From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/42361 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jesse Alama Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: hyphenatedurl (WHY?) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 13:17:21 -0700 Message-ID: References: <42EC6575-1CE2-4B5C-95B5-F2D78119B993@st.estfiles.de> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1215808624 20119 80.91.229.12 (11 Jul 2008 20:37:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 20:37:04 +0000 (UTC) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Fri Jul 11 22:37:50 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KHPNA-0001ye-4W for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 22:37:44 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68D261FC9B; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 22:36:47 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 18619-01-2; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 22:35:57 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2C5F1FBCC; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 22:35:57 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3D641FB98 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 22:35:55 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16740-08-6 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 22:35:13 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from smtp-roam.Stanford.EDU (smtp-roam.Stanford.EDU [171.64.10.152]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id C578F1FC77 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 22:17:24 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (c-71-202-237-115.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [71.202.237.115]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-roam.Stanford.EDU (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6BKHL7S022630 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 11 Jul 2008 13:17:22 -0700 In-Reply-To: <42EC6575-1CE2-4B5C-95B5-F2D78119B993@st.estfiles.de> (Steffen Wolfrum's message of "Fri, 11 Jul 2008 21:59:22 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110007 (No Gnus v0.7) Emacs/22.2 (darwin) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:42361 Archived-At: Steffen Wolfrum writes: > God bless the command \hyphenatedurl{...} ! > > Only, I am wondering why it starts a new line not *after* but *before* > the slash, dot or whatever there is to structure a long url. > Is this an english/dutch convention, completely different than > paragraph wrapping? Or is it common usus, just me never noticed it > outside ConTeXt?? I can't speak for Dutch conventions, but here are some rules concerning URL's according to the Chicago Manual of Style, 15th edition: "Where it is necessary to break a URL or an e-mail address, no hyphens should be used. The break should be made between elements, after a colon, a slash, a double slash, or the symbol @ but before a period or any other punctuation or symbols. To avoid confusion, a URL that contains a hyphen should never be broken at the hyphen. If a particularly long element must be broken to avoid a seriously loose line, it should be broken between syllables according to the guidelines offered above." (7.44, p. 298) There's another section of the book (17.11) where they say the same thing, and give examples: http://press-pubs.uchicago .edu/founders/ http://www.uiowa.edu/ ~vpr/research/organize/humalink.htm http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/b.cgi ?artid=19161 http://www.internetnews.com/ec -news/article/0,,4_353451.html Does anyone have any other references handy that could adjudicate on the matter? Perhaps this varies from language to language (or even country to country), though I would be surprised if it varied all that much, since URL's are a fairly new typographical entity. Jesse -- Jesse Alama (alama@stanford.edu) ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________