\setupmathematics[lcgreek=normal] problem with default font

\setupmathematics[lcgreek=normal] problem with default font

[Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky]

Hello,

BTW, after setting \setupmathematics[lcgreek=normal] with default TeX 
math font, all low case greek letters are disappeared :(

Vyatcheslav
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Re: \setupmathematics[lcgreek=normal] problem with default font

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Mon, 9 Nov 2009, Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky wrote:

> BTW, after setting \setupmathematics[lcgreek=normal] with default TeX math 
> font, all low case greek letters are disappeared :(

Hans, any idea why ConTeXt is looking for U+03B1 in font 
LMMath12-Regular rather than in LMRoman12-Regular?

Vyatcheslav, if you want upright greek letters, you should really consider 
using an opentype math font (cambria, asana, irianis ADF math).

Aditya
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Re: \setupmathematics[lcgreek=normal] problem with default font

[Khaled Hosny]

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On Mon, Nov 09, 2009 at 12:18:55PM -0500, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Nov 2009, Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky wrote:
>
> Vyatcheslav, if you want upright greek letters, you should really 
> consider using an opentype math font (cambria, asana, irianis ADF math).

Do Irianis ADF Math include MATH table? I just checked 1.005 version and
I see math glyphs but no MATH table.

Regards,
 Khaled


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Re: \setupmathematics[lcgreek=normal] problem with default font

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Mon, 9 Nov 2009, Khaled Hosny wrote:

> On Mon, Nov 09, 2009 at 12:18:55PM -0500, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
>> On Mon, 9 Nov 2009, Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky wrote:
>>
>> Vyatcheslav, if you want upright greek letters, you should really
>> consider using an opentype math font (cambria, asana, irianis ADF math).
>
> Do Irianis ADF Math include MATH table? I just checked 1.005 version and
> I see math glyphs but no MATH table.

The NOTICE file says that it does (but I don't even know how to check that 
in the font)

      RELEASE
 	1.000 - Initial release (June 2008)
 	1.001 - letterlike symbols and presentation symbols addition
 	1.002 - mathematic letter
 	1.003 - Math table addition
 	1.004 - Greek and Turkish, SansSerif and sript glyph addition in
 	the Mathematical Alphanumeric Symbols, kern by kerning class
 	1.005 - Math table completed with big variantes. Arrows glyhs set completed
 	with some dingbat ghyphs.


Aditya
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Re: \setupmathematics[lcgreek=normal] problem with default font

[luigi scarso]

On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 8:14 PM, Aditya Mahajan <adityam@umich.edu> wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Nov 2009, Khaled Hosny wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Nov 09, 2009 at 12:18:55PM -0500, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
>>>
>>> On Mon, 9 Nov 2009, Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky wrote:
>>>
>>> Vyatcheslav, if you want upright greek letters, you should really
>>> consider using an opentype math font (cambria, asana, irianis ADF math).
>>
>> Do Irianis ADF Math include MATH table? I just checked 1.005 version and
>> I see math glyphs but no MATH table.
>
> The NOTICE file says that it does (but I don't even know how to check that
> in the font)
fontforge ?
ttx ?


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Re: \setupmathematics[lcgreek=normal] problem with default font

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Mon, 9 Nov 2009, luigi scarso wrote:

> On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 8:14 PM, Aditya Mahajan <adityam@umich.edu> wrote:
>> The NOTICE file says that it does (but I don't even know how to check that
>> in the font)
> fontforge ?
> ttx ?

Let me rephrase. I am not motivated enough to learn how to check a MATH 
table in a font :)
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Re: \setupmathematics[lcgreek=normal] problem with default font

[luigi scarso]

On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 8:44 PM, Aditya Mahajan <adityam@umich.edu> wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Nov 2009, luigi scarso wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 8:14 PM, Aditya Mahajan <adityam@umich.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>> The NOTICE file says that it does (but I don't even know how to check
>>> that
>>> in the font)
>>
>> fontforge ?
>> ttx ?
>
> Let me rephrase. I am not motivated enough to learn how to check a MATH
> table in a font :)



# ttx -t MATH Asana-Math.otf
Dumping "Asana-Math.otf" to "Asana-Math.ttx"...
Dumping 'MATH' table...

# ttx -t MATH IrianisADFMath-Regular.otf
Dumping "IrianisADFMath-Regular.otf" to "IrianisADFMath-Regular#1.ttx"...
No 'MATH' table found.




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Re: \setupmathematics[lcgreek=normal] problem with default font

[Hans Hagen]

Aditya Mahajan wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Nov 2009, Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky wrote:
> 
>> BTW, after setting \setupmathematics[lcgreek=normal] with default TeX 
>> math font, all low case greek letters are disappeared :(
> 
> Hans, any idea why ConTeXt is looking for U+03B1 in font 
> LMMath12-Regular rather than in LMRoman12-Regular?
> 
> Vyatcheslav, if you want upright greek letters, you should really 
> consider using an opentype math font (cambria, asana, irianis ADF math).

we could (for the moment) map the lower range greek to italic (unless we 
have a matching font with upright)

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Re: \setupmathematics[lcgreek=normal] problem with default font

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Tue, 10 Nov 2009, Hans Hagen wrote:

> Aditya Mahajan wrote:
>> On Mon, 9 Nov 2009, Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky wrote:
>> 
>>> BTW, after setting \setupmathematics[lcgreek=normal] with default TeX math 
>>> font, all low case greek letters are disappeared :(
>> 
>> Hans, any idea why ConTeXt is looking for U+03B1 in font LMMath12-Regular 
>> rather than in LMRoman12-Regular?
>> 
>> Vyatcheslav, if you want upright greek letters, you should really consider 
>> using an opentype math font (cambria, asana, irianis ADF math).
>
> we could (for the moment) map the lower range greek to italic (unless we have 
> a matching font with upright)

I see. LM fonts do not have upright greek characters. In that case then 
lcgreek=normal should not be used.

Extra remappings can be tricky (we then should also be checking sans serif 
and bold fonts, and remapping them if the font is incomplete.

Aditya
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Re: \setupmathematics[lcgreek=normal] problem with default font

[Hans Hagen]

Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky wrote:
> Hello friends,
> 
> I look at the conversations on the list and begin feeling scared. I have 
> a serious project with very tough deadline and heavy use of math. Our 
> publishing department reject everything that does not meet their 
> standards. Initially, I relied upon to possibilities:
> 
> a) use standard LM fonts, but with upright greek
> 
> b) use Times (Termes) letters for math, but with italized Latin
> 
> Never thought that either could ever be a serious problem.
> 
> Does anybody control the situation? Or my hopes are delusive and my 
> project doomed?

as with all these font relate issues

keep in mind that the people involved in math support in mkiv (i.e. 
going unicode) already spent quite some time on it and matching unicode 
slots to whatevere font that might provided missing glyphs takes a lot 
of time; if you miss things, you can try to locate what matching fonts 
has it and provide us the information (mapping) so that we can look at 
it and possibly integrate it (also keep in mind that eventually we will 
have new lm and gyre math fonts so getting everything 100% complete now 
is not our main objective)

Hans

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Re: \setupmathematics[lcgreek=normal] problem with default font

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Wed, 11 Nov 2009, Mojca Miklavec wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 01:12, Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky wrote:
>> Hello friends,
>>
>> I look at the conversations on the list and begin feeling scared. I have a
>> serious project with very tough deadline and heavy use of math. Our
>> publishing department reject everything that does not meet their standards.
>> Initially, I relied upon to possibilities:
>>
>> a) use standard LM fonts, but with upright greek
>
> What do all the other LaTeX users do? Do you have link to any
> TeX-generated document as example?

You can also try creating a virtual math font that uses a text font that 
has upright greek letters (CM Unicode maybe). LM fonts don't have upright 
greek, so there is little that ConTeXt can do.

Aditya
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Re: \setupmathematics[lcgreek=normal] problem with default font

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 01:12, Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky wrote:
> Hello friends,
>
> I look at the conversations on the list and begin feeling scared. I have a
> serious project with very tough deadline and heavy use of math. Our
> publishing department reject everything that does not meet their standards.
> Initially, I relied upon to possibilities:
>
> a) use standard LM fonts, but with upright greek

What do all the other LaTeX users do? Do you have link to any
TeX-generated document as example?

> b) use Times (Termes) letters for math, but with italized Latin
>
> Never thought that either could ever be a serious problem.

Times math should work in mkii, but I don't know if you are able to
use it or not or if you really need some MKIV features.

You may try the font created by Khaled or Cambria Math. Fixing italic
latin letters in txmath should not be too difficult, but it
nevertheless takes some work and it's not ready yet.

Mojca
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Re: \setupmathematics[lcgreek=normal] problem with default font

[Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky]

Hello friends,

I look at the conversations on the list and begin feeling scared. I have 
a serious project with very tough deadline and heavy use of math. Our 
publishing department reject everything that does not meet their 
standards. Initially, I relied upon to possibilities:

a) use standard LM fonts, but with upright greek

b) use Times (Termes) letters for math, but with italized Latin

Never thought that either could ever be a serious problem.

Does anybody control the situation? Or my hopes are delusive and my 
project doomed?

P.S. This is really sad, no whimpering  :(

Regards,
Vyatcheslav


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Re: \setupmathematics[lcgreek=normal] problem with default font

[Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky]

Hello,
>
> Vyatcheslav, if you want upright greek letters, you should really 
> consider using an opentype math font (cambria, asana, irianis ADF math). 

Aditya, I'm trying to use math provided with Termes (don't know what 
math fonts are used). But the first thing I stuck is just the opposite 
-- I cannot get Latin letters italized. How I can setup this?

Vyatcheslav
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