolf <indiego@gmx.net> scribit:
>
> > R. Bastian schrieb:
> > > On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 10:32:41 +0200
> > > Taco Hoekwater <taco@elvenkind.com> scribit:
> > >
> > >
> > >> R. Bastian wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Hello,
> > >>> I send a little pdf made with Mk II and \setupbodyfont[sansserif, 10
> pt]
> > >>> to a friend. He could not read it.
>

can you send me it via private email ?
-- 
luigi

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Re: embed fonts

[R. Bastian]

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 10:40:54 +0200
Taco Hoekwater <taco@elvenkind.com> scribit:

> >> No problems here. Is there any reason not to use an uptodate context 
> >> version?
> >> In a few weeks your version is celebrating it's third birthday...
> >>
> >> ConTeXt  ver: 2007.01.12 15:56 MKII  fmt: 2009.4.22  int: english/english
> >>
> >> See http://wiki.contextgarden.net/ConTeXt_Minimals
> >>
> >> for the preferred method. Very simple installation and it works like a 
> >> charm :)
> > 
> > OK. 
> > 
> > - nothing is wrong
> > - but the pdf is not readable ...
> 
> Can you expand a bit on 'not readable', please? Are you sure your friend
> even has a program capable of pdf reading?


> 
> Best wishes,
> Taco

1. I wont go back to Latex
2. My friend edited my texts in Latex generated PDF forms since 2001
3. He is a Windows-user (I use Debian). Before seeing him (and his
computer ;-) next week, I would know how to diagnose (debug).
4. He said that it's the first time he cannot read a PDF text.
5. I wont go back to Latex ;-)

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Re: embed fonts

[Hans Hagen]

R. Bastian wrote:

> - nothing is wrong
> - but the pdf is not readable ...

a good test is pdftops (from the xpdf suite) as it will issue a proper 
message when something is wrong

ancient viewers might not support object compression

Hans


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Re: embed fonts

[R. Bastian]

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 13:16:09 +0200
Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> scribit:

> R. Bastian wrote:
> 
> > - nothing is wrong
> > - but the pdf is not readable ...
> 
> a good test is pdftops (from the xpdf suite) as it will issue a proper 
> message when something is wrong

Thanks !

On my 2 systems (Debian & Kubuntu) pdftops works fine - as xpdf. 
> 
> ancient viewers might not support object compression

It is possible that Stephan W. - who should read the pdf -  has an old viewer
on his Windows.

> 
> Hans
> 
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Re: embed fonts

[R. Bastian]

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 14:15:08 +0200
"R. Bastian" <rbastian@free.fr> scribit:

> On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 13:16:09 +0200
> Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> scribit:
> 
> > R. Bastian wrote:
> > 
> > > - nothing is wrong
> > > - but the pdf is not readable ...
> > 
> > a good test is pdftops (from the xpdf suite) as it will issue a proper 
> > message when something is wrong
> 
> Thanks !
> 
> On my 2 systems (Debian & Kubuntu) pdftops works fine - as xpdf. 
> > 
> > ancient viewers might not support object compression
> 
> It is possible that Stephan W. - who should read the pdf -  has an old viewer
> on his Windows.

His answer:
-------------------------------------------------------------
ich verwende den standard pdf reader adobe acrobat version 5
-------------------------------------------------------------
Too old or too new ? ;-)
> 
> > 
> > Hans
> > 
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Re: embed fonts

[Peter Rolf]

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R. Bastian schrieb:
> On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 14:15:08 +0200
> "R. Bastian" <rbastian@free.fr> scribit:
>
>   
>> On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 13:16:09 +0200
>> Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> scribit:
>>
>>     
>>> R. Bastian wrote:
>>>
>>>       
>>>> - nothing is wrong
>>>> - but the pdf is not readable ...
>>>>         
>>> a good test is pdftops (from the xpdf suite) as it will issue a proper 
>>> message when something is wrong
>>>       
>> Thanks !
>>
>> On my 2 systems (Debian & Kubuntu) pdftops works fine - as xpdf. 
>>     
>>> ancient viewers might not support object compression
>>>       
>> It is possible that Stephan W. - who should read the pdf -  has an old viewer
>> on his Windows.
>>     
>
> His answer:
> -------------------------------------------------------------
> ich verwende den standard pdf reader adobe acrobat version 5
> -------------------------------------------------------------
> Too old or too new ? ;-)
>   
donno exactly in which version of the pdf language object compression 
was introduced (1.4-1.5?). you can try to set

\pdfminorversion 4 % default is currently 5

in your test document and only features of pdf 1.4 are used (pdf version 
1.x needs at least reader version x+1).


>>> Hans
>>>
>>>
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Re: embed fonts

[Barry Schwartz]

Peter Rolf <indiego@gmx.net> skribis:
> donno exactly in which version of the pdf language object compression 
> was introduced (1.4-1.5?). you can try to set

I think cross reference streams are 1.5, because this issue arose for
me with fontforge, which needed conventional xref.

> 
> \pdfminorversion 4 % default is currently 5
> 
> in your test document and only features of pdf 1.4 are used (pdf version 
> 1.x needs at least reader version x+1).

Up until pdf 1.7, anyway.

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Re: embed fonts

[luigi scarso]

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On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:

> R. Bastian wrote:
>
>  - nothing is wrong
>> - but the pdf is not readable ...
>>
>
> a good test is pdftops (from the xpdf suite) as it will issue a proper
> message when something is wrong
>
> ancient viewers might not support object compression
>
acrobatreader 3.x 4.x 5.x
ftp://ftp.adobe.com/pub/adobe/acrobatreader

Reader 6.x 7.x 8.x 9.x
ftp://ftp.adobe.com/pub/adobe/reader


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Re: embed fonts

[Hans Hagen]

R. Bastian wrote:

> -------------------------------------------------------------
> ich verwende den standard pdf reader adobe acrobat version 5
> -------------------------------------------------------------
> Too old or too new ? ;-)

standard on what? it's pretty old

apart from object compression not being supported in version 5, 
succesive versions are much better so maybe updating makes sense

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Re: embed fonts

[luigi scarso]

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On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 12:48 AM, Martin Schröder <martin@oneiros.de> wrote:

> 2009/10/17 Andreas Schneider <aksdb@gmx.de>:
> > As far as I can tell, that seems to demand fully embedded fonts. As
>
> It doesn't. Subsets are allowed.
>
> See also http://www.pdfa.org/doku.php?id=start:en
>
> What about pdf/a and opentype ?

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Re: embed fonts

[Peter Rolf]

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luigi scarso schrieb:
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 12:48 AM, Martin Schröder <martin@oneiros.de 
> <mailto:martin@oneiros.de>> wrote:
>
>     2009/10/17 Andreas Schneider <aksdb@gmx.de <mailto:aksdb@gmx.de>>:
>     > As far as I can tell, that seems to demand fully embedded fonts. As
>
>     It doesn't. Subsets are allowed.
>
>     See also http://www.pdfa.org/doku.php?id=start:en
>
> What about pdf/a and opentype ?
>
see
http://www.pdfa.org/doku.php?id=pdfa:en:faq


          According to the PDF specification, OpenType fonts can only be
          embedded beginning with PDF version 1.6; PDF/A-1 requires PDF
          1.4. This would mean that PDF files with embedded OpenType
          fonts cannot be converted to PDF/A. Despite this, the
          conversion seems to have worked.

It is correct that OpenType fonts cannot be embedded in PDF/A files. 
However, OpenType fonts are often converted to another type (TrueType or 
Type1) when they are embedded, so creating a PDF/A file should usually 
not be a problem. If Acrobat 8 recognized the file that you converted to 
PDF/A as being compliant, then a conversion of the font type probably 
took place. You can verify the font type of embedded fonts using the 
Preflight verification report (Check box: “Show detailed information 
about document”, and then look under “Fonts”).


see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDF/A

A new part to the standard, ISO 19005, Part-2 (PDF/A-2), is currently 
being worked on by the Technical Committee. PDF/A-2 will address some of 
the new features added with versions 1.5, 1.6 and 1.7 of the PDF 
Reference. PDF/A-2 should be backwards compatible, i.e. all valid 
PDF/A-1 documents should also be compliant with PDF/A-2. However PDF/A-2 
compliant files will not necessarily be PDF/A-1 compliant.


The font type conversion in Acrobat is interesting. Anyhow, I never used 
PDF/A.

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