Language issues

Language issues

[Mats Broberg]

Dear listmembers,

When setting a language (in this case Swedish) for a document, is there
something else one is supposed to do than putting \language[sv] on a
single line somewhere before \starttext?

I get overfull, non-hyphenated lines in the section I am typesetting.

Best regards,
Mats Broberg

Re: Language issues

[Hans Hagen]

Mats Broberg wrote:
> Dear listmembers,
> 
> When setting a language (in this case Swedish) for a document, is there
> something else one is supposed to do than putting \language[sv] on a
> single line somewhere before \starttext?
> 
> I get overfull, non-hyphenated lines in the section I am typesetting.

if you want a document wide switch, use \mainlanguage[sv]

are you sure that you've loaded the swedish patterns?

   texexec --make --all

will add them all

Hans

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RE: Language issues

[Mats Broberg]

> if you want a document wide switch, use \mainlanguage[sv]
> 
> are you sure that you've loaded the swedish patterns?
> 
>    texexec --make --all
> 
> will add them all
> 
> Hans

OK, I ran texexec --make --all and changed \language[sv] to
\mainlanguage[sv].

Regretfully, no change. Still overfull lines and incorrect hyphenation
the few times the text is hyphenated. Any ideas to what I am doing
wrong?

Best regards,
Mats Broberg

Re: Language issues

[Hans Hagen]

Mats Broberg wrote:
>>if you want a document wide switch, use \mainlanguage[sv]
>>
>>are you sure that you've loaded the swedish patterns?
>>
>>   texexec --make --all
>>
>>will add them all
>>
>>Hans
> 
> 
> OK, I ran texexec --make --all and changed \language[sv] to
> \mainlanguage[sv].
> 
> Regretfully, no change. Still overfull lines and incorrect hyphenation
> the few times the text is hyphenated. Any ideas to what I am doing
> wrong?

does the log report a swedisch pattern being loaded?

what font encoding do you use? (is related to hyphenation)

can you make a minimal file that i can run here (with right hyphenation points 
indicated?)

Hans



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RE: Language issues

[Mats Broberg]

> does the log report a swedisch pattern being loaded?
> 
> what font encoding do you use? (is related to hyphenation)
> 
> can you make a minimal file that i can run here (with right 
> hyphenation points 
> indicated?)
> 
> Hans

Hans,

I looked at the log file and no, you're right: Swedish is not included
in the list of languages when pdfTeX is talking about patterns:

language        : patterns en->default:default->1->2:2
uk->default:default->2->
2:2 de->texnansi:texnansi->3->2:2 de->ec:ec->4->2:2
fr->texnansi:texnansi->5->2
:2 fr->ec:ec->6->2:2 es->default:default->7->2:2
it->texnansi:texnansi->8->2:2 
it->ec:ec->9->2:2 nl->texnansi:texnansi->10->2:2 nl->ec:ec->11->2:2
loaded

So something is wrong and the patterns are not loading.

Best regards,
Mats Broberg

Re: Language issues

[h h extern]

Mats Broberg wrote:
>>does the log report a swedisch pattern being loaded?
>>
>>what font encoding do you use? (is related to hyphenation)
>>
>>can you make a minimal file that i can run here (with right 
>>hyphenation points 
>>indicated?)
>>
>>Hans
> 
> 
> Hans,
> 
> I looked at the log file and no, you're right: Swedish is not included
> in the list of languages when pdfTeX is talking about patterns:
> 
> language        : patterns en->default:default->1->2:2
> uk->default:default->2->
> 2:2 de->texnansi:texnansi->3->2:2 de->ec:ec->4->2:2
> fr->texnansi:texnansi->5->2
> :2 fr->ec:ec->6->2:2 es->default:default->7->2:2
> it->texnansi:texnansi->8->2:2 
> it->ec:ec->9->2:2 nl->texnansi:texnansi->10->2:2 nl->ec:ec->11->2:2
> loaded
> 
> So something is wrong and the patterns are not loading.

but ...

   texexec --make --all

should load all patterns; what does cont-en.log say about that?

[you can try to edit your local copy of cont-usr.tex -- uncomment the swedish lines]

another option is to pick up the beta version, since it is more clever with 
patterns; in that case you can also try to generate pattern files for context 
(using ctxtools, see patterns manual on our website)

btw, given that patterns fit into mem quite well, we may as well preload the 
whole lot by default

Hans

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Re: Language issues

[h h extern]

Mats Broberg wrote:
>>does the log report a swedisch pattern being loaded?
>>
>>what font encoding do you use? (is related to hyphenation)
>>
>>can you make a minimal file that i can run here (with right 
>>hyphenation points 
>>indicated?)
>>
>>Hans
> 
> 
> Hans,
> 
> I looked at the log file and no, you're right: Swedish is not included
> in the list of languages when pdfTeX is talking about patterns:
> 
> language        : patterns en->default:default->1->2:2
> uk->default:default->2->
> 2:2 de->texnansi:texnansi->3->2:2 de->ec:ec->4->2:2
> fr->texnansi:texnansi->5->2
> :2 fr->ec:ec->6->2:2 es->default:default->7->2:2
> it->texnansi:texnansi->8->2:2 
> it->ec:ec->9->2:2 nl->texnansi:texnansi->10->2:2 nl->ec:ec->11->2:2
> loaded
> 
> So something is wrong and the patterns are not loading.

this is what i get here

language        : patterns nl->texnansi:texnansi->1->2:2 nl->ec:ec->2->2:2 fr->
texnansi:texnansi->3->2:2 fr->ec:ec->4->2:2 de->texnansi:texnansi->5->2:2 de->e
c:ec->6->2:2 it->texnansi:texnansi->7->2:2 it->ec:ec->8->2:2 hr->ec:ec->9->2:2
pl->pl0:pl0->10->2:2 pl->ec:ec->11->2:2 cz->il2:il2->12->2:2 cz->ec:ec->13->2:2
  sk->il2:il2->14->2:2 sk->ec:ec->15->2:2 sl->il2:il2->16->2:2 sl->ec:ec->17->2:
2 en->ec:ec->18->2:2 da->ec:ec->19->2:2 sv->ec:ec->20->2:2 af->ec:ec->21->2:2 n
o->ec:ec->22->2:2 deo->ec:ec->23->2:2 uk->ec:ec->24->2:2 us->ec:ec->25->2:2 es-
 >ec:ec->26->2:2 ca->ec:ec->27->2:2 la->ec:ec->28->2:2 pt->ec:ec->29->2:2 ro->ec
:ec->30->2:2 tr->ec:ec->31->2:2 fi->ec:ec->33->2:2 hu->ec:ec->34->2:2 loaded

some patterns are loaded multiple times

Hans

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RE: Language issues

[Mats Broberg]

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> but ...
> 
>    texexec --make --all
> 
> should load all patterns; what does cont-en.log say about that?
> 
> [you can try to edit your local copy of cont-usr.tex -- 
> uncomment the swedish lines]
> 
> another option is to pick up the beta version, since it is 
> more clever with 
> patterns; in that case you can also try to generate pattern 
> files for context 
> (using ctxtools, see patterns manual on our website)
> 
> btw, given that patterns fit into mem quite well, we may as 
> well preload the 
> whole lot by default

Hans,

Enclosing the cont-en.log. 

As you can see, Swedish is not loaded. I hunted down the cont-usr.tex
file and uncommented this line about Swedish:

% \installlanguage [\s!sv] [\c!state=\v!start] % swedish

ran texexec --make --all again, but the log says Swedish is still not
loaded.

Best regards,
Mats Broberg

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Re: Language issues

[h h extern]

Mats Broberg wrote:

> Enclosing the cont-en.log. 
> 
> As you can see, Swedish is not loaded. I hunted down the cont-usr.tex
> file and uncommented this line about Swedish:
> 
> % \installlanguage [\s!sv] [\c!state=\v!start] % swedish
> 
> ran texexec --make --all again, but the log says Swedish is still not
> loaded.

C:\texmf\tex\generic\hyphen\nohyph.tex Norsk hyphenation patterns
! TeX capacity exceeded, sorry [pattern memory ops=2048].
l.1207 lt3s6

If you really absolutely need more capacity,
you can ask a wizard to enlarge me.


Here is how much of TeX's memory you used:
  33278 strings out of 98455
  509952 string characters out of 1219765
  417307 words of memory out of 1048577
  32670 multiletter control sequences out of 60000
  7 words of font info for 0 fonts, out of 500000 for 1000
  134 hyphenation exceptions out of 607
  23i,1n,26p,286b,663s stack positions out of 1500i,500n,5000p,200000b,32768s
No pages of output.

so ... you never made a format -)

you need to increase some mem values in texmf.cnf:

    texmfstart --direct youreditor.exe kpse:texmf.cnf


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RE: Language issues

[Mats Broberg]

> so ... you never made a format -)
> 
> you need to increase some mem values in texmf.cnf:
> 
>     texmfstart --direct youreditor.exe kpse:texmf.cnf
> 
> 
> buf_size.context         =  200000 % needed for omega bug
> extra_mem_bot.context    = 2000000
> extra_mem_top.context    = 4000000
> font_max.context         =    2000
> font_mem_size.context    = 1000000
> hash_extra.context       =   65000
> main_memory.context      = 1500000
> max_strings.context      =  200000
> nest_size.context        =     500
> obj_tab_size.context     =  300000 % 8388607
> pdf_mem_size.context     =  500000 % 524288
> dest_names_size.context  =  300000 % 131072
> param_size.context       =   10000
> pool_free.context        =   47500
> pool_size.context        = 1250000
> save_size.context        =   50000
> stack_size.context       =   10000
> string_vacancies.context =   90000
> trie_size.context        =  250000
> hyph_size.context        =    1000

Hans,

Thanks. Now I typed:

texmfstart --direct winedt.exe kpse:texmf.cnf

And this is what I get:

'texmfstart' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
operable program or batch file.

Then I tried searching for the file texmf.cnf, but it is nowhere to be
found.

Best regards,
Mats Broberg

Re: Language issues

[Matthew Huggett]

> Then I tried searching for the file texmf.cnf, but it is nowhere to be
> found.

On my system, it's in texmf/web2c/texmf.cnf -- if that helps at all.

regards,

Matt

RE: Language issues

[Mats Broberg]

> > Then I tried searching for the file texmf.cnf, but it is 
> nowhere to be 
> > found.
> 
> On my system, it's in texmf/web2c/texmf.cnf -- if that helps at all.
> 
> regards,
> 
> Matt

Thanks, Matt - I looked there but there is no such file...

Best regards,
Mats Broberg

Re: Language issues

[Tobias Burnus]

Hello,

Matthew Huggett wrote:
>>Then I tried searching for the file texmf.cnf, but it is nowhere to be
>>found.
>>    
>On my system, it's in texmf/web2c/texmf.cnf -- if that helps at all.
>  

Well, on web2c-based systems (fpTeX, teTeX, TeXLive) one should be able
to find it using
"kpsewhich texmf.cnf." If the TeX is not based on web2c, well, then you
have to look for another config file ;)
If I remember correctly, MiKTeX has a different file.

Under Windows there is under Start|Find (or something like that) the
possibility to search for a file (texmf.cnf);
Unix: "locale texmf.cnf" (or rather brutral: find / /usr /etc $HOME
-name texmf.cnf)

Tobias

PS: I also get
   bash: texmfstart: command not found
Seemingly, it's time for a newer Linux (with teTeX 3) and a newer ConTeXt.

RE: Language issues

[Mats Broberg]

> Well, on web2c-based systems (fpTeX, teTeX, TeXLive) one 
> should be able to find it using "kpsewhich texmf.cnf." If the 
> TeX is not based on web2c, well, then you have to look for 
> another config file ;) If I remember correctly, MiKTeX has a 
> different file.
> 
> Under Windows there is under Start|Find (or something like 
> that) the possibility to search for a file (texmf.cnf);
> Unix: "locale texmf.cnf" (or rather brutral: find / /usr /etc 
> $HOME -name texmf.cnf)
> 
> Tobias

OK, I'm using MikTeX so obviously I should change the memory settings in
a different file then. 

MikTeX users out there - any pointers to what file I should be looking
for? I checked the installation PDF but there is no reference to the
name of the file.

Best regards,
Mats Broberg

Re: Language issues

[Tobias Burnus]

Hi Mats,

Mats Broberg wrote:
>OK, I'm using MikTeX so obviously I should change the memory settings in
>a different file then. 
>  
Google is your friend. Try
http://www.miktex.org/manual/miktexinilayout.html#id585308
and there "Memory Settings for TeX & Friends". the file is seeminly
named miktex.ini.

Greetings to Sweden from (currently) Taiwan,

Tobias

RE: Language issues

[Mats Broberg]

> Google is your friend. Try 
> http://www.miktex.org/manual/miktexinilayout.h> tml#id585308
> 
> and there "Memory Settings for TeX & Friends". 
> the file is seeminly named miktex.ini.
> 
> Greetings to Sweden from (currently) Taiwan,
> 
> Tobias

Many thanks, Tobias. I browsed the archives and it seems memory settings
for MikTeX can not be changed. Approx. 2 years ago, Sebastian Rooks
wrote (and Giuseppe Bilotta answered):

===================================================

Saturday, April 12, 2003 Sebastian Rooks wrote:
SR> So it does not seem to be my setup. What can I try next ? Am I
really
SR> the only guy with this problem ?

Drats, it looks like the hash size cannot be changed ... I'm
discussing this and similar issues with Christian, so I'll forward
the problem to him. If everything goes well it should be fixed in
the next upgrade. I'll keep you informed.

===================================================

Pity! What TeX distributions are the other Windows users running, if not
MikTeX?

Thanks for all listmembers' help, anyway.

Best regards,
Mats Broberg

Re: Language issues

[Tobias Burnus]

Hello Mats,

Mats Broberg wrote:
>Pity! What TeX distributions are the other Windows users running, if not
>MikTeX?
>  
Well, TeXLive, fpTeX or Hans' stripped-down TeX version comes into my mind.

If you don't have the TeXLive CD (as several TeX user groups send their
members), try
- http://www.tug.org/texlive/
- http://www.fptex.org/
- http://www.pragma-ade.com/download-1.htm - minimal and stand-alone
ConTeXt distribution

Maybe some Windows users know others or can recommend which one is best
(with which editor).
(My last TeX under Windows was web2c/Windows [now named fpTeX], before
that Y&Y TeX and before that emTeX; now I use teTeX under Linux.)

Tobias

Re: Language issues

[Willi Egger]

Hi MAts,

I use different installations:

c:\alpha-context a minimal distribution of Hans with the alpha version 
of ConTeXt (mswintex.zip + cont-lmt.zip)
c:\mytex a TeXlive installation based on TeXlive 2004
c:\newcontext a minimal distribution with the beta-version of ConTeXt 
(mswintex.zip + cont-lmt.zip).

I can only say, that Hans his minimal distributions are great. Minimal 
and still complete!

Kind regards
Willi

Mats Broberg wrote:
>>Google is your friend. Try 
>>http://www.miktex.org/manual/miktexinilayout.h> tml#id585308
>>
>>and there "Memory Settings for TeX & Friends". 
>>the file is seeminly named miktex.ini.
>>
>>Greetings to Sweden from (currently) Taiwan,
>>
>>Tobias
> 
> 
> Many thanks, Tobias. I browsed the archives and it seems memory settings
> for MikTeX can not be changed. Approx. 2 years ago, Sebastian Rooks
> wrote (and Giuseppe Bilotta answered):
> 
> ===================================================
> 
> Saturday, April 12, 2003 Sebastian Rooks wrote:
> SR> So it does not seem to be my setup. What can I try next ? Am I
> really
> SR> the only guy with this problem ?
> 
> Drats, it looks like the hash size cannot be changed ... I'm
> discussing this and similar issues with Christian, so I'll forward
> the problem to him. If everything goes well it should be fixed in
> the next upgrade. I'll keep you informed.
> 
> ===================================================
> 
> Pity! What TeX distributions are the other Windows users running, if not
> MikTeX?
> 
> Thanks for all listmembers' help, anyway.
> 
> Best regards,
> Mats Broberg
> 
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Re: windows installation, was Language issues

[Mari Voipio]

Tobias Burnus wrote:
> Mats Broberg wrote:
>>Pity! What TeX distributions are the other Windows users running, if not
>>MikTeX?
> Well, TeXLive, fpTeX or Hans' stripped-down TeX version comes into my mind.

I'm running TeXLive2003, although I think my ConTeXt is from last
summer, i.e. updated from the original.
One of my TeXLive2003:s (I guess the XP at home) has TeXLive installed
in C:\Program Files, which means that while ConTeXt now works fine with
spaces in file names, the TeXfont in that system doesn't, so I haven't
been able to install a single extra font besides the ones I already
have. Where TeXLive2003 is installed as C:\TeXLive, I haven't had
problems. I don't yet know what newer versions do here.


> If you don't have the TeXLive CD (as several TeX user groups send their
> members), try
> - http://www.tug.org/texlive/

TeXLive 2004 .iso CD image, i.e. the installable TeXLive, does NOT come
with Windows installer and I couldn't get it to install by running the
shell scripts in CygWin, either. Or let's say, it kind of installs, but
takes a ton of tweaking afterwards and still doesn't work for me.
(Note. I tried installing it into a "blank" Windows2000, a Windows
without an older version of TeXLive2003 (and very little else besides
Windows and Office)).

However, you may have better luck if you get hold of the stand-alone
(runnable) TeXLive2004 DVD. The instructions on how to install TeXLive
on Windows from that are at <http://www.tug.org/texlive/windows.html>,
see "Manual Windows installation for 2004" and this sounds like a viable
option (had to find a DVD burner first and just got the DVD done, so 
haven't tried yet). The same page now also mentions that there's now a 
provisional installation program for reasonably experienced users who 
know how to use command line. (Maybe I'll try this... not getting 
TeXLive 2004 to work majorly *irritates* me.)



> Maybe some Windows users know others or can recommend which one is best
> (with which editor).

I'm weird, I use NTEmacs (have to install that separately) with
context.el. For Emacs it probably doesn't make any difference what
distribution is used as long as it works at all.


My workmate installed the standalone windows version (mswincontext.zip) 
and found out (the hard way) that it required some bits and pieces that 
a standard Windows (think of non-programming 'dummy user' Windows) 
doesn't automatically have - both perl and ruby were missing, at least. 
Once he installed ruby (perl he had already) and got the system running, 
he's been very happy with editing ConTeXt with Scite on the stand-alone.

(Hans, I'd suggest including a small "readme.txt" in these windows zips
for us dummy users which tell us about the system requirements including
info on where to get ruby - the downloading page itself is less than
informative in this respect. Or included perl and ruby into the 
standalone package as was done in the older/original version of the 
standalone. But for example I'd be quite ok with getting them from 
somewhere else if I got some pointers on from where.)


Or, even better, while I'm at it: I'll go install the standalone in a 
computer that recently experienced a hard-disk wipe and *if* I get the 
system to work, I'll write the instructions for other Windows users to 
follow.


mari
(whose never used ConTeXt in any other platform than Windows)

Re: Language issues

[Patrick Gundlach]

Hello Mats,

> When setting a language (in this case Swedish) for a document, is there
> something else one is supposed to do than putting \language[sv] on a
> single line somewhere before \starttext?

is this the same on live.contextgarden.net?

Patrick

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