Re: Best source of ConTeXt documentation?

["Patrick Gundlach" <patrick@gundla.ch>]

Hello again,

>     >Oh come on, this is completely crap. The people at PRAGMA (i.e. Hans)
>     >share ConTeXt, wich is the holy grail that PRAGMA is based on
>     >(besides the knowledge). It is such a generous gift to the community.
>     >Please think about if you write stuff like that.
>
> I realize better that you do Hans contibutions to the Open Source community
> and I never complained about the sharing of ConTeXt, which is indeed the 
> best typesetting system I have seen. You are taking my comment into a 
> completely different context, pun not intended!

No, actually I am not. You wrote "People at Pragma are willing to show
off but not willing to share code and teach by example..." 

Willing to show off -> that is right. The talks etc. are really
   impressive (but more than that).
"but not willing to share code" -> this is, as you know, mostly
   wrong. How many thousands of lines do they share? How many lines
   do you share?
"...and teach by example". There *are* a few examples online. Did you
   look at the magazines? Did you look at the pdftex manual? 

I just guess you did not find them. (Or know about.) 

>     >There are already some styles in the ConTeXt wiki. And there are
>     >styles that come with the distribution. 
>
> The discussion is not about styles, it is about examples and how-to.

Styles are examples. Did you have a look? And yes, howtos are missing. 


[...]

> We are not talking about experience and or copy/paste, if you are assuming 
> that I don't have the experience or that the guy that posted the initial
> message wants to copy and paste, again you are on the wrong track.

You were talking about reverse engeneering. What is wrong about
making up your own style and publish it? You obviously lack experience
(which is not ment negative) (or are too unwilling to do so) in style
design with ConTeXt, or you would do the first step and publish *your*
styles somewhere, together with sources. Then you will find out that
publishing source code is not always trivial.

So my conclusion is something like this: write down your questions
you have and we can fill in the gap. As long as people are only
complaining and whining, nothing will change. Constructive criticism
is much better than the messages you sent.

And if we continue this conversation: please point out which styles
you would like to see available. There too many documents at PRAGMA,
so we might talk about different items. 

Patrick
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