From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/37868 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?windows-1252?Q?Maur=ED=ADcio?= Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: TeX ligatures in XeTeX/LuaTeX: ``who needs them''? Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:24:40 -0200 Message-ID: References: <6faad9f00712081404h160264b4h1802480d1140f32a@mail.gmail.com> <475CFBA8.6060009@wxs.nl> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1197289648 27769 80.91.229.12 (10 Dec 2007 12:27:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 12:27:28 +0000 (UTC) To: ntg-context@ntg.nl Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Mon Dec 10 13:27:38 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1J1hjU-0001WL-Kw for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:27:36 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1EDD1FC11; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:27:18 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21732-08-13; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:26:43 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id E67E11FB71; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:26:42 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A9C21FB30 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:26:42 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 25108-02-9 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:26:11 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AA941FB71 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:25:00 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1J1hgk-0004xZ-Ch for ntg-context@ntg.nl; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 12:24:46 +0000 Original-Received: from 201.20.229.230.user.ajato.com.br ([201.20.229.230]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 12:24:46 +0000 Original-Received: from briqueabraque by 201.20.229.230.user.ajato.com.br with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 12:24:46 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 40 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 201.20.229.230.user.ajato.com.br User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071022) In-Reply-To: <475CFBA8.6060009@wxs.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:37868 Archived-At: >> > Hello, >> > >> > just wondering: how many ConTeXt-ers >> > depend on ligatures such as: >> > '' (double quote) and '' (two single quotes) -> right double quote >> > `` -> left double quote >> > ,, -> DOUBLE LOW-9 QUOTATION MARK >> > (...) >> >> You got replies from experienced users, so >> I thought you could use an answer from a >> begginer; there are many of us out there! >> (...) > actually, what is called ligatures here, > are no ligatures in the real sense; they > are tricks that use the tex ligature > mechanism to achieve something (the fi > ligature came out of f + i written in > sequence but nobody in the past ever wrore, > by pen, three -'s separated by a small > space in a row, it's was just a longer > rule) (...) I see. I also read somewhere that some font mechanisms (OpenType?) also handle what is called ligatures by themselves, is that true? What about math mode? I've not used it that much, does it also have such kind of 'pseudo-ligatures'? I read that what I use in my keyboard to type minus (-) is actually just ascii minus/hyphen, but in Unicode there's an actual minus symbol (U+2212). Does that needs special handling? The ligature trick could not be used here, I imagine. Thanks, Maur=EDcio ___________________________________________________________________________= ________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to t= he Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-cont= ext webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________= ________