problem with MkIV/TeXlive/TEXMFCACHE

problem with MkIV/TeXlive/TEXMFCACHE

[Rainer J.H. Brandt via ntg-context]

Dear experts,

I want to use ConTeXt MkIV as supplied by TeXlive 2021.
After installation, I ran "mtxrun --generate".
I also tried "context --generate".
Both create output in the wrong place.

The TeXlive documentation says that ConTeXt uses TEXMFCACHE,
which uses the default $TEXMFSYSVAR;$TEXMFVAR in my texmf.cnf.
My TEXMFSYSVAR is /var/opt/texlive, but ConTeXt doesn't use it.
Instead, it creates /opt/texmf-var and creates its output there.
I don't understand why it used that path; I've never used or configured it. 

How can I convice ConTeXt to use TEXMFSYSVAR?

Or is this a question for the TeXlive folks?

Thanks for looking at this.
Regards, Rainer
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Re: problem with MkIV/TeXlive/TEXMFCACHE

[luigi scarso via ntg-context]

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On Fri, Aug 27, 2021 at 10:35 AM Rainer J.H. Brandt via ntg-context <
ntg-context@ntg.nl> wrote:

> Dear experts,
>
> I want to use ConTeXt MkIV as supplied by TeXlive 2021.
> After installation, I ran "mtxrun --generate".
> I also tried "context --generate".
> Both create output in the wrong place.
>
> The TeXlive documentation says that ConTeXt uses TEXMFCACHE,
> which uses the default $TEXMFSYSVAR;$TEXMFVAR in my texmf.cnf.
> My TEXMFSYSVAR is /var/opt/texlive, but ConTeXt doesn't use it.
> Instead, it creates /opt/texmf-var and creates its output there.
> I don't understand why it used that path; I've never used or configured
> it.
>
> How can I convice ConTeXt to use TEXMFSYSVAR?
>
> Or is this a question for the TeXlive folks?
>
> Thanks for looking at this.
>


What does
$> tlmgr conf
say ?

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Re: problem with MkIV/TeXlive/TEXMFCACHE

[Rainer J.H. Brandt via ntg-context]

Hello Luigi,

you asked:
> On Fri, Aug 27, 2021 at 10:35 AM Rainer J.H. Brandt via ntg-context <
> ntg-context@ntg.nl> wrote:
> 
> > Dear experts,
> >
> > I want to use ConTeXt MkIV as supplied by TeXlive 2021.
> > After installation, I ran "mtxrun --generate".
> > I also tried "context --generate".
> > Both create output in the wrong place.
> >
> > The TeXlive documentation says that ConTeXt uses TEXMFCACHE,
> > which uses the default $TEXMFSYSVAR;$TEXMFVAR in my texmf.cnf.
> > My TEXMFSYSVAR is /var/opt/texlive, but ConTeXt doesn't use it.
> > Instead, it creates /opt/texmf-var and creates its output there.
> > I don't understand why it used that path; I've never used or configured
> > it.
> >
> > How can I convice ConTeXt to use TEXMFSYSVAR?
> > [...]
> 
> What does
> $> tlmgr conf
> say ?

The output is appended below and looks reasonable.  In particular, it shows
that I installed under /opt/local/share/texlive and doesn't mention the
"mtxrun --generate" output path /opt/texmf-var at all.

Please note that I don't use tlmgr and also that I didn't use the TeX Live
installer.  I built the binaries from their sources and then installed
the rest from the texmf archive file. I use other engines on a daily basis,
mostly pdflatex, and they work flawlessly.

Thanks, Rainer

=========================== version information ==========================
tlmgr revision 57970 (2021-02-27 15:17:34 +0100)
tlmgr using installation: /opt
==================== executables found by searching PATH =================
PATH: /opt/local/bin:/opt/local/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/bin:/sbin:/Users/rjhb/doc/cvs/rjhb/perl5/bin:.:/Applications/Qt/current/clang_64/bin:/usr/X11/bin
dvipdfmx:  /opt/local/bin/dvipdfmx
dvips:     /opt/local/bin/dvips
fmtutil:   /opt/local/bin/fmtutil
kpsewhich: /opt/local/bin/kpsewhich
luatex:    /opt/local/bin/luatex
mktexpk:   /opt/local/bin/mktexpk
pdftex:    /opt/local/bin/pdftex
tex:       /opt/local/bin/tex
tlmgr:     /opt/local/bin/tlmgr
updmap:    /opt/local/bin/updmap
xetex:     /opt/local/bin/xetex
=========================== active config files ==========================
config.ps:        /opt/local/share/texlive/texmf-dist/dvips/config/config.ps
fmtutil.cnf:      /opt/local/share/texlive/texmf-dist/web2c/fmtutil.cnf
mktex.cnf:        /opt/local/share/texlive/texmf-dist/web2c/mktex.cnf
pdftexconfig.tex: /opt/local/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/generic/tex-ini-files/pdftexconfig.tex
texmf.cnf:        /opt/local/share/texlive/texmf-dist/web2c/texmf.cnf
updmap.cfg:       /opt/local/share/texlive/texmf-dist/web2c/updmap.cfg
============================= font map files =============================
kanjix.map:  /opt/local/share/texlive/texmf-dist/fonts/map/dvipdfmx/updmap/kanjix.map
pdftex.map:  /opt/local/share/texlive/texmf-dist/fonts/map/pdftex/updmap/pdftex.map
ps2pk.map:   /opt/local/share/texlive/texmf-dist/fonts/map/dvips/updmap/ps2pk.map
psfonts.map: /opt/local/share/texlive/texmf-dist/fonts/map/dvips/updmap/psfonts.map
=========================== kpathsea variables ===========================
ENCFONTS=.:{{}/Users/rjhb/etc/texmf,/Users/rjhb/var/texmf,/Users/rjhb/lib/texmf,!!/opt/local/share/texlive/texmf-local,!!/opt/local/share/texlive/texmf-config,!!/var/opt/texlive,!!/opt/local/share/texlive/texmf-dist}/fonts/enc//
SYSTEXMF=/var/opt/texlive:/opt/local/share/texlive/texmf-local:/opt/local/share/texlive/texmf-dist
TEXCONFIG={{}/Users/rjhb/etc/texmf,/Users/rjhb/var/texmf,/Users/rjhb/lib/texmf,!!/opt/local/share/texlive/texmf-local,!!/opt/local/share/texlive/texmf-config,!!/var/opt/texlive,!!/opt/local/share/texlive/texmf-dist}/dvips//
TEXFONTMAPS=.:{{}/Users/rjhb/etc/texmf,/Users/rjhb/var/texmf,/Users/rjhb/lib/texmf,!!/opt/local/share/texlive/texmf-local,!!/opt/local/share/texlive/texmf-config,!!/var/opt/texlive,!!/opt/local/share/texlive/texmf-dist}/fonts/map/{kpsewhich,pdftex,dvips,}//
TEXMF={{}/Users/rjhb/etc/texmf,/Users/rjhb/var/texmf,/Users/rjhb/lib/texmf,!!/opt/local/share/texlive/texmf-local,!!/opt/local/share/texlive/texmf-config,!!/var/opt/texlive,!!/opt/local/share/texlive/texmf-dist}
TEXMFCONFIG=/Users/rjhb/etc/texmf
TEXMFDBS={!!/opt/local/share/texlive/texmf-local,!!/opt/local/share/texlive/texmf-config,!!/var/opt/texlive,!!/opt/local/share/texlive/texmf-dist}
TEXMFDIST=/opt/local/share/texlive/texmf-dist
TEXMFHOME=/Users/rjhb/lib/texmf
TEXMFLOCAL=/opt/local/share/texlive/texmf-local
TEXMFMAIN=/opt/local/share/texlive/texmf-dist
TEXMFSYSCONFIG=/opt/local/share/texlive/texmf-config
TEXMFSYSVAR=/var/opt/texlive
TEXMFVAR=/Users/rjhb/var/texmf
TEXPSHEADERS=.:{{}/Users/rjhb/etc/texmf,/Users/rjhb/var/texmf,/Users/rjhb/lib/texmf,!!/opt/local/share/texlive/texmf-local,!!/opt/local/share/texlive/texmf-config,!!/var/opt/texlive,!!/opt/local/share/texlive/texmf-dist}/{dvips,fonts/{enc,type1,type42,type3}}//
VARTEXFONTS=/Users/rjhb/var/texmf/fonts
WEB2C={{}/Users/rjhb/etc/texmf,/Users/rjhb/var/texmf,/Users/rjhb/lib/texmf,!!/opt/local/share/texlive/texmf-local,!!/opt/local/share/texlive/texmf-config,!!/var/opt/texlive,!!/opt/local/share/texlive/texmf-dist}/web2c
==== kpathsea variables from environment only (ok if no output here) ====
TEXMFCNF=/opt/local/share/texlive/texmf-dist/web2c
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Re: problem with MkIV/TeXlive/TEXMFCACHE

[luigi scarso via ntg-context]

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On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 11:49 AM Rainer J.H. Brandt via ntg-context <
ntg-context@ntg.nl> wrote:

> Hello Luigi,
>
> you asked:
> > On Fri, Aug 27, 2021 at 10:35 AM Rainer J.H. Brandt via ntg-context <
> > ntg-context@ntg.nl> wrote:
> >
> > > Dear experts,
> > >
> > > I want to use ConTeXt MkIV as supplied by TeXlive 2021.
> > > After installation, I ran "mtxrun --generate".
> > > I also tried "context --generate".
> > > Both create output in the wrong place.
> > >
> > > The TeXlive documentation says that ConTeXt uses TEXMFCACHE,
> > > which uses the default $TEXMFSYSVAR;$TEXMFVAR in my texmf.cnf.
> > > My TEXMFSYSVAR is /var/opt/texlive, but ConTeXt doesn't use it.
> > > Instead, it creates /opt/texmf-var and creates its output there.
> > > I don't understand why it used that path; I've never used or configured
> > > it.
> > >
> > > How can I convice ConTeXt to use TEXMFSYSVAR?
> > > [...]
> >
> > What does
> > $> tlmgr conf
> > say ?
>
> The output is appended below and looks reasonable.  In particular, it shows
> that I installed under /opt/local/share/texlive and doesn't mention the
> "mtxrun --generate" output path /opt/texmf-var at all.
>
> Please note that I don't use tlmgr and also that I didn't use the TeX Live
> installer.  I built the binaries from their sources and then installed
> the rest from the texmf archive file. I use other engines on a daily basis,
> mostly pdflatex, and they work flawlessly.
>
> Thanks, Rainer
>
>
hm, my
$> mtxrun --variables
says
resolvers       | lists | TEXMFCACHE
resolvers       | lists |   env: unset
resolvers       | lists |   var: TEXMFCACHE
resolvers       | lists |   exp:
selfautoparent:texmf-var;home:.texlive2021/texmf-var

and it's ok. So perhaps  your selfautoparent it's not ok.


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Re: problem with MkIV/TeXlive/TEXMFCACHE

[Rainer J.H. Brandt via ntg-context]

luigi scarso via ntg-context writes:
> > > On Fri, Aug 27, 2021 at 10:35 AM Rainer J.H. Brandt via ntg-context <
> > > ntg-context@ntg.nl> wrote:
> > > > The TeXlive documentation says that ConTeXt uses TEXMFCACHE,
> > > > which uses the default $TEXMFSYSVAR;$TEXMFVAR in my texmf.cnf.
> > > > My TEXMFSYSVAR is /var/opt/texlive, but ConTeXt doesn't use it.
> >
> hm, my
> $> mtxrun --variables
> says
> resolvers       | lists | TEXMFCACHE
> resolvers       | lists |   env: unset
> resolvers       | lists |   var: TEXMFCACHE
> resolvers       | lists |   exp:
> selfautoparent:texmf-var;home:.texlive2021/texmf-var
> 
> and it's ok. So perhaps  your selfautoparent it's not ok.

I will check that.

But, as I said, my texmf.cnf sets TEXMFCACHE to $TEXMFSYSVAR;$TEXMFVAR,
and TEXMFSYSVAR is /var/opt/texlive.  Why is that ignored?

Thanks, Rainer
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Re: problem with MkIV/TeXlive/TEXMFCACHE

[Arthur Rosendahl via ntg-context]

On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 12:48:05PM +0200, Rainer J.H. Brandt via ntg-context wrote:
> But, as I said, my texmf.cnf sets TEXMFCACHE to $TEXMFSYSVAR;$TEXMFVAR,
> and TEXMFSYSVAR is /var/opt/texlive.  Why is that ignored?

  Do you have write permission on that directory?

	Arthur
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Re: problem with MkIV/TeXlive/TEXMFCACHE

[Aditya Mahajan via ntg-context]

On Mon, 30 Aug 2021, Rainer J.H. Brandt via ntg-context wrote:

> But, as I said, my texmf.cnf sets TEXMFCACHE to $TEXMFSYSVAR;$TEXMFVAR,
> and TEXMFSYSVAR is /var/opt/texlive.  Why is that ignored?

mtxrun (and context MKIV and LMTX) do not read texmf.cnf rather read values from contextcnf.lua (it used to be texmfcnf.lua, not sure how TL handles this).

You can also try setting it explicitly in the shell:

$ TEXMFCACHE=/var/opt/texlive/texmf-cache mtxrun --generate

Aditya
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Re: problem with MkIV/TeXlive/TEXMFCACHE

[luigi scarso via ntg-context]

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On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 12:48 PM Rainer J.H. Brandt via ntg-context <
ntg-context@ntg.nl> wrote:

> luigi scarso via ntg-context writes:
> > > > On Fri, Aug 27, 2021 at 10:35 AM Rainer J.H. Brandt via ntg-context <
> > > > ntg-context@ntg.nl> wrote:
> > > > > The TeXlive documentation says that ConTeXt uses TEXMFCACHE,
> > > > > which uses the default $TEXMFSYSVAR;$TEXMFVAR in my texmf.cnf.
> > > > > My TEXMFSYSVAR is /var/opt/texlive, but ConTeXt doesn't use it.
> > >
> > hm, my
> > $> mtxrun --variables
> > says
> > resolvers       | lists | TEXMFCACHE
> > resolvers       | lists |   env: unset
> > resolvers       | lists |   var: TEXMFCACHE
> > resolvers       | lists |   exp:
> > selfautoparent:texmf-var;home:.texlive2021/texmf-var
> >
> > and it's ok. So perhaps  your selfautoparent it's not ok.
>
> I will check that.
>
> But, as I said, my texmf.cnf sets TEXMFCACHE to $TEXMFSYSVAR;$TEXMFVAR,
> and TEXMFSYSVAR is /var/opt/texlive.  Why is that ignored?
>

look at
 texmfcnf.lua

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Re: problem with MkIV/TeXlive/TEXMFCACHE

[Rainer J.H. Brandt via ntg-context]

Arthur Rosendahl writes:
> On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 12:48:05PM +0200, Rainer J.H. Brandt via ntg-context wrote:
> > But, as I said, my texmf.cnf sets TEXMFCACHE to $TEXMFSYSVAR;$TEXMFVAR,
> > and TEXMFSYSVAR is /var/opt/texlive.  Why is that ignored?
> 
>   Do you have write permission on that directory?

Yes and no.  I'm trying to set up a multi-user environment, and
/var/opt/texlive is owned by the software owner.  Nobody else may write
there.  I ran "mtxrun --generate" while being that software owner.
(I'm used to doing it this way for other engines.)

I want to configure the system so that everybody may use contents from
TEXMFSYSVAR, but optionally uses an additional personal directory.

I don't know if this makes sense in the case of luatex-cache, but had
thought so.

Thanks, Rainer
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Re: problem with MkIV/TeXlive/TEXMFCACHE

[Rainer J.H. Brandt via ntg-context]

Aditya Mahajan via ntg-context writes:
> On Mon, 30 Aug 2021, Rainer J.H. Brandt via ntg-context wrote:
> 
> > But, as I said, my texmf.cnf sets TEXMFCACHE to $TEXMFSYSVAR;$TEXMFVAR,
> > and TEXMFSYSVAR is /var/opt/texlive.  Why is that ignored?
> 
> mtxrun (and context MKIV and LMTX) do not read texmf.cnf rather read values from contextcnf.lua (it used to be texmfcnf.lua, not sure how TL handles this).

Thanks a lot.  That put me on the right track.  I see that this file is
mentioned on the wiki, but I hadn't recognized its importance.

I have found and edited texmfcnf.lua, and made progress.

> You can also try setting it explicitly in the shell:
> 
> $ TEXMFCACHE=/var/opt/texlive/texmf-cache mtxrun --generate

I tried to avoid that, and thanks to your pointer above, won't need that.

However, I'm still not completely happy:  I've set TEXMFCACHE to contain
/var/opt/texlive first and then also an individual directory under $HOME.
When I run context under my personal account, it only uses the second.
I assume that's because I may not write under the first.  There's a comment
in texmfcnf.lua about that.

Does it perhaps make no sense at all to have a system-wide luatex-cache?

Thank you,
Rainer
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