Re: using fonts

Re: using fonts

[Adam Lindsay]

Wolfgang Zillig said this at Tue, 7 Dec 2004 09:18:43 +0100:

>Adam Lindsay wrote:
>
>> But before that, TeX needs uplr8t.tfm to know how wide characters are so
>> it can put boxes in the right place.
>
>but where do I get the tfm or how to create them?

Good question. I'll throw it open to the list:
Metrics for the urw clone 35 used to be commonly found everywhere. Where
have they gone?

adam
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Re: using fonts

[Patrick Gundlach]

Hi Adam,

> Good question. I'll throw it open to the list:
> Metrics for the urw clone 35 used to be commonly found everywhere. Where
> have they gone?

Do you have psnfss for LaTeX installed?

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Re: Re: using fonts

[Wolfgang Zillig]

Hello Patrick,

I have installed the complete miktex distribution. I think it should be 
includedd there.

Wolfgang

Patrick Gundlach wrote:
> Hi Adam,
> 
> 
>>Good question. I'll throw it open to the list:
>>Metrics for the urw clone 35 used to be commonly found everywhere. Where
>>have they gone?
> 
> 
> Do you have psnfss for LaTeX installed?
> 
> Patrick
> 

Re: Re: using fonts

[Adam Lindsay]

Patrick Gundlach said this at Tue, 7 Dec 2004 10:09:54 +0100:

>> Good question. I'll throw it open to the list:
>> Metrics for the urw clone 35 used to be commonly found everywhere. Where
>> have they gone?
>
>Do you have psnfss for LaTeX installed?

I guess I don't. gwTeX doesn't seem to throw it in there. (I reinstalled
prompted by your earlier Q.)

So where (e.g., on CTAN) would you point this person to?

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Re: using fonts

[Patrick Gundlach]

[...]

>>Do you have psnfss for LaTeX installed?
>
> I guess I don't. gwTeX doesn't seem to throw it in there. (I reinstalled
> prompted by your earlier Q.)
>
> So where (e.g., on CTAN) would you point this person to?

Good question, I just looked at CTAN. The sources are in
fonts/psfonts/psnfss-source, but have to be generated by a makefile,
wich needs some modification on my linux box.

Would it make sense to create the metrics and put the online?

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Re: Re: using fonts

[Wolfgang Zillig]

I got some info from the miktex forum:

the font: uplr8t is a replacement for the adobe font. The Adobe font is called 
pplr8t.tfm

So I still not for sure where the error comes from
- false font names
- missing font names

What do you think?

Wolfgang


Patrick Gundlach wrote:
> [...]
> 
> 
>>>Do you have psnfss for LaTeX installed?
>>
>>I guess I don't. gwTeX doesn't seem to throw it in there. (I reinstalled
>>prompted by your earlier Q.)
>>
>>So where (e.g., on CTAN) would you point this person to?
> 
> 
> Good question, I just looked at CTAN. The sources are in
> fonts/psfonts/psnfss-source, but have to be generated by a makefile,
> wich needs some modification on my linux box.
> 
> Would it make sense to create the metrics and put the online?
> 
> Patrick

Re: using fonts

[Patrick Gundlach]

Hello Wolfgang,

> I got some info from the miktex forum:
>
> the font: uplr8t is a replacement for the adobe font. The Adobe font
> is called pplr8t.tfm
>
> So I still not for sure where the error comes from
> - false font names
> - missing font names
>
> What do you think?

Well, I am out of sync with the problem. Did you try the things on the
wiki? What error messages do you get?

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Re: using fonts

[Hans Hagen]

Adam Lindsay wrote:
> Wolfgang Zillig said this at Tue, 7 Dec 2004 09:18:43 +0100:
> 
> 
>>Adam Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>
>>>But before that, TeX needs uplr8t.tfm to know how wide characters are so
>>>it can put boxes in the right place.
>>
>>but where do I get the tfm or how to create them?
> 
> 
> Good question. I'll throw it open to the list:
> Metrics for the urw clone 35 used to be commonly found everywhere. Where
> have they gone?

one time they were under urw, then under urw35, now back under urw if i'm right

Hans


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Re: using fonts

[Wolfgang Zillig]

with miktex there is a path C:\texmf\fonts\tfm\urw with some subfolders, but all 
of them are empty. For example Helvetica is located 
C:\texmf\fonts\tfm\adobe\helvetic and all files starting with "p".

I think that was the problem with selecting fonts on my system.

Wolfgang

Hans Hagen wrote:
> Adam Lindsay wrote:
> 
>> Wolfgang Zillig said this at Tue, 7 Dec 2004 09:18:43 +0100:
>>
>>
>>> Adam Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> But before that, TeX needs uplr8t.tfm to know how wide characters 
>>>> are so
>>>> it can put boxes in the right place.
>>>
>>>
>>> but where do I get the tfm or how to create them?
>>
>>
>>
>> Good question. I'll throw it open to the list:
>> Metrics for the urw clone 35 used to be commonly found everywhere. Where
>> have they gone?
> 
> 
> one time they were under urw, then under urw35, now back under urw if 
> i'm right
> 
> Hans
> 
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Re: using fonts

[Adam Lindsay]

Wolfgang Zillig said this at Tue, 7 Dec 2004 13:15:42 +0100:

>with miktex there is a path C:\texmf\fonts\tfm\urw with some subfolders,
>but all 
>of them are empty. For example Helvetica is located 
>C:\texmf\fonts\tfm\adobe\helvetic and all files starting with "p".
>
>I think that was the problem with selecting fonts on my system.

Sigh. me too.
This is a recent change in my distro, I think.
try adding this line:
\usetypescript[adobekb][ec]

This causes the mapping from ec-uplr8a:
\starttypescript [adobekb] [ec]
 \definefontsynonym [ec-uplr8a]     [pplr8t]  [encoding=ec]

...which you should have on your system.

Sorry (especially to Patrick!) for being misleading earlier. My head was
still in TeXLive mode.
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Re: using fonts

[Patrick Gundlach]

Hi Adam,

[...]

> Sorry (especially to Patrick!) for being misleading earlier. My head was
> still in TeXLive mode.

Well, my head *is* in TeXLive mode. But TL 2003 (home). On garden I
use current tetex (garden). Both work fine with the adobekb
typescript. 


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Re: Re: using fonts

[Adam Lindsay]

Patrick Gundlach said this at Tue, 7 Dec 2004 18:09:25 +0100:

>> Sorry (especially to Patrick!) for being misleading earlier. My head was
>> still in TeXLive mode.
>
>Well, my head *is* in TeXLive mode. But TL 2003 (home). On garden I
>use current tetex (garden). Both work fine with the adobekb
>typescript. 

Yeah, it was TL2003, I think, where I had all the urw tfms, which was
nice. I had my focus on the berry typescripts back then, not your
excellent adobekb work.
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Re: using fonts

[Patrick Gundlach]

Hello Adam,

[...]

> Well, I'm wondering where all the tfms have gone on my distribution, as
> well (gwTeX on the Mac doesn't seem to include 8r or ec/8t metrics,
> either). 

Do you have psnfss (LaTeX) installed?

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Re: using fonts

[Adam Lindsay]

Wolfgang Zillig said this at Mon, 6 Dec 2004 13:40:24 +0100:

>Hello,
>
>I think I´mgetting confused with all of the font selection within context.

Don't worry: it's a bit complicated at first... but it's learn-able (and
easier, to my mind, than LaTeX's way of doing things!).

>First: I have a miktex environment on on W2K.

I don't have miktex. But I'll try to teach what I know!

>1.
>to change single fonts:
>\definetypeface [palatino] [rm] [serif] [palatino] [default] [encoding=ec]
>\switchtotypeface[palatino][12pt,rm]
>results in an error that the font is not found (font: uplr8t)

okay, let's expand through the typescripts a bit:
You invoke these typescripts through your typeface definition (primarily;
there are others that automatically get triggered):
 [serif][palatino][name]
 [serif][palatino][ec]
 [serif][default] [size] % etc...

Serif then gets mapped in type-syn:
\starttypescript [serif] [palatino] [name]
  \definefontsynonym [Serif]            [Palatino] %...

Palatino then gets mapped in type-enc:
\starttypescript [serif] [palatino] [texnansi,ec,8r,t5]
  \definefontsynonym [Palatino][\typefaceencoding-
uplr8a][encoding=\typefaceencoding] %...

This line gets expanded to:
  \definefontsynonym [Palatino][ec-uplr8a][encoding=ec] %...

...So at this point, your system would be looking around for ec-
uplr8a.tfm, but it's not. You provide a clue as to why not:

>2.
>I thought that the default encoding should be texnansi

In the new cont-sys.rme, it's set to ec encoding:
 \setupencoding [\s!default=ec]

...and the berry type synonyms are invoked:
 \usetypescript [berry] [\defaultencoding]

So the following typescript gets invoked, mapping the above ec-uplr8a:
\starttypescript [berry] [ec]
 \definefontsynonym [ec-uplr8a] [uplr8t]  [encoding=ec]

That, being the last one in the chain, is what ConTeXt looks for. For
those following along at home, the whole chain of name resolution, taking
into account the encoding, is therefore:
(\rm\tf) > Serif > Palatino > ec-uplr8a > uplr8t

>on my system following files are available:

That's quite a mixture of types, below. Can you provide a listing of the
.tfm files in fonts/tfm/urw/palatino ?

>uplr8a.afm

(The base Adobe Font Metrics file, which enables you to generate new tfms)

>uplr8v.tfm
>uplr8v.pfb

(Vietnamese variants of the fonts!)

>uplr8a.pfb

(That's the postscript font file you ultimately want to include in your
document.)

>uplr8v.htf

(Irrelevant to our discussion. TeX4ht-related, I think?)

>Summary:
>
>do I need to get the missing fonts/files and why are they not provided
>with miktex.
>Perhaps a change of the distribution is to prefer? (which one)

Well, I'm wondering where all the tfms have gone on my distribution, as
well (gwTeX on the Mac doesn't seem to include 8r or ec/8t metrics,
either). It looks like you might have to do a texfont run to build
(ConTeXt-named) tfms in order to be useful.

It's not all that scary. I gave a rundown of the steps I followed in this
primitive MyWay. It might be useful so long as you don't treat it as
literal instructions:
<http://homepage.mac.com/atl/tex/TexfontExamined.pdf>

Cheers,
adam
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Re: using fonts

[Patrick Gundlach]

Hello Wolfgang,

> I think I´mgetting confused with all of the font selection within context.

You are not the first one...

> First: I have a miktex environment on on W2K.

That should be OK for all needs.

> 1. to change single fonts:

see http://contextgarden.net/Psnfss

> \definetypeface [palatino] [rm] [serif] [palatino] [default] [encoding=ec]
> \switchtotypeface[palatino][12pt,rm]

I have never used \switchtotypeface.

> 2.
> I thought that the default encoding should be texnansi

This depends on your setup. See cont-sys.tex as a place where
defaultencoding is sometimes set.

> 3.
> should be there some font-switching macros on the system called
> font-xxx.tex (example font-lbr.tex)? These are missing on my system.
> I think these are needed forthings like:
> \setupbodyfont[lbr, sans, 12pt]

Well the font-xxx.tex files have nothing (not completely true) to do
with the font switching commands.

> 4.
> within miktex there are "lucida" font files from yandy (lbr.tfm
> ). Is that a free version of lucida-font?

No. There is no really free version of lucida. They once came with
staroffice and there was a script that was able to pull them out and
make them accessable for TeX. But I think that the quality is lower
than the original ones (once read a statement from Walter Schmit about
them, don't remember when and where) and math is not included.

> (is that for math? [there is anotherfile called math-lbt.tex in
> \context\base])

No math fonts like lucida for free.


> do I need to get the missing fonts/files and why are they not
> provided with miktex. Perhaps a change of the distribution is to
> prefer? (which one)

No, go ahead with MikTeX. Try out the stuff that is on the wiki and
please report on your success/failure.

> Is there a manual which explains how to change fonts (in a way that a
> normal user who is new to context can understand it)?

yes and no. See the wiki for links.

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using fonts

[Wolfgang Zillig]

Hello,

I think I´mgetting confused with all of the font selection within context.

First: I have a miktex environment on on W2K.

1.
to change single fonts:
\definetypeface [palatino] [rm] [serif] [palatino] [default] [encoding=ec]
\switchtotypeface[palatino][12pt,rm]
results in an error that the font is not found (font: uplr8t)

on my system following files are available:
uplr8a.afm
uplr8v.tfm
uplr8v.pfb
uplr8a.pfb
uplr8v.htf

but I think tfm is needed

2.
I thought that the default encoding should be texnansi
I tried that but context is looking for texnansi-uhvr8a (here for helvet). The 
font uhvr8a is on my system.

3.
should be there some font-switching macros on the system called font-xxx.tex 
(example font-lbr.tex)? These are missing on my system.
I think these are needed forthings like:
\setupbodyfont[lbr, sans, 12pt]

4.
within miktex there are "lucida" font files from yandy (lbr.tfm
). Is that a free version of lucida-font?
(is that for math? [there is anotherfile called math-lbt.tex in \context\base])


Summary:

do I need to get the missing fonts/files and why are they not provided with miktex.
Perhaps a change of the distribution is to prefer? (which one)

Is there a manual which explains how to change fonts (in a way that a normal 
user who is new to context can understand it)?

Thanks a lot

Wolfgang

Re: Using Fonts

[Hans Hagen]

At 10:13 PM 5/7/2000 +0200, Hraban wrote:

>I've a basic problem: My dvi viewer doesn't seem to know any font.
>And perhaps it's not only a problem of kdvi or xdvi, but of MF.
>
>Which file tells MF, where to look after font files?
>
>I use LinuxPPC on a PowerMac 8200, but I think, the texmf tree is
>a "normal" Linux one.

If things are installed ok, xdvi should call MF to generate the fonts, that
is, when there are mf sources. 

>And if I get solved this problem, how should I tell ConTeXt about
>the fonts to use? I tried...
>\input font-ppl % Palatino!
>\setupbodyfont[rm,10pt]

\setupbodyfont[ppl,10pt]

These fonts are not visible in xdvi since thety are PS ones. In that case I
suggest you use GhostView or Acrobat for viewing. 

["texexec --pdf yourfile" generates a pdf file] 

Hans

>Thank you for rescueing a dummy!

How is linux for ppc? 

Hans

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Using Fonts

[Hraban]

Heigh ho!

I've a basic problem: My dvi viewer doesn't seem to know any font.
And perhaps it's not only a problem of kdvi or xdvi, but of MF.

Which file tells MF, where to look after font files?

I use LinuxPPC on a PowerMac 8200, but I think, the texmf tree is
a "normal" Linux one.

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And if I get solved this problem, how should I tell ConTeXt about
the fonts to use? I tried...
\input font-ppl % Palatino!
\setupbodyfont[rm,10pt]

(Or like that - the PPP doesn't work with my LinuxPPC yet, so I've to
boot MacOS for Email...)

Thank you for rescueing a dummy!

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