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* Re: OpenType in ConTeXt
       [not found] <mailman.493.1186473146.2346.ntg-context@ntg.nl>
  2007-08-07 20:18 ` OpenType in ConTeXt Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini
@ 2007-08-07 20:18 ` Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini
  2007-08-07 20:50   ` Arthur Reutenauer
  2007-08-08  6:49   ` Taco Hoekwater
  1 sibling, 2 replies; 32+ messages in thread
From: Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini @ 2007-08-07 20:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: ntg-context

> >> well, i still use texfont for type 1 fonts, but for open type i
> >> use luatex anyway which can handle it directly (actually, mkiv also
> >> usese afm files instead of tfm when available, so texfont is not 
> >> needed any more)
> > 
> > How stable/reliable is LuaTeX for general use?
> 
> Well, "not at all" is the wisest answer I can give.

Is it possible to run both (mkiv/LuaTeX and mkii/pdfTeX) in parallel?

Wolfgang
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* Re: OpenType in ConTeXt
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@ 2007-08-07 20:18 ` Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini
  2007-08-11 21:06   ` Patrick Gundlach
  2007-08-07 20:18 ` Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini
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From: Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini @ 2007-08-07 20:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: ntg-context

> > It is nice to have such scripts. But I would like to know what
> > goes on behind the scene. In principle one has to know all the 
> > steps to do it by hand. 
> 
> Just use the great otftotfm by hand and you know what is missing.
> Then try to read the source code of otfinstall and try to underst 
> and what the steps are.
> 
> Patrick

The otftotfm documentation is exemplary!

I would like to volunteer to help writing such docs for texfont or
otfinstall. But it is very difficult to get the information. Not all 
of us are able to read sourcecode in perl and ruby and lua.

Wolfgang
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* Re: OpenType in ConTeXt
  2007-08-07 20:18 ` Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini
@ 2007-08-07 20:50   ` Arthur Reutenauer
  2007-08-08  6:49   ` Taco Hoekwater
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From: Arthur Reutenauer @ 2007-08-07 20:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
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> Is it possible to run both (mkiv/LuaTeX and mkii/pdfTeX) in parallel?

  And Mark III! That's what ConTeXt Live does

	http://live.contextgarden.net/

  There are some configuration issues and I haven't solved them all,
but that's mostly because I'm waiting for the steam to disappear after
the explosion of updates since two days.

  In a couple of days I should have come up to a definitive solution and
I can document it on the site; I planned on doing that anyway.
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* Re: OpenType in ConTeXt
  2007-08-07 20:18 ` Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini
  2007-08-07 20:50   ` Arthur Reutenauer
@ 2007-08-08  6:49   ` Taco Hoekwater
  2007-08-11 14:09     ` John R. Culleton
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From: Taco Hoekwater @ 2007-08-08  6:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini wrote:
>>>> well, i still use texfont for type 1 fonts, but for open type i
>>>> use luatex anyway which can handle it directly (actually, mkiv also
>>>> usese afm files instead of tfm when available, so texfont is not 
>>>> needed any more)
>>> How stable/reliable is LuaTeX for general use?
>> Well, "not at all" is the wisest answer I can give.
> 
> Is it possible to run both (mkiv/LuaTeX and mkii/pdfTeX) in parallel?

Certainly. In the past year, I have been happy running all of these
at the same time:

	texexec  | texexec --pdftex  % engine=pdftex
	texexec --aleph              % engine=aleph
	texexec --luatex             % engine=luatex
	texexec --xetex              % engine=xetex


Cheers, Taco
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* Re: OpenType in ConTeXt
  2007-08-08  6:49   ` Taco Hoekwater
@ 2007-08-11 14:09     ` John R. Culleton
  2007-08-11 15:52       ` Hans Hagen
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From: John R. Culleton @ 2007-08-11 14:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Wednesday 08 August 2007, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
> Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini wrote:
> >>>> well, i still use texfont for type 1 fonts, but for open type
> >>>> i use luatex anyway which can handle it directly (actually,
> >>>> mkiv also usese afm files instead of tfm when available, so
> >>>> texfont is not needed any more)
> >>>
> >>> How stable/reliable is LuaTeX for general use?
> >>
> >> Well, "not at all" is the wisest answer I can give.
> >
> > Is it possible to run both (mkiv/LuaTeX and mkii/pdfTeX) in
> > parallel?
>
> Certainly. In the past year, I have been happy running all of these
> at the same time:
>
> 	texexec  | texexec --pdftex  % engine=pdftex
> 	texexec --aleph              % engine=aleph
> 	texexec --luatex             % engine=luatex
> 	texexec --xetex              % engine=xetex

Is there a phrase or a sentence that will describe the distinguishing 
characteristcs and/or status of each of these choices?  Well, we know 
about the first one :<) I am bewildered by the rapid changes. 

-- 
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* Re: OpenType in ConTeXt
  2007-08-11 14:09     ` John R. Culleton
@ 2007-08-11 15:52       ` Hans Hagen
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2007-08-11 15:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
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John R. Culleton wrote:
> On Wednesday 08 August 2007, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
>> Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini wrote:
>>>>>> well, i still use texfont for type 1 fonts, but for open type
>>>>>> i use luatex anyway which can handle it directly (actually,
>>>>>> mkiv also usese afm files instead of tfm when available, so
>>>>>> texfont is not needed any more)
>>>>> How stable/reliable is LuaTeX for general use?
>>>> Well, "not at all" is the wisest answer I can give.
>>> Is it possible to run both (mkiv/LuaTeX and mkii/pdfTeX) in
>>> parallel?
>> Certainly. In the past year, I have been happy running all of these
>> at the same time:
>>
>> 	texexec  | texexec --pdftex  % engine=pdftex
>> 	texexec --aleph              % engine=aleph
>> 	texexec --luatex             % engine=luatex
>> 	texexec --xetex              % engine=xetex
> 
> Is there a phrase or a sentence that will describe the distinguishing 
> characteristcs and/or status of each of these choices?  Well, we know 
> about the first one :<) I am bewildered by the rapid changes. 

pdftex : traditional tex engine, extended with some functionality
aleph  : wide font multidirectional tex engine with input parsing
xetex  : unicode tex engine with open type support based on libs
luatex : unicode tex engine with embedded scripting machinery

luatex has pdftex and aleph as starting point and depends on lua code 
for advanced font (etc) support

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* Re: OpenType in ConTeXt
  2007-08-07 20:18 ` OpenType in ConTeXt Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini
@ 2007-08-11 21:06   ` Patrick Gundlach
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From: Patrick Gundlach @ 2007-08-11 21:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: ntg-context

Hello Wolfgang,

> The otftotfm documentation is exemplary!

It is, indeed.

> I would like to volunteer to help writing such docs for texfont or
> otfinstall. But it is very difficult to get the information. Not all 
> of us are able to read sourcecode in perl and ruby and lua.

Well, as propably many tools around, otfinstall is a tool which arose
for my personal needs. As soon as it worked, I stopped putting
time into it. If I can see any demand, I will pick it up again. But
there is luatex/mkiv waiting behind the corner. Then all this will be
obsolete anyway. So in my (and a some other people's elses) opinion,
putting any non-trivial effort in pdftex/mkii based solutions is a
waste of time. Better install luatex and write a font guide for
luatex.


Patrick
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* Re: OpenType in ConTeXt
  2007-08-07 17:33           ` Pascal de Bruijn
@ 2007-08-11 21:06             ` Patrick Gundlach
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From: Patrick Gundlach @ 2007-08-11 21:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: ntg-context

Hi Pascal,

> I adjusted it to my own situation (AGaramondPro, not the Premier
> version). And I ran it succesfully. However, I can't see where the files
> have gone?

They end up in a directory called texmf in the local directory, unless
you have given the command line to change this directory (see --help)

>  Compiling my .tex file also doesn't change anything.

See the file example.tex in the texmf directory.

> Besides this I also noticed the script didn't support Semibold, which to
> me is very essential. The Bold version of AGaramondPro doesn't have any
> small caps, and Semibold just looks beter.

Well, semibold is not supported, unless you drop bold and
use semibold instead. If you insist, I will have a look at this.

> And if I understand the script correctly, the font in converted into
> static versions supporting OsF and Sc, right?

Right.

Patrick
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* Re: OpenType in ConTeXt
  2007-08-09 20:36                   ` John R. Culleton
@ 2007-08-10 15:45                     ` Pascal de Bruijn
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From: Pascal de Bruijn @ 2007-08-10 15:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Thu, 2007-08-09 at 16:36 -0400, John R. Culleton wrote:
> On Tuesday 07 August 2007, Hans Hagen wrote:
> > Hans van der Meer wrote:
> > > On Aug 7, 2007, at 9:16, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
> > >>> Does LuaTeX already support OpenType things like
> > >>> SmallCaps, Old Style Figures, Alternates, Ligatures, etc?
> > >>
> > >> Yes. Best read the magazine has mentioned, and lookup
> > >> \definefontfeature.
> > >>
> > >>    http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/magazines/mag-0012.pdf
> > >
> > > I seem not to be able to reach/allowed on this link.
> > > Nor did I find it in the download/magazine section of the pragma
> > > site. How do I get this?
> >
> > it's really there
> >
> > Hans
> 
> I should mention that when I (involuntarily) changed Cable ISPs I lost 
> the ability to transmit mail directly to this list.  ntg.nl is 
> apparently not in their DNS server.  So I must transmit posts here 
> via my wexfordpress.com mail server maintained by doteasy.com, a 
> Canadian company.  Perhaps the other person is having a similar 
> difficulty basd on domain name servers. 

This means your ISPs DNS servers are broken. Not having a domain is just
not possible, without something being very broken, or being
intentionally (mis)configured.

You should complain at your ISP...

Regards,
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* Re: OpenType in ConTeXt
  2007-08-07 19:14                 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2007-08-09 20:36                   ` John R. Culleton
  2007-08-10 15:45                     ` Pascal de Bruijn
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From: John R. Culleton @ 2007-08-09 20:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: mailing list for ConTeXt users

On Tuesday 07 August 2007, Hans Hagen wrote:
> Hans van der Meer wrote:
> > On Aug 7, 2007, at 9:16, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
> >>> Does LuaTeX already support OpenType things like
> >>> SmallCaps, Old Style Figures, Alternates, Ligatures, etc?
> >>
> >> Yes. Best read the magazine has mentioned, and lookup
> >> \definefontfeature.
> >>
> >>    http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/magazines/mag-0012.pdf
> >
> > I seem not to be able to reach/allowed on this link.
> > Nor did I find it in the download/magazine section of the pragma
> > site. How do I get this?
>
> it's really there
>
> Hans

I should mention that when I (involuntarily) changed Cable ISPs I lost 
the ability to transmit mail directly to this list.  ntg.nl is 
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via my wexfordpress.com mail server maintained by doteasy.com, a 
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difficulty basd on domain name servers. 


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* Re: OpenType in ConTeXt
  2007-08-09 16:28                 ` Hans van der Meer
  2007-08-09 16:47                   ` Taco Hoekwater
@ 2007-08-09 17:17                   ` Peter Münster
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From: Peter Münster @ 2007-08-09 17:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Thu, 9 Aug 2007, Hans van der Meer wrote:

> No access to this link. Does it really exist?
> My browser says on entering "http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/ 
> magazines/":
> 
> Access forbidden!

This is what I use as starting point:
http://www.pragma-ade.com/dir
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* Re: OpenType in ConTeXt
  2007-08-09 16:28                 ` Hans van der Meer
@ 2007-08-09 16:47                   ` Taco Hoekwater
  2007-08-09 17:17                   ` Peter Münster
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From: Taco Hoekwater @ 2007-08-09 16:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Hans van der Meer wrote:
> No access to this link. Does it really exist?

Yes, but something seens wrong with the web server right now.
Try this link instead:

   http://context.aanhet.net/general/magazines/mag-0012.pdf

Best wishes,

Taco
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* Re: OpenType in ConTeXt
  2007-08-09 13:09               ` Oliver Buerschaper
  2007-08-09 14:26                 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2007-08-09 16:28                 ` Hans van der Meer
  2007-08-09 16:47                   ` Taco Hoekwater
  2007-08-09 17:17                   ` Peter Münster
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From: Hans van der Meer @ 2007-08-09 16:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
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No access to this link. Does it really exist?
My browser says on entering "http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/ 
magazines/":

Access forbidden!

You don't have permission to access the requested directory. There is  
either no index document or the directory is read-protected.

If you think this is a server error, please contact the webmaster.

Error 403

www.pragma-ade.com
Thu Aug 9 16:50:58 2007
Apache/2.2.3 (Linux/SUSE)

This is not very helpful.

On Aug 9, 2007, at 15:09, Oliver Buerschaper wrote:

>> Yes. Best read the magazine has mentioned, and lookup
>> \definefontfeature.
>>
>>    http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/magazines/mag-0012.pdf
>
> By the way, is there a "This way" number 11?
>
> Cheerio,
> Oliver
> ______________________________________________________________________ 
> _____________

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* Re: OpenType in ConTeXt
  2007-08-09 13:09               ` Oliver Buerschaper
@ 2007-08-09 14:26                 ` Hans Hagen
  2007-08-09 16:28                 ` Hans van der Meer
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 32+ messages in thread
From: Hans Hagen @ 2007-08-09 14:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Oliver Buerschaper wrote:
>> Yes. Best read the magazine has mentioned, and lookup
>> \definefontfeature.
>>
>>    http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/magazines/mag-0012.pdf
> 
> By the way, is there a "This way" number 11?

no, well, there is an unifinished file on my disk -)

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* Re: OpenType in ConTeXt
  2007-08-07  7:16             ` Taco Hoekwater
  2007-08-07 17:02               ` Hans van der Meer
@ 2007-08-09 13:09               ` Oliver Buerschaper
  2007-08-09 14:26                 ` Hans Hagen
  2007-08-09 16:28                 ` Hans van der Meer
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From: Oliver Buerschaper @ 2007-08-09 13:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: mailing list for ConTeXt users

> Yes. Best read the magazine has mentioned, and lookup
> \definefontfeature.
>
>    http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/magazines/mag-0012.pdf

By the way, is there a "This way" number 11?

Cheerio,
Oliver
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* Re: OpenType in ConTeXt
  2007-08-07 17:02               ` Hans van der Meer
  2007-08-07 17:09                 ` luigi scarso
@ 2007-08-07 19:14                 ` Hans Hagen
  2007-08-09 20:36                   ` John R. Culleton
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2007-08-07 19:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: mailing list for ConTeXt users

Hans van der Meer wrote:
> On Aug 7, 2007, at 9:16, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
> 
>>> Does LuaTeX already support OpenType things like
>>> SmallCaps, Old Style Figures, Alternates, Ligatures, etc?
>> Yes. Best read the magazine has mentioned, and lookup
>> \definefontfeature.
>>
>>    http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/magazines/mag-0012.pdf
>>
> 
> I seem not to be able to reach/allowed on this link.
> Nor did I find it in the download/magazine section of the pragma site.
> How do I get this?

it's really there

Hans

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* Re: OpenType in ConTeXt
  2007-08-06 20:07         ` Patrick Gundlach
@ 2007-08-07 17:33           ` Pascal de Bruijn
  2007-08-11 21:06             ` Patrick Gundlach
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From: Pascal de Bruijn @ 2007-08-07 17:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Mon, 2007-08-06 at 22:07 +0200, Patrick Gundlach wrote:
> Hi Pascal,
> 
> > I'll give otfinstall a shot tomorrow.
> 
> this is the oinst file for the adobe garamond premier I've used. There
> is no support for opticals yet. This is really a simple tool.
> 
> adobe_garamond_premier_pro.oinst:
> --------------------------------------------------
> vendor      "adobe"
> collection  "garamond"
> 
> # 'sans' or 'serif'
> fontclass   "serif"
> 
> # Allowed variants are 'default', 'osf'
> variants    %w(default osf)
> 
> # Supported faces are 'regular' 'bold' 'italic' and 'bolditalic'
> regular     "GaramondPremrPro.otf"
> bold        "GaramondPremrPro-Bd.otf"
> italic      "GaramondPremrPro-It.otf"
> bolditalic  "GaramondPremrPro-BdIt.otf"
> --------------------------------------------------

I adjusted it to my own situation (AGaramondPro, not the Premier
version). And I ran it succesfully. However, I can't see where the files
have gone? Compiling my .tex file also doesn't change anything.

I declared this, maybe I went wrong here... I tried several different
font names:

\usetypescript[AGaramondPro][texnansi]
\setupbodyfont[AGaramondPro]

I also tried 'garamond', 'adobegaramondpro'.

Besides this I also noticed the script didn't support Semibold, which to
me is very essential. The Bold version of AGaramondPro doesn't have any
small caps, and Semibold just looks beter.

And if I understand the script correctly, the font in converted into
static versions supporting OsF and Sc, right? (Ruby isn't very readable,
when you're not a Ruby programmer).

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* Re: OpenType in ConTeXt
  2007-08-07 17:02               ` Hans van der Meer
@ 2007-08-07 17:09                 ` luigi scarso
  2007-08-07 19:14                 ` Hans Hagen
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> >    http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/magazines/mag-0012.pdf
> >
>
> I seem not to be able to reach/allowed on this link.
> Nor did I find it in the download/magazine section of the pragma site.
> How do I get this?
it works for me;
try
http://context.aanhet.net/general/magazines/mag-0012.pdf

PS I have a pending  answer for you (error in textbackground with
metapost), just to say that I remember it
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* Re: OpenType in ConTeXt
  2007-08-07  7:16             ` Taco Hoekwater
@ 2007-08-07 17:02               ` Hans van der Meer
  2007-08-07 17:09                 ` luigi scarso
  2007-08-07 19:14                 ` Hans Hagen
  2007-08-09 13:09               ` Oliver Buerschaper
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On Aug 7, 2007, at 9:16, Taco Hoekwater wrote:

>
>> Does LuaTeX already support OpenType things like
>> SmallCaps, Old Style Figures, Alternates, Ligatures, etc?
>
> Yes. Best read the magazine has mentioned, and lookup
> \definefontfeature.
>
>    http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/magazines/mag-0012.pdf
>

I seem not to be able to reach/allowed on this link.
Nor did I find it in the download/magazine section of the pragma site.
How do I get this?

Hans van der Meer


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* Re: OpenType in ConTeXt
  2007-08-07  6:46           ` Pascal de Bruijn
  2007-08-07  7:16             ` Taco Hoekwater
@ 2007-08-07  9:36             ` Hans Hagen
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Pascal de Bruijn wrote:
> On 8/6/07, *Hans Hagen* <pragma@wxs.nl <mailto:pragma@wxs.nl>> wrote:
> 
> 
>     well, i still use texfont for type 1 fonts, but for open type i use
>     luatex anyway which can handle it directly (actually, mkiv also uses afm
>     files instead of tfm when available, so texfont is not needed any more) 
> 
> 
> How stable/reliable is LuaTeX for general use?

good enough for me to start using it in projects (where i know what i 
need and not -)

> Does LuaTeX already support OpenType things like
> SmallCaps, Old Style Figures, Alternates, Ligatures, etc?

yes, yes, yes, yes, etc


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* Re: OpenType in ConTeXt
  2007-08-06 23:24 ` Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini
@ 2007-08-07  7:52   ` Patrick Gundlach
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From: Patrick Gundlach @ 2007-08-07  7:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: ntg-context

Hi,

> It is nice to have such scripts. But I would like to know what goes 
> on behind the scene. In principle one has to know all the steps to do 
> it by hand. 


Just use the great otftotfm by hand and you know what is missing. Then
try to read the source code of otfinstall and try to underst and what
the steps are.

Patrick
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* Re: OpenType in ConTeXt
  2007-08-07  6:46           ` Pascal de Bruijn
@ 2007-08-07  7:16             ` Taco Hoekwater
  2007-08-07 17:02               ` Hans van der Meer
  2007-08-09 13:09               ` Oliver Buerschaper
  2007-08-07  9:36             ` Hans Hagen
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From: Taco Hoekwater @ 2007-08-07  7:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Pascal de Bruijn wrote:
> On 8/6/07, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:
>>
>> well, i still use texfont for type 1 fonts, but for open type i use
>> luatex anyway which can handle it directly (actually, mkiv also uses afm
>> files instead of tfm when available, so texfont is not needed any more)
> 
> 
> How stable/reliable is LuaTeX for general use?

Well, "not at all" is the wisest answer I can give.

But I know for a fact that there are people out there (you know who
you are!) that  use luatex for production work already. As long as you
stick to the highlevel context interface, are not interested in the
archivability of documents and do not hit a showstopper bug, it is
somewhat ok to do that.

Luatex is an early beta. I am always happy to hear about bugs, but
it may take a while for them to get fixed (in the next beta), so
don't start anything time-critical in luatex that cannot easily
be handled in another way, just in case.

> Does LuaTeX already support OpenType things like
> SmallCaps, Old Style Figures, Alternates, Ligatures, etc?

Yes. Best read the magazine has mentioned, and lookup
\definefontfeature.

   http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/magazines/mag-0012.pdf

Best wishes,
Taco
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* Re: OpenType in ConTeXt
  2007-08-06 20:10         ` Hans Hagen
@ 2007-08-07  6:46           ` Pascal de Bruijn
  2007-08-07  7:16             ` Taco Hoekwater
  2007-08-07  9:36             ` Hans Hagen
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On 8/6/07, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:
>
>
> well, i still use texfont for type 1 fonts, but for open type i use
> luatex anyway which can handle it directly (actually, mkiv also uses afm
> files instead of tfm when available, so texfont is not needed any more)


How stable/reliable is LuaTeX for general use?

Does LuaTeX already support OpenType things like
SmallCaps, Old Style Figures, Alternates, Ligatures, etc?

Regards,
Pascal de Bruijn

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* Re: OpenType in ConTeXt
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@ 2007-08-06 23:24 ` Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini
  2007-08-07  7:52   ` Patrick Gundlach
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From: Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini @ 2007-08-06 23:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
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> > Why should I use otfinstall instead of texfont, besides the fact
> > that texfont doesn't work?
> 
>   Do you really need another reason? Have you tried otfinst? The
> point
> of all these scripts is to make your life easier in generating
> metrics,
> auxiliary fonts and map files; if you tear yourself with questions
> before trying them much of their interest is lost on you.

It is nice to have such scripts. But I would like to know what goes 
on behind the scene. In principle one has to know all the steps to do 
it by hand. 

Wolfgang
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* Re: OpenType in ConTeXt
  2007-08-06 20:01       ` Pascal de Bruijn
  2007-08-06 20:07         ` Patrick Gundlach
@ 2007-08-06 20:10         ` Hans Hagen
  2007-08-07  6:46           ` Pascal de Bruijn
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2007-08-06 20:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Pascal de Bruijn wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On Mon, 2007-08-06 at 19:54 +0200, Arthur Reutenauer wrote:
>>> Why should I use otfinstall instead of texfont, besides the fact that
>>> texfont doesn't work?
>>   Do you really need another reason? Have you tried otfinst? The point
>> of all these scripts is to make your life easier in generating metrics,
>> auxiliary fonts and map files; if you tear yourself with questions
>> before trying them much of their interest is lost on you.
> 
> You're right. I'm just a curious person. I considerd texfont to be an
> 'official' tool, and I'd like to learn/stick to official stuff whenever
> possible (at least as long as that doesn't involve me losing my sanity).
> 
>>>                       Is texfont incomplete?
>>   I have no idea; but at any rate it belongs to a clearly “older”
>> generation of scripts. The latest available version has
>> “version=2004.02.06” in the documentation part, and even without that
>> you can spot it quite easily since it belongs to Hans' Perl period ;-)
> 
> I didn't know Hans' had a Perl period... I guess that period has passed
> now... 2004 has been a while...

well, i still use texfont for type 1 fonts, but for open type i use 
luatex anyway which can handle it directly (actually, mkiv also uses afm 
files instead of tfm when available, so texfont is not needed any more)

Hans

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* Re: OpenType in ConTeXt
  2007-08-06 20:01       ` Pascal de Bruijn
@ 2007-08-06 20:07         ` Patrick Gundlach
  2007-08-07 17:33           ` Pascal de Bruijn
  2007-08-06 20:10         ` Hans Hagen
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From: Patrick Gundlach @ 2007-08-06 20:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: ntg-context

Hi Pascal,

> I'll give otfinstall a shot tomorrow.

this is the oinst file for the adobe garamond premier I've used. There
is no support for opticals yet. This is really a simple tool.

adobe_garamond_premier_pro.oinst:
--------------------------------------------------
vendor      "adobe"
collection  "garamond"

# 'sans' or 'serif'
fontclass   "serif"

# Allowed variants are 'default', 'osf'
variants    %w(default osf)

# Supported faces are 'regular' 'bold' 'italic' and 'bolditalic'
regular     "GaramondPremrPro.otf"
bold        "GaramondPremrPro-Bd.otf"
italic      "GaramondPremrPro-It.otf"
bolditalic  "GaramondPremrPro-BdIt.otf"
--------------------------------------------------

Put the files in otf/adobe/garamond and run

ruby otfinst.rb -f otf 

Patrick
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* Re: OpenType in ConTeXt
  2007-08-06 17:54     ` Arthur Reutenauer
@ 2007-08-06 20:01       ` Pascal de Bruijn
  2007-08-06 20:07         ` Patrick Gundlach
  2007-08-06 20:10         ` Hans Hagen
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From: Pascal de Bruijn @ 2007-08-06 20:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Hi,

On Mon, 2007-08-06 at 19:54 +0200, Arthur Reutenauer wrote:
> > Why should I use otfinstall instead of texfont, besides the fact that
> > texfont doesn't work?
> 
>   Do you really need another reason? Have you tried otfinst? The point
> of all these scripts is to make your life easier in generating metrics,
> auxiliary fonts and map files; if you tear yourself with questions
> before trying them much of their interest is lost on you.

You're right. I'm just a curious person. I considerd texfont to be an
'official' tool, and I'd like to learn/stick to official stuff whenever
possible (at least as long as that doesn't involve me losing my sanity).

> 
> >                       Is texfont incomplete?
> 
>   I have no idea; but at any rate it belongs to a clearly “older”
> generation of scripts. The latest available version has
> “version=2004.02.06” in the documentation part, and even without that
> you can spot it quite easily since it belongs to Hans' Perl period ;-)

I didn't know Hans' had a Perl period... I guess that period has passed
now... 2004 has been a while...

> 
> 
> >                                              Or am I doing something
> > wrong?
> 
>   Probably not.
> 
> >        What are the advantages/downsides of both?
> 
>   Why don't you try it for yourself?

I'll give otfinstall a shot tomorrow.

Thanks for the reply,
Pascal de Bruijn

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* Re: OpenType in ConTeXt
  2007-08-06 17:20   ` Pascal de Bruijn
  2007-08-06 17:54     ` Arthur Reutenauer
@ 2007-08-06 18:03     ` Patrick Gundlach
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From: Patrick Gundlach @ 2007-08-06 18:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: ntg-context

Hello Pascal,

> I already noticed that script, however... It seems texfont already has
> support for OpenType. It has the --preproc and --lcdf parameters.

I have written otfinstall after I have played around with texfont.
texfont is much more versatile then otfinstall, but I think that
otfinstall is faster, easier to use and writes all necessary files.
But since I never felt like reading the texfont documentation, I might
be completely wrong about my assumptions on texfont.

> Why should I use otfinstall instead of texfont, besides the fact that
> texfont doesn't work? Is texfont incomplete? Or am I doing something
> wrong? What are the advantages/downsides of both?

They are just two different tools for a similar purpose. Nothing wrong
with each of them. There is not much to add to what Arthur said.

If you need any specific help on otfinstall, I'd be glad to assist you
(and update the documentation as well).

Patrick

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* Re: OpenType in ConTeXt
  2007-08-06 17:20   ` Pascal de Bruijn
@ 2007-08-06 17:54     ` Arthur Reutenauer
  2007-08-06 20:01       ` Pascal de Bruijn
  2007-08-06 18:03     ` Patrick Gundlach
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From: Arthur Reutenauer @ 2007-08-06 17:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
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> Why should I use otfinstall instead of texfont, besides the fact that
> texfont doesn't work?

  Do you really need another reason? Have you tried otfinst? The point
of all these scripts is to make your life easier in generating metrics,
auxiliary fonts and map files; if you tear yourself with questions
before trying them much of their interest is lost on you.

>                       Is texfont incomplete?

  I have no idea; but at any rate it belongs to a clearly “older”
generation of scripts. The latest available version has
“version=2004.02.06” in the documentation part, and even without that
you can spot it quite easily since it belongs to Hans' Perl period ;-)


>                                              Or am I doing something
> wrong?

  Probably not.

>        What are the advantages/downsides of both?

  Why don't you try it for yourself?

	Arthur
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* Re: OpenType in ConTeXt
  2007-08-06  7:45 ` Patrick Gundlach
@ 2007-08-06 17:20   ` Pascal de Bruijn
  2007-08-06 17:54     ` Arthur Reutenauer
  2007-08-06 18:03     ` Patrick Gundlach
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From: Pascal de Bruijn @ 2007-08-06 17:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Mon, 2007-08-06 at 09:45 +0200, Patrick Gundlach wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> > Can anybody lend me some aid? 
> 
> You could use otfinstall to install your opentype fonts. 
> 
> http://wiki.contextgarden.net/otfinstall

I already noticed that script, however... It seems texfont already has
support for OpenType. It has the --preproc and --lcdf parameters.

After running:

texfont --makepath --install -en=texnansi --ve=adobe
--co=adobegaramondpro --preproc --lcdf

It generated these files:

/opt/texlive/texmf-local/fonts$ ls -1 tfm/adobe/adobegaramondpro/
texnansi-AGaramondPro-Regular--base.tfm
texnansi-AGaramondPro-Regular--lcdfj.tfm
texnansi-AGaramondPro-Regular.tfm
texnansi-AGaramondPro-Semibold--base.tfm
texnansi-AGaramondPro-Semibold--lcdfj.tfm
texnansi-AGaramondPro-Semibold.tfm
...
/opt/texlive/texmf-local/fonts$ ls -1 type1/adobe/adobegaramondpro/
AGaramondPro-Regular.pfb
AGaramondPro-Semibold.pfb
...

Why should I use otfinstall instead of texfont, besides the fact that
texfont doesn't work? Is texfont incomplete? Or am I doing something
wrong? What are the advantages/downsides of both?

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* Re: OpenType in ConTeXt
  2007-08-05 13:51 Pascal de Bruijn
@ 2007-08-06  7:45 ` Patrick Gundlach
  2007-08-06 17:20   ` Pascal de Bruijn
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From: Patrick Gundlach @ 2007-08-06  7:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: ntg-context

Hi,

> Can anybody lend me some aid? 

You could use otfinstall to install your opentype fonts. 

http://wiki.contextgarden.net/otfinstall

Patrick
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* OpenType in ConTeXt
@ 2007-08-05 13:51 Pascal de Bruijn
  2007-08-06  7:45 ` Patrick Gundlach
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 32+ messages in thread
From: Pascal de Bruijn @ 2007-08-05 13:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: ntg-context

Hi,

I managed to install my Adobe OpenType fonts into ConTeXt:

texfont --makepath --install --en=texnansi --ve=adobe
--co=AdobeGaramondPro --preproc --lcdf

However, loading the font like this does not work:

  \usetypescriptfile[texnansi-adobe-adobegaramondpro]
  \setupbodyfont[AdobeGaramondPro]

Can anybody lend me some aid? Did I mess up the installation? Or am I
using the wrong syntax?

I'm using TeXlive 2007.

Regards,
Pascal de Bruijn

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