From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/113558 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Aditya Mahajan via ntg-context Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: Typographical quotes Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2021 15:48:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: References: <136BE8B2-52EF-4EEE-8343-5A3E62CA9DCA@centralesupelec.fr> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="8323329-1434174424-1638046119=:1710690" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="18138"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Alpine 2.23 (LNX 453 2020-06-18) Cc: Aditya Mahajan To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Sat Nov 27 21:49:24 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from zapf.boekplan.nl ([5.39.185.232] helo=zapf.ntg.nl) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mr4dP-0004S4-R0 for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 27 Nov 2021 21:49:23 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zapf.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AEEB28963B; Sat, 27 Nov 2021 21:48:52 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at zapf.boekplan.nl Original-Received: from zapf.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zapf.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Vsy52OceGkoJ; Sat, 27 Nov 2021 21:48:49 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from zapf.ntg.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zapf.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21D8B2896C0; Sat, 27 Nov 2021 21:48:49 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zapf.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3F1D28967B for ; Sat, 27 Nov 2021 21:48:47 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at zapf.boekplan.nl Original-Received: from zapf.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zapf.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cTA7xIINeIBe for ; Sat, 27 Nov 2021 21:48:47 +0100 (CET) Received-SPF: Softfail (mailfrom) identity=mailfrom; client-ip=132.206.73.2; helo=orford.cim.mcgill.ca; envelope-from=adityam@umich.edu; receiver= Original-Received: from orford.cim.mcgill.ca (smtp.cim.mcgill.ca [132.206.73.2]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by zapf.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DD75128963B for ; Sat, 27 Nov 2021 21:48:46 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from adi-thinkpad.local (135-23-198-80.cpe.pppoe.ca [135.23.198.80]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: adityam) by orford.cim.mcgill.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9E33611BE24 for ; Sat, 27 Nov 2021 15:48:43 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Original-Sender: "ntg-context" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.comp.tex.context:113558 Archived-At: This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --8323329-1434174424-1638046119=:1710690 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE On Sat, 27 Nov 2021, Hans Hagen wrote: > On 11/27/2021 6:40 PM, Aditya Mahajan via ntg-context wrote: > > On Sat, 27 Nov 2021, Wolfgang Schuster via ntg-context wrote: > >=20 > > > Jean-Philippe Rey via ntg-context schrieb am 27.11.2021 um 16:21: > > > > Dear list, > > > >=20 > > > > When typing a straight quotation mark, I used to get a curly apostr= ophe. > > > > But > > > with a recent version of ConTeXt, I now get a straight apostrophe. Is > > > there a > > > new option to convert automatically straight into curly apostrophes ? > > > >=20 > > > > \starttext > > > > John's > > > > \stoptext > > >=20 > > > The option is no longer part of the default feature set. > >=20 > > Personally, I think that that is a bit extreme. An apostrophe is a real= ly > > common construct and I suspect that this change in default will mean th= at > > almost everyone needs to add tlig in their documents. We may perhaps ne= ed a > > 'sensible-defaults' module :-) > we entered the unicode world and left ascii space so for instance the ugl= y > enter `` '' and expect english double quotes is also a not-done now, nor = are > !` and ?` for the spacing rotated ! and ?; i can't find the font right no= w but > there were with interesting space-something ligatures that only didn't sh= ow up > because tex has no space. I am okay with removing all these vestiges of TeX. But, I still think that = the following should work okay: Let's try blah blah ... I could have entered it as Let=E2=80=99s try blah blah .. but it is not that natural to me.=20 > now, there are more tex traditions that context doesn't support; take thi= s > plain definition (there are many) dedicated to math users: I am not opposed to remove 8bit TeX hacks. I was simply objecting for remov= ing the apostrophe mapping. For example, you used it in the sentence above = (in =E2=80=9Cdon't=E2=80=9D)! > Anyway, it's easier to enabel a feature that to disable one when side eff= ects > of font handling kicks in happen. I agree. Maybe I'll just add a imap in vim to map ' to =E2=80=99 and forget= about it.... 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