Bibliography: printing just Single Author et al.

Bibliography: printing just Single Author et al.

[Mojca Miklavec]

Hi,

When citing articles with five authors I prefer to list all of them,
but in some articles with one hundred authors I would prefer just "J.
Someone et al." since listing five more co-authors doesn't add
anything substantial to the information.

Is there any trick that would allow liming the number of listed
authors on per-article basis? Simply specifying
    author = "Just Someone et al.",
?

(MkIV, experimental reimplementation.)

Thank you,
    Mojca
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Re: Bibliography: printing just Single Author et al.

[Csikos Bela]

Mojca Miklavec írta:
>Hi,
>
>When citing articles with five authors I prefer to list all of them,
>but in some articles with one hundred authors I would prefer just "J.
>Someone et al." since listing five more co-authors doesn't add
>anything substantial to the information.
>
>Is there any trick that would allow liming the number of listed
>authors on per-article basis? Simply specifying
>    author = "Just Someone et al.",

It's not clear what you want exactly. That is, how many rules do you want regarding
number of authors?

I don't know how ConTeXt handes author numbers. But in normal bibtex this is generally
implemented as max authors and min authors (naturally it depends on the bst file you use).
If the total number of authors is less than or equal to max authors, all author names are listed.
If total number of authors is more than max authors, min authors are listed followed by et al.
By adjusting the bst file you can change every single details.

An example: if you set max number to 7 and min number to 3, then in case of 7 or less
authors all are listed, in case of 8 or more the first 3 are listed followed by et al.

Would these two rules fit your requirements? Or do you want a third rule (in additon to the
above rules) for very high number of authors, when only the very first author is listed?

In this case you have to edit the bst file as well. What makes it harder ConTeXt has special bst files and you have to edit those bst files.

If you have only a few article like this, the easiest solution might be to edit the bib file, and change the author field to what you want in the output.

This is a real shortcoming of ConTeXt bibliography generating mechanism. To customize
it you have to be able to edit bst files and be very familiar with ConTeXt bibliography
generating module, and TeX programming might be required too.

>(MkIV, experimental reimplementation.)

I dont't know about this, what I wrote above applies to normal MkIV (and I guess to MkII
too). I have no idea if this experimental reimplementation uses other bibliographics
mechanism.

bcsikos
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Re: Bibliography: printing just Single Author et al.

[Csikos Bela]

Mojca Miklavec írta:
>Hi,
>
>When citing articles with five authors I prefer to list all of them,
>but in some articles with one hundred authors I would prefer just "J.
>Someone et al." since listing five more co-authors doesn't add
>anything substantial to the information.
>
>Is there any trick that would allow liming the number of listed
>authors on per-article basis? Simply specifying
>    author = "Just Someone et al.",
>?
>
>(MkIV, experimental reimplementation.)

I checked the bibmod-doc manual. According to it the author numbers can be set by
authoretallimit, editoretallimit, artauthoretallimit, authoretaldisplay, editoretaldisplay,
artauthoretaldisplay. Don't they work for you? It works for me if I change them in
the corresponding bibl-style.tex file. In the document alternative=style as:

\setuppublications[alternative=style]

bcsikos


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Re: Bibliography: printing just Single Author et al.

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 2:29 PM, Csikos Bela wrote:
> Mojca Miklavec írta:
>>Hi,
>>
>>When citing articles with five authors I prefer to list all of them,
>>but in some articles with one hundred authors I would prefer just "J.
>>Someone et al." since listing five more co-authors doesn't add
>>anything substantial to the information.
>>
>>Is there any trick that would allow liming the number of listed
>>authors on per-article basis? Simply specifying
>>    author = "Just Someone et al.",
>
> It's not clear what you want exactly. That is, how many rules do you want regarding
> number of authors?
>
> I don't know how ConTeXt handes author numbers. But in normal bibtex this is generally
> implemented as max authors and min authors (naturally it depends on the bst file you use).
> If the total number of authors is less than or equal to max authors, all author names are listed.
> If total number of authors is more than max authors, min authors are listed followed by et al.
> By adjusting the bst file you can change every single details.
>
> An example: if you set max number to 7 and min number to 3, then in case of 7 or less
> authors all are listed, in case of 8 or more the first 3 are listed followed by et al.
>
> Would these two rules fit your requirements? Or do you want a third rule (in additon to the
> above rules) for very high number of authors, when only the very first author is listed?

Oh, interesting. I wasn't aware of that rule. I thought that in case
of "more than n" authors, the first n would be printed.

I was thinking of a rule "if I specify something special on this
particular entry, then print one author et al." (without me having to
bother to actually try to include all the hundred names if I know in
advance that none of them would be printed anyway), but a rule like
"if more than N, then print just one" would most probably work for me.

How does one set that lower number?

> In this case you have to edit the bst file as well. What makes it harder ConTeXt has special bst files and you have to edit those bst files.
>
> If you have only a few article like this, the easiest solution might be to edit the bib file, and change the author field to what you want in the output.
>
> This is a real shortcoming of ConTeXt bibliography generating mechanism. To customize
> it you have to be able to edit bst files and be very familiar with ConTeXt bibliography
> generating module, and TeX programming might be required too.

No, configuration of bibliographies in ConTeXt does not (and should
not) require knowledge of bst files. I always managed to get around
with some relatively straightforward settings and commands.

Mojca
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Re: Bibliography: printing just Single Author et al.

[Csikos Bela]

Mojca Miklavec írta:
>On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 2:29 PM, Csikos Bela wrote:
>> Mojca Miklavec írta:
>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>When citing articles with five authors I prefer to list all of them,
>>>but in some articles with one hundred authors I would prefer just "J.
>>>Someone et al." since listing five more co-authors doesn't add
>>>anything substantial to the information.
>>>
>>>Is there any trick that would allow liming the number of listed
>>>authors on per-article basis? Simply specifying
>>>    author = "Just Someone et al.",
>>
>> It's not clear what you want exactly. That is, how many rules do you want regarding
>> number of authors?
>>
>> I don't know how ConTeXt handes author numbers. But in normal bibtex this is generally
>> implemented as max authors and min authors (naturally it depends on the bst file you use).
>> If the total number of authors is less than or equal to max authors, all author names are listed.
>> If total number of authors is more than max authors, min authors are listed followed by et al.
>> By adjusting the bst file you can change every single details.
>>
>> An example: if you set max number to 7 and min number to 3, then in case of 7 or less
>> authors all are listed, in case of 8 or more the first 3 are listed followed by et al.
>>
>> Would these two rules fit your requirements? Or do you want a third rule (in additon to the
>> above rules) for very high number of authors, when only the very first author is listed?
>
>Oh, interesting. I wasn't aware of that rule. I thought that in case
>of "more than n" authors, the first n would be printed.
>
>I was thinking of a rule "if I specify something special on this
>particular entry, then print one author et al." (without me having to
>bother to actually try to include all the hundred names if I know in
>advance that none of them would be printed anyway), but a rule like
>"if more than N, then print just one" would most probably work for me.
>
>How does one set that lower number?

See my other answer too.
You set authoretallimit=6 % Up to six authors all author are listed
You might need to set artauthoretallimit=6 too.
You set authoretaldisplay=1 % if there are more tnan 6 authors only one is listed
You might need to set artauthoretaldisplay=1.

>> In this case you have to edit the bst file as well. What makes it harder ConTeXt has special bst files and you have to edit those bst files.
>>
>> If you have only a few article like this, the easiest solution might be to edit the bib file, and change the author field to what you want in the output.
>>
>> This is a real shortcoming of ConTeXt bibliography generating mechanism. To customize
>> it you have to be able to edit bst files and be very familiar with ConTeXt bibliography
>> generating module, and TeX programming might be required too.
>
>No, configuration of bibliographies in ConTeXt does not (and should
>not) require knowledge of bst files. I always managed to get around
>with some relatively straightforward settings and commands.

If you want to remove dots after the initials or remove the space between initials you have to. If you want to modify what is inserted into the bbl file you have to.

bcsikos
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Re: Bibliography: printing just Single Author et al.

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 4:13 PM, Csikos Bela wrote:
> Mojca Miklavec írta:
>>
>>No, configuration of bibliographies in ConTeXt does not (and should
>>not) require knowledge of bst files. I always managed to get around
>>with some relatively straightforward settings and commands.
>
> If you want to remove dots after the initials or remove the space between initials you have to. If you want to modify what is inserted into the bbl file you have to.

ConTeXt has at least three different mechanisms to deal with
bibliographies by now (one is actually using BibTeX, one is using pure
ConTeXt setups for new entries, the third one is new/unstable and
allows entries in "arbitrary" format). From what I understand at least
the last two approaches circumvent BibTeX completely, so bst files are
not used at all.

I admit that I never tried to change spacing or remove the dots after
initials, but I would be surprised if doing that would require
fiddling with bst. I always controlled how a specific entry is
represented (when I wanted modifications) by a relatively readable
ConTeXt setup, but others should comment about specifics.

Mojca
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Re: Bibliography: printing just Single Author et al.

[Robert Blackstone]

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On 7 May 2015, at 12:00 , Mojca Miklavec <mojca.miklavec.lists@gmail.com>
> 
> Is there any trick that would allow liming the number of listed
> authors on per-article basis? Simply specifying
>    author = "Just Someone et al.",
> ?
> 
> (MkIV, experimental reimplementation.)

Hello Mojca,
The trick that I would use, in fact the procedure that I always use, is not to use bib-files but to separately generate the bbl-file and input that.
ConTeXt uses the .bbl, and once you have that you can tweak it in (almost) any way you like. You could if necessary, make two or more versions of the same publication, for instance in a footnote “Just Someone et al.” and in the Bibliography the complete list of Authors of that publication.
For my Bibliographic data I even needed three versions of each entry, one with authorname, to use your example, “Someone, Just” in the Bibliography, “Just Someone” for footnotes, the first occurrence, and “Someone” with a short book- or article title for all susequent occurrences.
No problem when you use the .bbl. Obviously the different versions should have (slightly) diiferent cite-keys.
(And take care not to input the .bib-file, since each time you process the thing a fresh .bbl is created wiping out all your modifications.)

I hope it solves your problem.

Best regards,

Robert Blackstone


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