From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/16190 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Patrick Gundlach" Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: How to use PostScript font Date: 21 Aug 2004 10:48:59 +0200 Organization: chaos Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Message-ID: References: <672d10671a77.671a77672d10@tampabay.rr.com> <41245FD7.8060509@wxs.nl> <4125AE5D.5050700@wxs.nl> <41261E2E.3000900@wxs.nl> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1093078164 7002 80.91.224.253 (21 Aug 2004 08:49:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 08:49:24 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Sat Aug 21 10:49:10 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1ByRYk-0002UP-00 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 10:49:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6757512787; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 10:49:07 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ronja.vet.uu.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16708-01; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 10:49:04 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BC5D12777; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 10:49:04 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B87012777 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 10:49:02 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ronja.vet.uu.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16429-05 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 10:49:01 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from lilly.ping.de (unknown [83.97.42.2]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id 3869A12775 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 10:49:01 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: (qmail 20561 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2004 08:48:59 -0000 Original-Received: (ofmipd 83.97.40.224); 21 Aug 2004 08:48:37 -0000 Original-Received: from schnee.local (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7L8n0qe006471 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 10:49:00 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: (from pg@localhost) by schnee.local (8.12.9/8.12.2/Submit) id i7L8n0PQ006470; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 10:49:00 +0200 (CEST) Original-To: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Authentication-Warning: schnee.local: pg set sender to patrick@gundla.ch using -f X-Lieblings-Musik: the_capricorns In-Reply-To: <41261E2E.3000900@wxs.nl> (Hans Hagen's message of "Fri, 20 Aug 2004 17:52:14 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.1003 (Gnus v5.10.3) Emacs/21.3.50 (darwin) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:16190 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.context:16190 Hi Hans, [psnfss fonts] > sure, and anyone is free to use what he/she wants; but ... my main > problem is that i want to *know* what i use; That is exactly why I use the psnfss fonts. They are stable, the spacing doesn't change. > (afm2pl now has a afm2tfm compatibility switch); there have been > many discussions on how well for instance adobe metrics (the > standard 35, present in printers, but they may differ over time and > per platform) match urw's (on tex live, used when embedded) [nelson > beebe has done quite some research on that]. Yes, but what was the conclusion? As far as I can see the metrics only changed in terms of the character bounding box. But these are not considered for the advance width. So the change in metrics is irrelevant for typesetting with TeX. > One problem with all those fonts is that they have characteristics > that are not reflected in the filename (take for instance the > slant), emwidth, spacing, etc. Yes, but what is the problem? We are not talking about "other fonts", just the ones preinstalled by psnfss. We know ervery bit of those fonts, so no need to reflect the spacing etc. in the filename, since e.g. phvr8t will always have the same characteristics thougout all distributions. > say that i want to mix polish and german (using qx and ec encoding) in > one doc, i want similar spacing etc, don't i? Right, but qx isn't supplied by psnfss anyway, is it? So you'd have to make your own font; but I still can't see the drawback in using those fonts for 99% of [texts covered by ec encoding]. I can agree on "don't mix fontinst installed fonts with afm2... installed fonts when you need same em width (and alike)." But for most texts I bet that this is not an issue. > concerning the akb file, that's more related to wanting to use adobe > related metrics Absolutely. The choose the adobe metrics from psnfss, but as I am told the URW metrics have somewhat questionable kerning data. And using URW metrics with Adobe fonts will break on glyphs that are in URW but not Adobe. > all engines, and until now could distinguish on suffix (fmt,efmt,ofmt) > but web2c/tds now uses one suffix (fmt) and $engine subpath; but not > all distributions will follow that spec, so context users who use > pdfetex alongside aleph are worse off (well, texexec can be configured > to use the web2c/$engine subpath: --engine of in texexec.ini) I should make a macro in my Mailreader for default answer for those questions and put it on a easy to remember key :-) > actually, the nice thing about afm2pl is that it creates texnansi > metric files avoiding virtual fonts. That is really good. Let me see what I can do with respect to psnfss/texnansi... Patrick -- ConTeXt wiki: http://contextgarden.net texshow-web: http://texshow.contextgarden.net List archive: http://archive.contextgarden.net