From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/28702 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bruce D'Arcus Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: bib amd mods Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 16:01:20 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <44980372.1000108@wxs.nl> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1150819361 20300 80.91.229.2 (20 Jun 2006 16:02:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 16:02:41 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Tue Jun 20 18:02:33 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FsigH-0002JX-Fd for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:02:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69E54127EB; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:02:21 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22042-06; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:02:15 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F1E0127D7; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:02:15 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00F8D127D9 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:02:12 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22284-10 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:02:07 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id 9F0D1127C5 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:02:07 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Fsifm-0002CR-Q8 for ntg-context@ntg.nl; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:01:51 +0200 Original-Received: from cpe-24-210-249-184.woh.res.rr.com ([24.210.249.184]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:01:50 +0200 Original-Received: from bdarcus.lists by cpe-24-210-249-184.woh.res.rr.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:01:50 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-To: ntg-context@ntg.nl Original-Lines: 41 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 24.210.249.184 (Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.8.0.1) Gecko/20060214 Camino/1.0) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.7 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:28702 Archived-At: Hi Hans, Hans Hagen wxs.nl> writes: > I wonder, is there any interest in the following: > > - support for http://www.loc.gov/standards/mods/ as basic bibl format I think Ulf's conclusions are right. MODS is expressive, which is why I was originally attracted to it, but it's also more complex than it needs to be for this sort of use case. The big question becomes, if not MODS, then what? As Ulf pointed out, my solution -- and the one I will be advocating for OpenDoucment (I am on the TC) -- is to use a particular RDF serialization. Indeed, I have a draft RELAX NG schema for it, and my formatting system (citeproc) now works with it quite well. Microsoft, incidentally, is implementing pretty good bib support (that looks suspiciously like what I've been advocating for OpenOffice!), which I've blogged about extensively. Their XML format is not bad, though it is totally flat, which means it won't be as flexible as MODS or RDF. More here: > - provide converters from marcs and bibtex to mods > - layer the bib module on top of that Curious question: would you be writing it in Lua (closer to the pdftex level), or go more high-level (as now)? > If so, who'd like to join/volunteer for subtasks I can certainly help with advice and design, particularly if you want to use CSL to configure the output. I've made some changes to it (again) recently, but think I'm zeroing in on freezing it. The more feedback I get, the easier it'll be to do that. Incidentally, I'm considering the possibility of submitting CSL to OASIS for standardization, though only if I can get some industry players involved. Bruce