From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/15897 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Patrick Gundlach" Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: Best source of ConTeXt documentation? 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(8.12.9/8.12.2/Submit) id i72FkgZ7026902; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 17:46:42 +0200 (CEST) Original-To: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Authentication-Warning: schnee.local.: pg set sender to patrick@gundla.ch using -f X-Lieblings-Musik: the_capricorns In-Reply-To: <200408021457.i72Ev94B025117@blue1.Math.Berkeley.EDU> (Paulo Ney de Souza's message of "Mon, 2 Aug 2004 07:57:09 -0700 (PDT)") User-Agent: Gnus/5.1003 (Gnus v5.10.3) Emacs/21.3.50 (darwin) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:15897 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.context:15897 Hello, > This is one of the sore points of ConTeXt and of the development > effort. People at Pragma are willing to show off but not willing > to share code and teach by example... contrary to most opensource > projects I have seen. Oh come on, this is completely crap. The people at PRAGMA (i.e. Hans) share ConTeXt, wich is the holy grail that PRAGMA is based on (besides the knowledge). It is such a generous gift to the community. Please think about if you write stuff like that. You are right, that not all (only few) manuals are available in .tex format. See pdftex manual and the magazines. Putting source code online needs time, a lot of time. Source code needs to get documented. And I don't know Hans very well, but I'd guess that his day only has 24h. There are already some styles in the ConTeXt wiki. And there are styles that come with the distribution. > Maybe it is time for us to start an group to reverse-engineer some > of these files and post them into a public archive. Why reverse-engineer? Just cook up the style you want. If you have questions doing this, ask on the ConTeXt list. If you are ready, put the style onto the Wiki. The styles at pragma are very good, but definitely not the only way to go. Making a good style is not copy/paste. It is a matter of experience. Experience is something you have to gain yourself. And yes, it is time for us to put examples online. But the ConTeXt community is still rather small. So there won't be many results in a short time. Paulo, You can do the first step. Go to the wiki, edit a page that states your questions regarding style development. Put a table of contents or something similar there, which steps you would like to see, which things you would like to have explained and so on. After that "we" (the more experienced ConTeXt users) can fill in the gaps. And finally we all have a small manual on style design. This is much better than being so aggressive on the unwillingness to share source. Patrick (btw: looking for some beta testers for a new service) -- ConTeXt wiki: http://contextgarden.net texshow-web: http://texshow.contextgarden.net List archive: http://archive.contextgarden.net