strutted pars?

strutted pars?

[Idris Samawi Hamid]

Dear gang,

We can use \struttedbox to force an eg, large expression to obey the  
surrounding interlinespace:

=======================
{blah blah \struttedbox{\tfc blah blah}} blah blah blah blah blah blah  
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah  
\struttedbox{\tfc blah blah}} blah blah blah blah blah blah
=======================

but this has the drawback that the box cannot be broken across lines. Is  
there a way to force the interlinespace to remain constant and ignore the  
size of grouped insertions with big font sizes?

Best wishes
Idris

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Re: strutted pars?

[Hans Hagen]

Idris Samawi Hamid wrote:
> Dear gang,
> 
> We can use \struttedbox to force an eg, large expression to obey the  
> surrounding interlinespace:
> 
> =======================
> {blah blah \struttedbox{\tfc blah blah}} blah blah blah blah blah blah  
> blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah  
> \struttedbox{\tfc blah blah}} blah blah blah blah blah blah
> =======================
> 
> but this has the drawback that the box cannot be broken across lines. Is  
> there a way to force the interlinespace to remain constant and ignore the  
> size of grouped insertions with big font sizes?

\dontleavehmode \begstrut bla bla \endstrut \par

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Re: strutted pars?

[Taco Hoekwater]

Idris Samawi Hamid wrote:
> Dear gang,
> 
> We can use \struttedbox to force an eg, large expression to obey the  
> surrounding interlinespace:
> 
> =======================
> {blah blah \struttedbox{\tfc blah blah}} blah blah blah blah blah blah  
> blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah  
> \struttedbox{\tfc blah blah}} blah blah blah blah blah blah
> =======================

That was a bad example, just try it :-)

> but this has the drawback that the box cannot be broken across lines. Is  
> there a way to force the interlinespace to remain constant and ignore the  
> size of grouped insertions with big font sizes?

Are you talking about a controlled environment here? In the general
case, this can't be done. But if you have a chuck of well-controlled
text, there is a trick:

\lineskiplimit=-10000pt
blaq blaq {\tfc blaq blaq} blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq
blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq
{\tfc blaq blaq} blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq


Best wishes,
Taco
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Re: strutted pars?

[Wolfgang Schuster]

On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 14:20:22 -0700
"Idris Samawi Hamid" <ishamid@colostate.edu> wrote:

> Dear gang,
> 
> We can use \struttedbox to force an eg, large expression to obey the  
> surrounding interlinespace:
> 
> =======================
> {blah blah \struttedbox{\tfc blah blah}} blah blah blah blah blah blah  
> blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah  
> \struttedbox{\tfc blah blah}} blah blah blah blah blah blah
> =======================
> 
> but this has the drawback that the box cannot be broken across lines. Is  
> there a way to force the interlinespace to remain constant and ignore the  
> size of grouped insertions with big font sizes?
> 
> Best wishes
> Idris

\starttext

%\lineskiplimit=0pt
\lineskip=0pt

blah blah {\tfc blah blah} blah blah blah blah blah blah
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
{\tfc blah blah} blah blah blah blah blah blah

\stoptext

Is this what you want?

Wolfgang
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Re: strutted pars?

[Idris Samawi Hamid]

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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 01:28:23 -0700, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:

> \dontleavehmode \begstrut bla bla \endstrut \par

On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 01:40:50 -0700, Taco Hoekwater <taco@elvenkind.com>  
wrote:

> That was a bad example, just try it :-)

Ok, better example attached :-)

> But if you have a chuck of well-controlled text, there is a trick:

> \lineskiplimit=-10000pt
> blaq blaq {\tfc blaq blaq} blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq
> blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq
> {\tfc blaq blaq} blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq

On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 01:41:35 -0700, Wolfgang Schuster  
<schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com> wrote:

> %\lineskiplimit=0pt
> \lineskip=0pt
>
> blah blah {\tfc blah blah} blah blah blah blah blah blah
> blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
> {\tfc blah blah} blah blah blah blah blah blah

I have attached a file and pdf that illustrate all four scenarios; none of  
the above solutions seems to work, but maybe I need to tinker with the  
def's in test-strut.tex.

For my purposes Hans' approach is the most useful (if we can make it work)  
because otherwise it makes me have to do more copy-editing of paragraphs  
and I might miss some (based on Taco's observation it is probably not wise  
to make this global).

Best wishes
Idris

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Re: strutted pars?

[Taco Hoekwater]

Idris Samawi Hamid wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 01:28:23 -0700, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:
> 
>> \dontleavehmode \begstrut bla bla \endstrut \par
> 
> On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 01:40:50 -0700, Taco Hoekwater <taco@elvenkind.com> 
> wrote:
> 
>> That was a bad example, just try it :-)
> 
> Ok, better example attached :-)

There should be a \par or empty line before those \stop commands,
otherwise none of the paragraph-based tricks work.

Best wishes,
Taco


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Re: strutted pars?

[Idris Samawi Hamid]

On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 09:07:39 -0700, Taco Hoekwater <taco@elvenkind.com>  
wrote:

> There should be a \par or empty line before those \stop commands,
> otherwise none of the paragraph-based tricks work.

Ok, yours works now, but not Wolfgang's or Hans'. Wolfgang's is  
essentially the same idea as yours so that's fine but if we could just get  
the Hans approach to work...

Best wishes
Idris

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Re: strutted pars?

[Hans Hagen]

Idris Samawi Hamid wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 09:07:39 -0700, Taco Hoekwater <taco@elvenkind.com>  
> wrote:
> 
>> There should be a \par or empty line before those \stop commands,
>> otherwise none of the paragraph-based tricks work.
> 
> Ok, yours works now, but not Wolfgang's or Hans'. Wolfgang's is  
> essentially the same idea as yours so that's fine but if we could just get  
> the Hans approach to work...

\unexpanded\def\Idrisized#1%
   {\begingroup
    \let\processword\struttedbox
    \processwords{#1}%
    \endgroup}

blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq \Idrisized{\tfc blaq blaq blaq
blaq blaq blaq} blaq blaq blaq blaq \Idrisized{\tfc blaq blaq} blaq blaq
blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq  blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq
blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq

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Re: strutted pars?

[Idris Samawi Hamid]

On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 09:39:56 -0700, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:

> \unexpanded\def\Idrisized#1%
>    {\begingroup
>     \let\processword\struttedbox
>     \processwords{#1}%
>     \endgroup}
> blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq \Idrisized{\tfc blaq blaq blaq
> blaq blaq blaq} blaq blaq blaq blaq \Idrisized{\tfc blaq blaq} blaq blaq
> blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq  blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq
> blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq

Thank you a million, Hans!

And thank you, Taco and Wolfgang, for enriching my bag of tricks. You are  
all the best!

Best wishes
Idris

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Re: strutted pars?

[Idris Samawi Hamid]

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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 09:39:56 -0700, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:

> \unexpanded\def\Idrisized#1%
>    {\begingroup
>     \let\processword\struttedbox
>     \processwords{#1}%
>     \endgroup}
> blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq \Idrisized{\tfc blaq blaq blaq
> blaq blaq blaq} blaq blaq blaq blaq \Idrisized{\tfc blaq blaq} blaq blaq
> blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq  blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq
> blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq

Hmm, there is a bug, unfortunately: Only the first word in #1 is  
processed, the rest are ignored. Adding grouping causes the argument to be  
treated as a box and the desired effect is lost. (pdf attached).

Best
Idris

=====================================
% engine=luatex

\starttext

  \start

\unexpanded\def\Idrisized#1%
    {\begingroup
     \let\processword\struttedbox
     \processwords{#1}%
     \endgroup}

blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq \Idrisized{\tfc blaq blaq blaq
blaq blaq blaq} blaq blaq blaq blaq \Idrisized{\tfc blaq blaq} blaq blaq
blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq  blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq
blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq

\blank

blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq \Idrisized{{\tfc blaq blaq blaq
blaq blaq blaq}} blaq blaq blaq blaq \Idrisized{{\tfc blaq blaq}} blaq blaq
blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq  blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq
blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq

  \stop

\stoptext
=====================================

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Re: strutted pars?

[Hans Hagen]

Idris Samawi Hamid wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 09:39:56 -0700, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:
> 
>> \unexpanded\def\Idrisized#1%
>>    {\begingroup
>>     \let\processword\struttedbox
>>     \processwords{#1}%
>>     \endgroup}
>> blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq \Idrisized{\tfc blaq blaq blaq
>> blaq blaq blaq} blaq blaq blaq blaq \Idrisized{\tfc blaq blaq} blaq blaq
>> blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq  blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq
>> blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq
> 
> Hmm, there is a bug, unfortunately: Only the first word in #1 is 
> processed, the rest are ignored. Adding grouping causes the argument to 
> be treated as a box and the desired effect is lost. (pdf attached).

\unexpanded\def\Idrisized#1#2%
    {\begingroup#1%
     \let\processword\struttedbox
     \processwords{#2}%
     \endgroup}

blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq \Idrisized\tfb{blaq blaq blaq
blaq blaq blaq} blaq blaq blaq blaq \Idrisized\tfb{blaq blaq} blaq blaq
blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq  blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq
blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq


> Best
> Idris
> 
> =====================================
> % engine=luatex
> 
> \starttext
> 
>  \start
> 
> \unexpanded\def\Idrisized#1%
>    {\begingroup
>     \let\processword\struttedbox
>     \processwords{#1}%
>     \endgroup}
> 
> blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq \Idrisized{\tfc blaq blaq blaq
> blaq blaq blaq} blaq blaq blaq blaq \Idrisized{\tfc blaq blaq} blaq blaq
> blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq  blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq
> blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq
> 
> \blank
> 
> blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq \Idrisized{{\tfc blaq blaq blaq
> blaq blaq blaq}} blaq blaq blaq blaq \Idrisized{{\tfc blaq blaq}} blaq blaq
> blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq  blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq
> blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq blaq
> 
>  \stop
> 
> \stoptext
> =====================================
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
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Re: strutted pars?

[Idris Samawi Hamid]

On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 13:34:00 -0700, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:

> \unexpanded\def\Idrisized#1#2%
>     {\begingroup#1%
>      \let\processword\struttedbox
>      \processwords{#2}%
>      \endgroup}

Ok, thanks a lot!

Best
Idris

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