PDF Custom Page Numbering

PDF Custom Page Numbering

[Andreas Schneider]

Hello,

while reading through the PDF to ISO-9075-1 (SQL99), I noticed something I 
had never seen before in a PDF: the page numbers displayed by Acrobat 
matched exactly the ones in the document ... the beginning was even numbered 
with roman numbers and the actual content started again at "Page 1". From a 
quick research it seems that this functionality is in PDF since Acrobat 4 
(that should be PDF 1.3, right?) and is most likely called "Custom Page 
Numbering". It would be amazing if ConTeXt/LuaTeX supports that too - 
especially if you produce documents for screen reading.

Unfortunately I don't have access to the PDF Specification currently to give 
you more info - so I don't even know for sure how that feature is officially 
called.

Anyway, I hope that idea/suggestion/wish finds positive reactions ... and I 
somehow hope that it isn't actually too hard to implement :-)

Best Regards,
Andreas.

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Re: PDF Custom Page Numbering

[Hartmut Henkel]

On Wed, 9 Jun 2010, Andreas Schneider wrote:

> while reading through the PDF to ISO-9075-1 (SQL99), I noticed
> something I had never seen before in a PDF: the page numbers displayed
> by Acrobat matched exactly the ones in the document ... the beginning
> was even numbered with roman numbers and the actual content started
> again at "Page 1". From a quick research it seems that this
> functionality is in PDF since Acrobat 4 (that should be PDF 1.3,
> right?) and is most likely called "Custom Page Numbering". It would be
> amazing if ConTeXt/LuaTeX supports that too - especially if you
> produce documents for screen reading.
>
> Unfortunately I don't have access to the PDF Specification currently
> to give you more info - so I don't even know for sure how that feature
> is officially called.
>
> Anyway, I hope that idea/suggestion/wish finds positive reactions ...
> and I somehow hope that it isn't actually too hard to implement :-)

it's named "Page Labels" (never seen before, thanks for the pointer), in
the PDF Reference 5th ed. it's in section 8.3.1, the example 8.3 there
typed into \pdfcatalog{} works right away, so no luatex engine
modification needed.

Regards, Hartmut
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Re: PDF Custom Page Numbering

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Wed, 9 Jun 2010, Hartmut Henkel wrote:

> On Wed, 9 Jun 2010, Andreas Schneider wrote:
>
>> while reading through the PDF to ISO-9075-1 (SQL99), I noticed
>> something I had never seen before in a PDF: the page numbers displayed
>> by Acrobat matched exactly the ones in the document ... the beginning
>> was even numbered with roman numbers and the actual content started
>> again at "Page 1". From a quick research it seems that this
>> functionality is in PDF since Acrobat 4 (that should be PDF 1.3,
>> right?) and is most likely called "Custom Page Numbering". It would be
>> amazing if ConTeXt/LuaTeX supports that too - especially if you
>> produce documents for screen reading.
>>
>> Unfortunately I don't have access to the PDF Specification currently
>> to give you more info - so I don't even know for sure how that feature
>> is officially called.
>>
>> Anyway, I hope that idea/suggestion/wish finds positive reactions ...
>> and I somehow hope that it isn't actually too hard to implement :-)
>
> it's named "Page Labels" (never seen before, thanks for the pointer), in
> the PDF Reference 5th ed. it's in section 8.3.1, the example 8.3 there
> typed into \pdfcatalog{} works right away, so no luatex engine
> modification needed.

IIRC, the hyperref package in LaTeX supports this. I do not know if there 
is a direct ConTeXt support.

Aditya
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Re: PDF Custom Page Numbering

[Zhichu Chen]

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On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 12:35 PM, Aditya Mahajan <adityam@umich.edu> wrote:

> On Wed, 9 Jun 2010, Hartmut Henkel wrote:
>
>  On Wed, 9 Jun 2010, Andreas Schneider wrote:
>>
>>  while reading through the PDF to ISO-9075-1 (SQL99), I noticed
>>> something I had never seen before in a PDF: the page numbers displayed
>>> by Acrobat matched exactly the ones in the document ... the beginning
>>> was even numbered with roman numbers and the actual content started
>>> again at "Page 1". From a quick research it seems that this
>>> functionality is in PDF since Acrobat 4 (that should be PDF 1.3,
>>> right?) and is most likely called "Custom Page Numbering". It would be
>>> amazing if ConTeXt/LuaTeX supports that too - especially if you
>>> produce documents for screen reading.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately I don't have access to the PDF Specification currently
>>> to give you more info - so I don't even know for sure how that feature
>>> is officially called.
>>>
>>> Anyway, I hope that idea/suggestion/wish finds positive reactions ...
>>> and I somehow hope that it isn't actually too hard to implement :-)
>>>
>>
>> it's named "Page Labels" (never seen before, thanks for the pointer), in
>> the PDF Reference 5th ed. it's in section 8.3.1, the example 8.3 there
>> typed into \pdfcatalog{} works right away, so no luatex engine
>> modification needed.
>>
>
> IIRC, the hyperref package in LaTeX supports this. I do not know if there
> is a direct ConTeXt support.
>

Not direct, but ConTeXt CAN do this:
http://www.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2008/036947.html
http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20081016.174838.bff55fc9.en.html


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> Aditya
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Re: PDF Custom Page Numbering

[Hans Hagen]

On 9-6-2010 11:27, Hartmut Henkel wrote:

> it's named "Page Labels" (never seen before, thanks for the pointer), in
> the PDF Reference 5th ed. it's in section 8.3.1, the example 8.3 there
> typed into \pdfcatalog{} works right away, so no luatex engine
> modification needed.

i think that i wrote code for it once (as with most new pdf features) 
but if it ever made it into the core ... i usually discard such things 
when viewers behave strange or unpredictable

indeed it does not need a modified engine (most pdf things don't need a 
modification anyway)

maybe if i'm bored i'll have a look at it (or when real strong arguments 
show up); the only advantage that i remember is that it's more 
convenient with printing a selecting page range

Hans


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Re: PDF Custom Page Numbering

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am 2010-06-10 um 10:30 schrieb Hans Hagen:

> maybe if i'm bored i'll have a look at it (or when real strong  
> arguments show up); the only advantage that i remember is that it's  
> more convenient with printing a selecting page range

I consider it more professional when the displayed page number matches  
the "printed" one. E.g. if I prepare PDFs of magazines for download, I  
always change the custom page numbers of the cover to U1-U4, if the  
internal page numbering starts with 1 on PDF page 3. Similar, if  
there's a supplement in the middle.


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Re: PDF Custom Page Numbering

[Andreas Schneider]

Hartmut Henkel wrote:

> it's named "Page Labels" (never seen before, thanks for the pointer), in
> the PDF Reference 5th ed. it's in section 8.3.1, the example 8.3 there
> typed into \pdfcatalog{} works right away, so no luatex engine
> modification needed.

Thank you for digging up the correct term! Now my search results also look 
more promising :)

Best Regards,
Andreas.

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Re: PDF Custom Page Numbering

[Andreas Schneider]

Zhichu Chen wrote:

> Not direct, but ConTeXt CAN do this:
> http://www.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2008/036947.html
> http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20081016.174838.bff55fc9.en.html

Awesome, I'll try that right away. Thank you!

Best Regards,
Andreas.

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Re: PDF Custom Page Numbering

[Andreas Schneider]

Hans Hagen wrote:

> On 9-6-2010 11:27, Hartmut Henkel wrote:
> 
>> it's named "Page Labels" (never seen before, thanks for the pointer), in
>> the PDF Reference 5th ed. it's in section 8.3.1, the example 8.3 there
>> typed into \pdfcatalog{} works right away, so no luatex engine
>> modification needed.
> 
> i think that i wrote code for it once (as with most new pdf features)
> but if it ever made it into the core ... i usually discard such things
> when viewers behave strange or unpredictable
> 
> indeed it does not need a modified engine (most pdf things don't need a
> modification anyway)
> 
> maybe if i'm bored i'll have a look at it (or when real strong arguments
> show up); the only advantage that i remember is that it's more
> convenient with printing a selecting page range
> 
> Hans

I tried the given example(s), but it seems that \pdfcatalog{} doesn't 
currently work in MkIV (minimals, beta). The same example compiled fine in 
MkII.

(I was trying the following code: 
http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20081016.174838.bff55fc9.en.html)


Best Regards,
Andreas.

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