Re: the meaning of cutspace

Re: the meaning of cutspace

[Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky]

Hello,
> Don't use both backspace and cutspace at the same time.

 From http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Layout:

backspace 	\backspace <javascript:show_command('backspace')> 	from left 
rim of paper to left rim of main text area


cutspace 	\cutspace <javascript:show_command('cutspace')> 	from right 
rim of paper to right rim of main text area


Either the description is wrong, or... the thoughts stop here :))

Regards,
Vyatcheslav
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Re: the meaning of cutspace

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Mon, 16 Nov 2009, Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky wrote:

> Hello,
>> Don't use both backspace and cutspace at the same time.
>
> From http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Layout:
>
> backspace 	\backspace <javascript:show_command('backspace')> 	from 
> left rim of paper to left rim of main text area
>
>
> cutspace 	\cutspace <javascript:show_command('cutspace')> 	from 
> right rim of paper to right rim of main text area
>
>
> Either the description is wrong, or... the thoughts stop here :))

\setuplayout[backspace=1.5cm, cutspace=5cm, width=middle]
\setuppagenumbering[alternative=doublesided]
\showframe
\starttext
\showlayout
\stoptext


I am using big space so that it is easy to see the difference.

Aditya
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Re: the meaning of cutspace

[Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky]

Hello Luigi,
> I'm not sure, but what about
> width=middle?
>    

Yes! It works!
I don't understand it; it's like another magic trick )

\setuppapersize [A5][A5]

\setuplayout[topspace=2cm, header=0cm, footer=0.6cm, bottomspace=2cm, 
height=fit,

backspace=1.5cm, cutspace=2cm,

width=middle]


@Taco: what's wrong with it then?

Regards,
Vyatcheslav


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Re: the meaning of cutspace

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 16.11.2009 um 21:48 schrieb Aditya Mahajan:

> \setuplayout[backspace=1.5cm, cutspace=5cm, width=middle]
> \setuppagenumbering[alternative=doublesided]
> \showframe
> \starttext
> \showlayout
> \stoptext
> 
> I am using big space so that it is easy to see the difference.

Another old example from me but i wonder if the output from your example is correct,
when i set 'width=middle' i expect the same margin on both sides (i.e. the backspace
setting) and the cutspace value is ignored.

\definelayout[1][backspace=4cm,width=12cm]
\definelayout[2][backspace=5cm,cutspace=7cm,width=fit]
\definelayout[3][backspace=3cm,width=middle]

\showframe

\starttext

\dorecurse{3}
  {\starttabulate
   \NC backspace \EQ \PtToCm\backspace \NC\NR
   \NC textwidth \EQ \PtToCm\textwidth \NC\NR
   \NC cutspace  \EQ \PtToCm\cutspace  \NC\NR
   \stoptabulate
   \page}

\stoptext

Wolfgang

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Re: the meaning of cutspace

[Taco Hoekwater]

Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky wrote:
> Hello Luigi,
>> I'm not sure, but what about
>> width=middle?
>>    
> 
> Yes! It works!
> I don't understand it; it's like another magic trick )
> 
> \setuppapersize [A5][A5]
> 
> \setuplayout[topspace=2cm, header=0cm, footer=0.6cm, bottomspace=2cm, 
> height=fit,
> 
> backspace=1.5cm, cutspace=2cm,
> 
> width=middle]
> 
> 
> @Taco: what's wrong with it then?

Never mind, I was confused (never use width=middle myself)

Best wishes,
Taco
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Re: the meaning of cutspace

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 16.11.2009 um 22:29 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster:

> 
> Am 16.11.2009 um 21:48 schrieb Aditya Mahajan:
> 
>> \setuplayout[backspace=1.5cm, cutspace=5cm, width=middle]
>> \setuppagenumbering[alternative=doublesided]
>> \showframe
>> \starttext
>> \showlayout
>> \stoptext
>> 
>> I am using big space so that it is easy to see the difference.
> 
> Another old example from me but i wonder if the output from your example is correct,
> when i set 'width=middle' i expect the same margin on both sides (i.e. the backspace
> setting) and the cutspace value is ignored.

After reading the source 'width=middle' make sense, when both backspace and cutspace
are set the width of the textarea is 'paperwidth - backspace - cutspace' but when
cutspace is set to 0pt the textarea is 'paperwidth - 2*backspace'.

Wolfgang

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Re: the meaning of cutspace

[Peter Münster]

On Mon, 16 Nov 2009, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

> After reading the source 'width=middle' make sense, when both backspace
> and cutspace
> are set the width of the textarea is 'paperwidth - backspace - cutspace'
> but when
> cutspace is set to 0pt the textarea is 'paperwidth - 2*backspace'.

Hello Wolfgang,

I'm sorry, I still don't understand...  When width=middle adjusts the width
to "paperwidth - backspace - cutspace", what should width=fit then do?
What does "middle" mean, in the middle of *what*?

I suggest, that specifying backspace + cutspace + width=middle should
output an error or warning, and backspace + cutspace + width=fit should do
it right...

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Re: the meaning of cutspace

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 17.11.2009 um 11:40 schrieb Peter Münster:

> I'm sorry, I still don't understand...  When width=middle adjusts the width
> to "paperwidth - backspace - cutspace", what should width=fit then do?
> What does "middle" mean, in the middle of *what*?
> 
> I suggest, that specifying backspace + cutspace + width=middle should
> output an error or warning, and backspace + cutspace + width=fit should do
> it right...

The first thing context does is to check the value of width:
(the width of the textarea is stored in \makeupwidth, not \textwidth)

1. width=middle

if cutspace=0pt then cutspace=backspace endif

makeupwidth = paperwidth - backspace - cutspace


2. width=fit

when i look at the source i don't know if anyone want this setting because
very complicated and the calculation is

makeupwidth = paperwidth - (backspace - leftmargin - leftmargindistance - leftedge - ...) - (cutspace - rightmargin - ...)


3. width=<dimen>

makeupwidth = <dimen>


Example:

\definelayout[1][backspace=4cm,width=12cm]
\definelayout[2][backspace=5cm,cutspace=7cm,width=middle]
\definelayout[3][backspace=3cm,cutspace=0pt,width=middle]
\definelayout[4][backspace=4cm,width=fit]
\definelayout[5][backspace=4cm,leftmargin=3cm,width=fit]
\definelayout[6][backspace=4cm,leftmargin=4cm,width=fit]
\definelayout[7][backspace=4cm,leftmargin=2cm,width=fit]
\definelayout[8][backspace=4cm,leftmargin=2cm,rightmargin=3cm,width=fit]
\definelayout[9][backspace=4cm,leftmargin=2cm,rightmargin=4cm,width=fit]
\definelayout[10][backspace=4cm,leftmargin=2cm,rightmargin=2cm,width=fit]

\showframe

\starttext

\dorecurse{10}
  {\starttabulate
   \NC backspace \EQ \PtToCm\backspace \NC\NR
   \NC textwidth \EQ \PtToCm\textwidth \NC\NR
   \NC cutspace  \EQ \PtToCm\cutspace  \NC\NR
   \stoptabulate
   \page}

\stoptext

Wolfgang

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Re: the meaning of cutspace

[luigi scarso]

> The first thing context does is to check the value of width:
> (the width of the textarea is stored in \makeupwidth, not \textwidth)
>
> 1. width=middle
>
> if cutspace=0pt then cutspace=backspace endif
>
> makeupwidth = paperwidth - backspace - cutspace
>
>
> 2. width=fit
>
> when i look at the source i don't know if anyone want this setting because
> very complicated and the calculation is
>
> makeupwidth = paperwidth - (backspace - leftmargin - leftmargindistance - leftedge - ...) - (cutspace - rightmargin - ...)
>
>
> 3. width=<dimen>
>
> makeupwidth = <dimen>
>
>
> Example:
>
> \definelayout[1][backspace=4cm,width=12cm]
> \definelayout[2][backspace=5cm,cutspace=7cm,width=middle]
> \definelayout[3][backspace=3cm,cutspace=0pt,width=middle]
> \definelayout[4][backspace=4cm,width=fit]
> \definelayout[5][backspace=4cm,leftmargin=3cm,width=fit]
> \definelayout[6][backspace=4cm,leftmargin=4cm,width=fit]
> \definelayout[7][backspace=4cm,leftmargin=2cm,width=fit]
> \definelayout[8][backspace=4cm,leftmargin=2cm,rightmargin=3cm,width=fit]
> \definelayout[9][backspace=4cm,leftmargin=2cm,rightmargin=4cm,width=fit]
> \definelayout[10][backspace=4cm,leftmargin=2cm,rightmargin=2cm,width=fit]
>
> \showframe
>
> \starttext
>
> \dorecurse{10}
>  {\starttabulate
>   \NC backspace \EQ \PtToCm\backspace \NC\NR
>   \NC textwidth \EQ \PtToCm\textwidth \NC\NR
>   \NC cutspace  \EQ \PtToCm\cutspace  \NC\NR
>   \stoptabulate
>   \page}
>
> \stoptext
>
> Wolfgang

to  wikify ... where ?

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Re: the meaning of cutspace

[Taco Hoekwater]

luigi scarso wrote:
> 
> to  wikify ... where ?

  http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Layout ?

Best wishes,
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Re: the meaning of cutspace

[luigi scarso]

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Taco Hoekwater <taco@elvenkind.com> wrote:
>
>  http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Layout ?

OK, I will wait until this evening and  then I will do it .


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Re: the meaning of cutspace

[luigi scarso]

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Taco Hoekwater <taco@elvenkind.com> wrote:
>
>
> luigi scarso wrote:
>>
>> to  wikify ... where ?
>
>  http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Layout ?
done


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Re: the meaning of cutspace

[Peter Münster]

On Mon, 16 Nov 2009, Peter Münster wrote:

> Working example:
> 
> \setuplayout[leftmargin=1cm, rightmargin=1.5cm,
>   leftmargindistance=2mm, rightmargindistance=2mm,
>   backspace=1.5cm, cutspace=2cm, width=fit]

I'm sorry, Taco is right. There is indeed a problem here...

Instead of "cutspace=2cm, width=fit" you could write
"width=\dimexpr \paperwidth - 35mm \relax".

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Re: the meaning of cutspace

[Peter Münster]

On Mon, 16 Nov 2009, Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky wrote:

> I need to set up 1.5cm/2cm page borders.
> 
> Backspace in layout setup gives me expected result (distance from page to the
> text). According to the wiki, cutspace should do the same for opposite side of
> the page, but it doesnt. So, I cannot get the meaning of cutspace.
> 
> \setuplayout[topspace=2cm, header=0cm, footer=0.6cm, bottomspace=2cm,
> height=fit,
> %leftmargin=1.5cm, rightmargin=2cm,
> backspace=1.5cm, cutspace=2cm, width=fit]

Hello Vyatcheslav,

You must be sure, that leftmargin + leftmargindistance <= backspace
and rightmargin + rightmargindistance <= cutspace.

Working example:

\setuplayout[leftmargin=1cm, rightmargin=1.5cm,
  leftmargindistance=2mm, rightmargindistance=2mm,
  backspace=1.5cm, cutspace=2cm, width=fit]

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Re: the meaning of cutspace

[Taco Hoekwater]

luigi scarso wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky
> <yatskovsky@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I need to set up 1.5cm/2cm page borders.
>>
>> Backspace in layout setup gives me expected result (distance from page to
>> the text). According to the wiki, cutspace should do the same for opposite
>> side of the page, but it doesnt. So, I cannot get the meaning of cutspace.
>>
>> \setuplayout[topspace=2cm, header=0cm, footer=0.6cm, bottomspace=2cm,
>> height=fit,
>>
>> %leftmargin=1.5cm, rightmargin=2cm,
>>
>> backspace=1.5cm, cutspace=2cm, width=fit]

Don't use both backspace and cutspace at the same time.

Best wishes,
Taco
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Re: the meaning of cutspace

[luigi scarso]

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky
<yatskovsky@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I need to set up 1.5cm/2cm page borders.
>
> Backspace in layout setup gives me expected result (distance from page to
> the text). According to the wiki, cutspace should do the same for opposite
> side of the page, but it doesnt. So, I cannot get the meaning of cutspace.
>
> \setuplayout[topspace=2cm, header=0cm, footer=0.6cm, bottomspace=2cm,
> height=fit,
>
> %leftmargin=1.5cm, rightmargin=2cm,
>
> backspace=1.5cm, cutspace=2cm, width=fit]
>
> \setuppagenumbering[location={footer,middle}, alternative=doublesided,
> style=\tfx]
>
> \showlayout\showsetups\showframe
>
> \bye
I'm not sure, but what about
width=middle
?

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the meaning of cutspace

[Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky]

Hello,

I need to set up 1.5cm/2cm page borders.

Backspace in layout setup gives me expected result (distance from page 
to the text). According to the wiki, cutspace should do the same for 
opposite side of the page, but it doesnt. So, I cannot get the meaning 
of cutspace.

\setuplayout[topspace=2cm, header=0cm, footer=0.6cm, bottomspace=2cm, 
height=fit,

%leftmargin=1.5cm, rightmargin=2cm,

backspace=1.5cm, cutspace=2cm, width=fit]

\setuppagenumbering[location={footer,middle}, alternative=doublesided, 
style=\tfx]

\showlayout\showsetups\showframe

\bye


Regards,
Vyatcheslav
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