Pstricks and Asymptote

Pstricks and Asymptote

[curiouslearn]

I apologize if this has been asked before, but would appreciate if anyone could
answer this again.

(a) Is there an easy way to incorporate asymptote code in a Context document,
like there exists in Latex. In latex you can include it between
\begin{asy}

\end{asy}
   

(b) Is there an easy way to incorporate pstricks code in a Context document. If
there is, does that way work both with MKII and MKIV or only with one of them. 

The reason I am asking is that eventually all the new Context features will be
in MKIV. I want to know what graphics packages I can use with it other than
Metapost.
   
Thanks.

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Re: Pstricks and Asymptote

[Thomas A. Schmitz]

On Nov 16, 2009, at 3:12 PM, curiouslearn wrote:

> I apologize if this has been asked before, but would appreciate if  
> anyone could
> answer this again.
>
> (a) Is there an easy way to incorporate asymptote code in a Context  
> document,
> like there exists in Latex. In latex you can include it between
> \begin{asy}
>
> \end{asy}
>

There was a discussion about asymptote on this list in the summer,  
Mojca has done quite a lot of work towards integrating it. But I'm not  
sure what the current state is.

> (b) Is there an easy way to incorporate pstricks code in a Context  
> document. If
> there is, does that way work both with MKII and MKIV or only with  
> one of them.
>
There's a module pstricks. Again, a search in the list archives would  
have shown that.

> The reason I am asking is that eventually all the new Context  
> features will be
> in MKIV. I want to know what graphics packages I can use with it  
> other than
> Metapost.
>
> Thanks.

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Re: Pstricks and Asymptote

[luigi scarso]

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 3:12 PM, curiouslearn <curiouslearn@gmail.com> wrote:

> The reason I am asking is that eventually all the new Context features will be
> in MKIV. I want to know what graphics packages I can use with it other than
> Metapost.
I have some ideas about pstricks (pst-lens)  luatex lunatic and mkiv via libgs,
but not this year, maybe for eurotex2010  (or maybe never) .
The same for asy, if it will become a library .

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Re: Pstricks and Asymptote

[Alan BRASLAU]

On Monday 16 November 2009 15:29:14 Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
> On Nov 16, 2009, at 3:12 PM, curiouslearn wrote:
> > I apologize if this has been asked before, but would appreciate if
> > anyone could
> > answer this again.
> >
> > (a) Is there an easy way to incorporate asymptote code in a Context
> > document,
> > like there exists in Latex. In latex you can include it between
> > \begin{asy}
> >
> > \end{asy}
> 
> There was a discussion about asymptote on this list in the summer,
> Mojca has done quite a lot of work towards integrating it. But I'm not
> sure what the current state is.
> 
> > (b) Is there an easy way to incorporate pstricks code in a Context
> > document. If
> > there is, does that way work both with MKII and MKIV or only with
> > one of them.
> 
> There's a module pstricks. Again, a search in the list archives would
> have shown that.
> 
> > The reason I am asking is that eventually all the new Context
> > features will be
> > in MKIV. I want to know what graphics packages I can use with it
> > other than
> > Metapost.
> >
> > Thanks.

In addition, there is a module tikz, integrating pgf/tikz, also maintained by 
Mojca.

Alan
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Re: Pstricks and Asymptote

[Curiouslearn]

Thanks everyone for replying.

Mojca, in case you read this, can you please let me know what the
status on asymptote is.

Alan, the tikz module does not work with MKIV. From what I have read
before, it seems it will not unless the creator of tikz makes some
changes to tikz package so that it works with Context. I am not sure
how likely that is.

Thomas or someone else can you please confirm that the pstricks module
works with MKIV. Also, where I can find the module? It is not there
with the other third party modules.

Thanks.

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Alan BRASLAU <alan.braslau@cea.fr> wrote:
> On Monday 16 November 2009 15:29:14 Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
>> On Nov 16, 2009, at 3:12 PM, curiouslearn wrote:
>> > I apologize if this has been asked before, but would appreciate if
>> > anyone could
>> > answer this again.
>> >
>> > (a) Is there an easy way to incorporate asymptote code in a Context
>> > document,
>> > like there exists in Latex. In latex you can include it between
>> > \begin{asy}
>> >
>> > \end{asy}
>>
>> There was a discussion about asymptote on this list in the summer,
>> Mojca has done quite a lot of work towards integrating it. But I'm not
>> sure what the current state is.
>>
>> > (b) Is there an easy way to incorporate pstricks code in a Context
>> > document. If
>> > there is, does that way work both with MKII and MKIV or only with
>> > one of them.
>>
>> There's a module pstricks. Again, a search in the list archives would
>> have shown that.
>>
>> > The reason I am asking is that eventually all the new Context
>> > features will be
>> > in MKIV. I want to know what graphics packages I can use with it
>> > other than
>> > Metapost.
>> >
>> > Thanks.
>
> In addition, there is a module tikz, integrating pgf/tikz, also maintained by
> Mojca.
>
> Alan
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Re: Pstricks and Asymptote

[Alan BRASLAU]

On Monday 16 November 2009 23:57:28 Curiouslearn wrote:
> Thanks everyone for replying.
> 
> Alan, the tikz module does not work with MKIV. From what I have read
> before, it seems it will not unless the creator of tikz makes some
> changes to tikz package so that it works with Context. I am not sure
> how likely that is.
> 

I know that tikz is (currently) not working under mkiv, but I choose to ignore 
this as I expect that this will be fixed. I have not been concerned with this, 
as I no longer actively use tikz. Indeed, since learning (and still learning) 
metapost, I find it far superior: cleaner syntax, much more powerful... Tikz 
is/was a very welcome addition to laTeX, but metapost, whose syntax is more 
closely related to plain TeX, is more coherent with ConTeXt. So I now find the 
syntax of tikz uncomfortable under ConTeXt.

I still sometimes use LaTeX for the submission of articles to scientific 
journals (in particular using RevTeX), but I now use ConTeXt 
(\startTEXpage\stopTEXpage) to make the figures (that must be submitted as 
separate files in any case).

Alan

P.S. What I really liked about tikz is the quality of its documentation, in 
particular the tutorial that is very clear. The documentation for metapost 
(and metafun) is very good, but not so easy. *We* need to write a good 
tutorial!
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Re: Pstricks and Asymptote

[Curiouslearn]

I tried Metapost last year for a few graphs and liked the fact that it
is tightly integrated with Context. I found John Hobby's document a
good place to learn it and then used Hans' Metafun to learn further.
The reason I am looking at Asymptote and pstricks is because they have
libraries or functionality which Metapost lacks. For example, the tree
drawing library in pstricks. If Metapost has such a library I don't
know since I cannot find any document that explains the new things
added to Metapost other than what is mentioned in Metafun(2001). As
you said documentation is lacking.
Similarly, Asymptote allows one to find intersection points of any two
paths (even nonlinear paths). I am not sure whether Metapost can do
that.

I keep reading that Taco is working on development of Metapost.
However, I am not sure what exactly has changed. If there is any new
documentation, I would love to read it.

Thanks.

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 2:13 AM, Alan BRASLAU <alan.braslau@cea.fr> wrote:
> On Monday 16 November 2009 23:57:28 Curiouslearn wrote:
>> Thanks everyone for replying.
>>
>> Alan, the tikz module does not work with MKIV. From what I have read
>> before, it seems it will not unless the creator of tikz makes some
>> changes to tikz package so that it works with Context. I am not sure
>> how likely that is.
>>
>
> I know that tikz is (currently) not working under mkiv, but I choose to ignore
> this as I expect that this will be fixed. I have not been concerned with this,
> as I no longer actively use tikz. Indeed, since learning (and still learning)
> metapost, I find it far superior: cleaner syntax, much more powerful... Tikz
> is/was a very welcome addition to laTeX, but metapost, whose syntax is more
> closely related to plain TeX, is more coherent with ConTeXt. So I now find the
> syntax of tikz uncomfortable under ConTeXt.
>
> I still sometimes use LaTeX for the submission of articles to scientific
> journals (in particular using RevTeX), but I now use ConTeXt
> (\startTEXpage\stopTEXpage) to make the figures (that must be submitted as
> separate files in any case).
>
> Alan
>
> P.S. What I really liked about tikz is the quality of its documentation, in
> particular the tutorial that is very clear. The documentation for metapost
> (and metafun) is very good, but not so easy. *We* need to write a good
> tutorial!
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Re: Pstricks and Asymptote

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

2009/11/17 Curiouslearn <curiouslearn@gmail.com>:
> The reason I am looking at Asymptote and pstricks is because they have
> libraries or functionality which Metapost lacks. For example, the tree
> drawing library in pstricks. If Metapost has such a library I don't
> know since I cannot find any document that explains the new things
> added to Metapost other than what is mentioned in Metafun(2001). As
> you said documentation is lacking.

Google for "metapost tree", and you'll find at least this:
http://www.isi.edu/~chiang/software/texmf/texmf.html

Don't know it it works, I don't use MetaPost myself.

Greetlings, Hraban
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Re: Pstricks and Asymptote

[Curiouslearn]

Thanks, Hraban.

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 8:55 AM, Henning Hraban Ramm <hraban@fiee.net> wrote:
> 2009/11/17 Curiouslearn <curiouslearn@gmail.com>:
>> The reason I am looking at Asymptote and pstricks is because they have
>> libraries or functionality which Metapost lacks. For example, the tree
>> drawing library in pstricks. If Metapost has such a library I don't
>> know since I cannot find any document that explains the new things
>> added to Metapost other than what is mentioned in Metafun(2001). As
>> you said documentation is lacking.
>
> Google for "metapost tree", and you'll find at least this:
> http://www.isi.edu/~chiang/software/texmf/texmf.html
>
> Don't know it it works, I don't use MetaPost myself.
>
> Greetlings, Hraban
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Re: Pstricks and Asymptote

[luigi scarso]

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Curiouslearn <curiouslearn@gmail.com> wrote:

Also I like them :
google search
Metapost metaobj
Metapost metagraph
Metapost UML
Metapost melusine


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Re: Pstricks and Asymptote

[Alan BRASLAU]

On Tuesday 17 November 2009 14:40:04 Curiouslearn wrote:
> I tried Metapost last year for a few graphs and liked the fact that it
> is tightly integrated with Context. I found John Hobby's document a
> good place to learn it and then used Hans' Metafun to learn further.
> The reason I am looking at Asymptote and pstricks is because they have
> libraries or functionality which Metapost lacks. For example, the tree
> drawing library in pstricks. If Metapost has such a library I don't
> know since I cannot find any document that explains the new things
> added to Metapost other than what is mentioned in Metafun(2001). As
> you said documentation is lacking.

pgf/tikz has a nice tree building function.
pgfplots is a fairly evolved and active data plotting package.


Concerning metapost,
graph.mp is pretty powerful, but is missing some functionality.
piechartmp is also available (although I never use pie charts!)
featpost and mp3d give some nice, basic, 3d capability.
metagraph, metaobj, ...

It would be interesting to see a good tree drawing macro package
under metapost; I have yet to take the time to see what is out there.

The ConTeXt community (and via the minimals distribution) can keep
this active... So much to do!

Alan
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Re: Pstricks and Asymptote

[luigi scarso]

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Alan BRASLAU <alan.braslau@cea.fr> wrote:

> The ConTeXt community (and via the minimals distribution) can keep
> this active... So much to do!

yes, true: for example
metaobj is in the minimals

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Re: Pstricks and Asymptote

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Mon, 16 Nov 2009, Curiouslearn wrote:

> Mojca, in case you read this, can you please let me know what the
> status on asymptote is.

I am not Mojca, but I'll comment on this anyways :)

I looked into integrating asymptote this summer (spent around a month 
going to asymptote macro code). Asymptote works fine with mkiv, if you use 
asymptote in a stand alone mode. Getting asymptote to run within context 
is easy or extremely difficult; depending on how you look at it.

If one wants to set everything the asymptote way, and simply want

\startASYcode
...
\stopASYcode

to copy its content to its file, create a asymptote figure and insert it 
in context, that is easy. You just need to tweak three lines of m-r.tex 
and you are done (m-r.tex is around 15 lines only). But that means that 
the user is responsible for setting all the fonts on his own (using 
asymptote syntax).

To be at par with metapost, we should have \startASYenvironment to set the 
fonts, \startASYinclusions to define macros, and then \startASYcode to 
create figures; maybe also have \defineASYgraphic (need to set 
OverlayWidth etc.) and \defineASYreusablegraphic. Ideally, we should also 
have the equivalent of \sometxt, but after going through asymptote code, I 
gave up on that (establishing a two way communication between asymptote and 
context is difficult).

Most of the above is easy (in terms of implementation); but one needs to 
understand asymptote and context to implement them. I did not completely 
understand the low level asymptote code, so after a while, integrating 
asymptote got low on my priorities. Maybe someone else should look at it 
seriously.

Aditya
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Re: Pstricks and Asymptote

[Hans Hagen]

luigi scarso wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Curiouslearn <curiouslearn@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Also I like them :
> google search
> Metapost metaobj
> Metapost metagraph
> Metapost UML
> Metapost melusine

fyi:

you can define extra mp instances in order avoid clashes:

\defineMPinstance[whatever1][format=metafun,extensions=yes,initializations=yes]
\defineMPinstance[whatever2][format=mpost]

\startMPdefinitions{whatever1}
input metaobj;
\stopMPdefinitions

\startuseMPgraphic{whatevere1::mygraphic}
.....

should work


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Re: Pstricks and Asymptote

[luigi scarso]

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:
> fyi:
>
> you can define extra mp instances in order avoid clashes:
>
> \defineMPinstance[whatever1][format=metafun,extensions=yes,initializations=yes]
> \defineMPinstance[whatever2][format=mpost]
>
> \startMPdefinitions{whatever1}
> input metaobj;
> \stopMPdefinitions
>
> \startuseMPgraphic{whatevere1::mygraphic}
Is there something for luatex too ?


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Re: Pstricks and Asymptote

[Hans Hagen]

luigi scarso wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:
>> fyi:
>>
>> you can define extra mp instances in order avoid clashes:
>>
>> \defineMPinstance[whatever1][format=metafun,extensions=yes,initializations=yes]
>> \defineMPinstance[whatever2][format=mpost]
>>
>> \startMPdefinitions{whatever1}
>> input metaobj;
>> \stopMPdefinitions
>>
>> \startuseMPgraphic{whatevere1::mygraphic}
> Is there something for luatex too ?

eh .. this is for mkiv

Hans


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Re: Pstricks and Asymptote

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 23:57, Curiouslearn wrote:
> Thanks everyone for replying.
>
> Mojca, in case you read this, can you please let me know what the
> status on asymptote is.

I read it***, but I already forgot what the state was. I had to find
the thread where I suggested a few changes, but the main people
involved were Michail and Aditya. (Those who knew what was going on
behind the scenes.)

(***I ofter skip threads where no "hot" keywords appear in subject.
You can CC me if you don't get any answer from me for some reasonable
time.)

From what I remember (Michail, please correct me if I'm wrong) and
apart from what Aditya wrote:
- you can always use standalone asymptote files to generate figures,
for example:

settings.tex="context";
texpreamble("\usetypescript[iwona]");
texpreamble("\usetypescript[antykwa-torunska]");
label("$A$",0,N,font("iwona"));
label("$A$",0,S,font("antykwa")+red);

- Aditya described the integrated graphics (\startASY ... \stopASY)
pretty well - in a quick-and-dirty way it can be done easily, but more
difficult to do it properly. If it would help you a lot to have a
quick-and-dirty solution for that, let us know. Now that TeX Live
includes asymptote it is much easier for everyone to test it.

- Michail was working on 3D support (that is making 3D text out of tex
labels), but I have no idea what the status of that is.

> Alan, the tikz module does not work with MKIV. From what I have read
> before, it seems it will not unless the creator of tikz makes some
> changes to tikz package so that it works with Context. I am not sure
> how likely that is.

In past Till has *always* fixed any bug reported, but I have not heard
from him since March (neither as reply to off-list requests nor any
response to the mailing list).

> Thomas or someone else can you please confirm that the pstricks module
> works with MKIV. Also, where I can find the module? It is not there
> with the other third party modules.

It's part of ConTeXt core, but the problem is that one needs a
separate TeX run (PSTricks only works with tex->dvips->ps2pdf and that
is awfully slow). I cannot tell you if it works with mkiv - probably
not, but I can only tell you that the number of users is limiting
towards zero and with that number of users you are almost on your own.
I would say that tikz is much better in almost any respect, but then
... I have no idea why Till has been so silent for such a long time.

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Re: Pstricks and Asymptote

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 15:12, curiouslearn wrote:
>
> The reason I am asking is that eventually all the new Context features will be
> in MKIV. I want to know what graphics packages I can use with it other than
> Metapost.

Answering that question alone: I would go with TikZ. You are free to
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quick-and-dirty(-and-not-too-fast) support can be implemented easily.

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Re: Pstricks and Asymptote

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 17:57, Mojca Miklavec wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 15:12, curiouslearn wrote:
>>
>> The reason I am asking is that eventually all the new Context features will be
>> in MKIV. I want to know what graphics packages I can use with it other than
>> Metapost.
>
> Answering that question alone: I would go with TikZ. You are free to
> use Asymptote whenever other packages don't satisfy your needs. A
> quick-and-dirty(-and-not-too-fast) support can be implemented easily.

I just forgot to add: MKIV is currently broken in TL 2009 and
asymptote is not part of minimals (yet). In both cases I guess that
I'm the one to blame for both. I'll be on "health leave" (skipping
work) for the next 7-10 days, so you should better hurry up if you
need anything :) :) :)

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Re: Pstricks and Asymptote

[luigi scarso]

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 6:01 PM, Mojca Miklavec
<mojca.miklavec.lists@gmail.com> wrote:

> I just forgot to add: MKIV is currently broken in TL 2009
AFAIK it was not a strict target, and anyway I see no problem

> and asymptote is not part of minimals (yet).
nothing against asy, but maybe we don't need it in minimals

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Re: Pstricks and Asymptote

[Hans Hagen]

Mojca Miklavec wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 15:12, curiouslearn wrote:
>> The reason I am asking is that eventually all the new Context features will be
>> in MKIV. I want to know what graphics packages I can use with it other than
>> Metapost.
> 
> Answering that question alone: I would go with TikZ. You are free to
> use Asymptote whenever other packages don't satisfy your needs. A
> quick-and-dirty(-and-not-too-fast) support can be implemented easily.

als, even if tikz might have problems with mkiv now (probaly only 
special colors) it has always been shippd with proper context support 
which is important

as aditya pointed out, asymptote has some hard wired assumptions and 
does not integrate well with context

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Re: Pstricks and Asymptote

[Hans Hagen]

Mojca Miklavec wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 17:57, Mojca Miklavec wrote:
>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 15:12, curiouslearn wrote:
>>> The reason I am asking is that eventually all the new Context features will be
>>> in MKIV. I want to know what graphics packages I can use with it other than
>>> Metapost.
>> Answering that question alone: I would go with TikZ. You are free to
>> use Asymptote whenever other packages don't satisfy your needs. A
>> quick-and-dirty(-and-not-too-fast) support can be implemented easily.
> 
> I just forgot to add: MKIV is currently broken in TL 2009 and
> asymptote is not part of minimals (yet). In both cases I guess that
> I'm the one to blame for both. I'll be on "health leave" (skipping
> work) for the next 7-10 days, so you should better hurry up if you
> need anything :) :) :)

hey, you're not to blame for tex live .. that's just because tl was 
frozen already long ago


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Re: Pstricks and Asymptote

[Hans Hagen]

Mojca Miklavec wrote:

> In past Till has *always* fixed any bug reported, but I have not heard
> from him since March (neither as reply to off-list requests nor any
> response to the mailing list).
> 
>> Thomas or someone else can you please confirm that the pstricks module
>> works with MKIV. Also, where I can find the module? It is not there
>> with the other third party modules.

if i'd know where to search i could fix it ... has to do with adding 
resources to the pdf

does all tikz graphics fail?

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Re: Pstricks and Asymptote

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 18:25, Hans Hagen wrote:
> Mojca Miklavec wrote:
>
>> In past Till has *always* fixed any bug reported, but I have not heard
>> from him since March (neither as reply to off-list requests nor any
>> response to the mailing list).
>
> if i'd know where to search i could fix it ... has to do with adding
> resources to the pdf

tex/generic/pgf/utilities/pgfutil-context.def (and pgfutil-common.def)

> does all tikz graphics fail?

Yes.

Close-to-minimal-example (the really minimal examyle is just loading
the module):

\usemodule[tikz]
\starttext
\starttikzpicture
\fill[gray] (1,1) rectangle +(1,1);
\stoptikzpicture
\stoptext


! Undefined control sequence.
\pgfutil@addpdfresource@colorspaces ...olorspaces
                                                  {#1}
l.396 ...rspaces{ /pgfprgb [/Pattern /DeviceRGB] }

?

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Re: Pstricks and Asymptote

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 18:22, Hans Hagen wrote:
> Mojca Miklavec wrote:
>>
>> I just forgot to add: MKIV is currently broken in TL 2009 and
>> asymptote is not part of minimals (yet). In both cases I guess that
>> I'm the one to blame for both. I'll be on "health leave" (skipping
>> work) for the next 7-10 days, so you should better hurry up if you
>> need anything :) :) :)
>
> hey, you're not to blame for tex live .. that's just because tl was frozen
> already long ago

I'm to blame for not setting up the ConTeXt-specific TL repository yet
(for which Norbert has written the code twice already).

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Re: Pstricks and Asymptote

[Curiouslearn]

Thanks to all who made some suggestions about where I can find
Metapost libraries. Will look into those.

It seems Asymptote + Tikz  is a good way to go and also try out Metapost again.

Mojca, you  said that number of pstricks users are decreasing. Is this
amongst Context users, or in general amongst all users who use
pstricks. If the overall number of users is decreasing then perhaps I
don't want to spend time learning it as it won't have new features in
the future. I don't like its syntax, though it can do neat things.
Asymptote syntax is really good.

Thanks again.


On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Mojca Miklavec
<mojca.miklavec.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 18:22, Hans Hagen wrote:
>> Mojca Miklavec wrote:
>>>
>>> I just forgot to add: MKIV is currently broken in TL 2009 and
>>> asymptote is not part of minimals (yet). In both cases I guess that
>>> I'm the one to blame for both. I'll be on "health leave" (skipping
>>> work) for the next 7-10 days, so you should better hurry up if you
>>> need anything :) :) :)
>>
>> hey, you're not to blame for tex live .. that's just because tl was frozen
>> already long ago
>
> I'm to blame for not setting up the ConTeXt-specific TL repository yet
> (for which Norbert has written the code twice already).
>
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Re: Pstricks and Asymptote

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 20:35, Curiouslearn wrote:
> Thanks to all who made some suggestions about where I can find
> Metapost libraries. Will look into those.
>
> It seems Asymptote + Tikz  is a good way to go and also try out Metapost again.
>
> Mojca, you  said that number of pstricks users are decreasing.

I didn't say that it's decreasing. I just said that it's really low,
but I meant ConTeXt users with that. There are still plenty LaTeX
users around.

The main problem is that PS Tricks cannot be very well integrated
unless one uses tex->dvips, but ConTeXt doesn't use that for ages and
there is basically no support for dvi in ConTeXt either.

> Is this
> amongst Context users, or in general amongst all users who use
> pstricks. If the overall number of users is decreasing then perhaps I
> don't want to spend time learning it as it won't have new features in
> the future. I don't like its syntax, though it can do neat things.

Are there any "neat features" that you won't to do, but cannot do with
TikZ? (I'm sure there are some, but I'm also sure that 99% of drawings
can be done in a very similar way in TikZ as well unless there is a
well-developed PSTricks library around that's missing in TikZ.)

Asymptote is very similar to MetaPost. The main reason why I would
want to use it is to draw 3D, else I would go for MetaPost since it's
much faster and better integrated when used within ConTeXt.

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Re: Pstricks and Asymptote

[Curiouslearn]

I think I should give Metapost a try. There are two reasons, I tried
out asymptote
(i) Its syntax seems easier to remember
(ii) It can find intersections of curves (not only straight lines)
quite easily.

Can Metapost do the second? Anyhow, I am going to give it a try again
to see if I like it.

Thanks.

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Mojca Miklavec
<mojca.miklavec.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 20:35, Curiouslearn wrote:
>> Thanks to all who made some suggestions about where I can find
>> Metapost libraries. Will look into those.
>>
>> It seems Asymptote + Tikz  is a good way to go and also try out Metapost again.
>>
>> Mojca, you  said that number of pstricks users are decreasing.
>
> I didn't say that it's decreasing. I just said that it's really low,
> but I meant ConTeXt users with that. There are still plenty LaTeX
> users around.
>
> The main problem is that PS Tricks cannot be very well integrated
> unless one uses tex->dvips, but ConTeXt doesn't use that for ages and
> there is basically no support for dvi in ConTeXt either.
>
>> Is this
>> amongst Context users, or in general amongst all users who use
>> pstricks. If the overall number of users is decreasing then perhaps I
>> don't want to spend time learning it as it won't have new features in
>> the future. I don't like its syntax, though it can do neat things.
>
> Are there any "neat features" that you won't to do, but cannot do with
> TikZ? (I'm sure there are some, but I'm also sure that 99% of drawings
> can be done in a very similar way in TikZ as well unless there is a
> well-developed PSTricks library around that's missing in TikZ.)
>
> Asymptote is very similar to MetaPost. The main reason why I would
> want to use it is to draw 3D, else I would go for MetaPost since it's
> much faster and better integrated when used within ConTeXt.
>
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Re: Pstricks and Asymptote

[Hans Hagen]

Curiouslearn wrote:
> I think I should give Metapost a try. There are two reasons, I tried
> out asymptote
> (i) Its syntax seems easier to remember
> (ii) It can find intersections of curves (not only straight lines)
> quite easily.

mp can do intersections and future versions of mp might provide new 
functionality as well

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Re: Pstricks and Asymptote

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 17.11.2009 um 18:25 schrieb Hans Hagen:

>>> Thomas or someone else can you please confirm that the pstricks module
>>> works with MKIV. Also, where I can find the module? It is not there
>>> with the other third party modules.
> 
> if i'd know where to search i could fix it ... has to do with adding resources to the pdf

http://tug.org/mailman/htdig/macostex-archives/2009-April/040222.html

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Re: Pstricks and Asymptote

[Hans Hagen]

Mojca Miklavec wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 18:25, Hans Hagen wrote:
>> Mojca Miklavec wrote:
>>
>>> In past Till has *always* fixed any bug reported, but I have not heard
>>> from him since March (neither as reply to off-list requests nor any
>>> response to the mailing list).
>> if i'd know where to search i could fix it ... has to do with adding
>> resources to the pdf
> 
> tex/generic/pgf/utilities/pgfutil-context.def (and pgfutil-common.def)
> 
>> does all tikz graphics fail?
> 
> Yes.
> 
> Close-to-minimal-example (the really minimal examyle is just loading
> the module):
> 
> \usemodule[tikz]
> \starttext
> \starttikzpicture
> \fill[gray] (1,1) rectangle +(1,1);
> \stoptikzpicture
> \stoptext

hm, this one works here without error using the tiks modules from tex live

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Re: Pstricks and Asymptote

[luigi scarso]

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 11:57 PM, Curiouslearn <curiouslearn@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thomas or someone else can you please confirm that the pstricks module
> works with MKIV. Also, where I can find the module? It is not there
> with the other third party modules.
Also note that mkiv  uses mkii
for pstricks,
and there can be some differences
when merging files maded with mkiv and mkii

For example

 %%test-mkiv-mkii
\starttext
\input tufte
\stoptext


#context test-mkiv-mkii; mv test-mkiv-mkii a.pdf
#texexec test-mkiv-mkii; mv test-mkiv-mkii b.pdf
#pdftoppm a.pdf a
#pdftoppm b.pdf b

# md5sum a-1.ppm
ded3f4ae6f9d6e1ab50aeb0898ad6434  a-1.ppm

# md5sum b-1.ppm
0e27ab9da925df55335ca144c015a5bd  b-1.ppm


a.pdf and b.pdf are "identical" when printed on my desktop laser printer;
xpdf shows them differences;
acroread show some differences too, but they depend from zoom factor.


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Re: Pstricks and Asymptote

[Alan BRASLAU]

On Wednesday 18 November 2009 14:45:57 Hans Hagen wrote:
> Mojca Miklavec wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 18:25, Hans Hagen wrote:
> >> Mojca Miklavec wrote:
> >>> In past Till has *always* fixed any bug reported, but I have not heard
> >>> from him since March (neither as reply to off-list requests nor any
> >>> response to the mailing list).
> >>
> >> if i'd know where to search i could fix it ... has to do with adding
> >> resources to the pdf
> >
> > tex/generic/pgf/utilities/pgfutil-context.def (and pgfutil-common.def)
> >
> >> does all tikz graphics fail?
> >
> > Yes.
> >
> > Close-to-minimal-example (the really minimal examyle is just loading
> > the module):
> >
> > \usemodule[tikz]
> > \starttext
> > \starttikzpicture
> > \fill[gray] (1,1) rectangle +(1,1);
> > \stoptikzpicture
> > \stoptext
> 
> hm, this one works here without error using the tiks modules from tex live

There are lots of differences between the latest tikz
and the version distributed with tex live.
I compare the minimals tex/generic/pgf/
with that installed under /usr/share/texmf (pgf v.2.00-1 debian 7 May 2008).
I suppose that the minimals use a more recent svn version.

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[luigi scarso]

On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 5:10 PM, Alan BRASLAU <alan.braslau@cea.fr> wrote:


> There are lots of differences between the latest tikz
> and the version distributed with tex live.
> I compare the minimals tex/generic/pgf/
> with that installed under /usr/share/texmf (pgf v.2.00-1 debian 7 May 2008).
> I suppose that the minimals use a more recent svn version.

# find minimals-beta -name "*pgf*"

The result is an empty string on my minimals, ie no pgf on minimals.


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[Alan BRASLAU]

On Wednesday 18 November 2009 17:19:13 luigi scarso wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 5:10 PM, Alan BRASLAU <alan.braslau@cea.fr> wrote:
> > There are lots of differences between the latest tikz
> > and the version distributed with tex live.
> > I compare the minimals tex/generic/pgf/
> > with that installed under /usr/share/texmf (pgf v.2.00-1 debian 7 May
> > 2008). I suppose that the minimals use a more recent svn version.
> 
> # find minimals-beta -name "*pgf*"
> 
> The result is an empty string on my minimals, ie no pgf on minimals.
> 

./first-setup.sh --extras=all

find . -name '*pgf*' -print
./tex/texmf-context/scripts/pgfplots
./tex/texmf-context/scripts/pgfplots/pgf2pdf.sh
./tex/texmf-context/scripts/pgfplots/matlab2pgfplots.sh
./tex/texmf-context/scripts/pgfplots/matlab2pgfplots.m
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Re: Pstricks and Asymptote

[luigi scarso]

On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 6:08 PM, Alan BRASLAU <alan.braslau@cea.fr> wrote:
> On Wednesday 18 November 2009 17:19:13 luigi scarso wrote:
>> On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 5:10 PM, Alan BRASLAU <alan.braslau@cea.fr> wrote:
>> > There are lots of differences between the latest tikz
>> > and the version distributed with tex live.
>> > I compare the minimals tex/generic/pgf/
>> > with that installed under /usr/share/texmf (pgf v.2.00-1 debian 7 May
>> > 2008). I suppose that the minimals use a more recent svn version.
>>
>> # find minimals-beta -name "*pgf*"
>>
>> The result is an empty string on my minimals, ie no pgf on minimals.
>>
>
> ./first-setup.sh --extras=all
Ah yes,  with extras. True, sorry;
I  forget everytime to say that I don't use extras -- I have a sort of
strict minimals-beta,
just
# ./first-setup.sh
(minimum bandwidth)
No problem: every time I see some (of what I suppose) inconsistence
with my minimals on my linux box
I write, just to be sure.


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Re: Pstricks and Asymptote

[Peter Münster]

On Wed, 18 Nov 2009, luigi scarso wrote:

> # find minimals-beta -name "*pgf*"
> 
> The result is an empty string on my minimals, ie no pgf on minimals.

Hello Luigi,

You can add the option "--extras=all" to first-setup.sh to get all the
contributed modules.

Cheers, Peter

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Re: Pstricks and Asymptote

[luigi scarso]

On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 5:10 PM, Alan BRASLAU <alan.braslau@cea.fr> wrote:

> There are lots of differences between the latest tikz
> and the version distributed with tex live.
> I compare the minimals tex/generic/pgf/
> with that installed under /usr/share/texmf (pgf v.2.00-1 debian 7 May 2008).
> I suppose that the minimals use a more recent svn version.
>
yes it looks so.
minimals ChangeLog should be Revision 1.363
http://pgf.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pgf/pgf/doc/generic/pgf/ChangeLog?view=log


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Re: Pstricks and Asymptote

[luigi scarso]

On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:
> hm, this one works here without error using the tiks modules from tex live
context http://wiki.contextgarden.net/TikZ
fails with
! Undefined control sequence.
\pgfutil@addpdfresource@colorspaces ...olorspaces
                                                  {#1}
l.396 ...rspaces{ /pgfprgb [/Pattern /DeviceRGB] }

pdf is readable, anyway.
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Re: Pstricks and Asymptote

[Hans Hagen]

luigi scarso wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 5:10 PM, Alan BRASLAU <alan.braslau@cea.fr> wrote:
> 
>> There are lots of differences between the latest tikz
>> and the version distributed with tex live.
>> I compare the minimals tex/generic/pgf/
>> with that installed under /usr/share/texmf (pgf v.2.00-1 debian 7 May 2008).
>> I suppose that the minimals use a more recent svn version.
>>
> yes it looks so.
> minimals ChangeLog should be Revision 1.363
> http://pgf.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pgf/pgf/doc/generic/pgf/ChangeLog?view=log

i sent mojca a patched pgf file so it's in her hands now

Hans


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Re: Pstricks and Asymptote

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 21:49, Hans Hagen wrote:
> luigi scarso wrote:
>> On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 5:10 PM, Alan BRASLAU wrote:
>>
>>> There are lots of differences between the latest tikz
>>> and the version distributed with tex live.
>>> I compare the minimals tex/generic/pgf/
>>> with that installed under /usr/share/texmf (pgf v.2.00-1 debian 7 May
>>> 2008).
>>> I suppose that the minimals use a more recent svn version.
>>>
>> yes it looks so.
>> minimals ChangeLog should be Revision 1.363
>>
>> http://pgf.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pgf/pgf/doc/generic/pgf/ChangeLog?view=log

It is being updated daily on the garden.

> i sent mojca a patched pgf file so it's in her hands now

I forwarded it to Till and the other most active developer (who does
not dare to patch anything before Till Tantau checks it). I did some
tests and it seems to work (I found a few problems, but they were
there already before).

If there will be no reply for the next couple of days, you may remind
me and I'll freeze updates of TikZ and patch the version in minimals.
(I don't like patching official versions too much, so I'll wait for a
few more days if Till replies.)

Mojca
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