* old style nums @ 2007-12-31 8:50 Idris Samawi Hamid 2008-01-01 23:09 ` Wolfgang Schuster 0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread From: Idris Samawi Hamid @ 2007-12-31 8:50 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context Dear gang, What is the official way to get old style numerals in 11pt in mkiv? I'm just using lm. Thnx in advance! Best Idris -- Professor Idris Samawi Hamid, Editor-in-Chief International Journal of Shi`i Studies Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: old style nums 2007-12-31 8:50 old style nums Idris Samawi Hamid @ 2008-01-01 23:09 ` Wolfgang Schuster 2008-01-02 2:56 ` Idris Samawi Hamid 0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread From: Wolfgang Schuster @ 2008-01-01 23:09 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 01:50:04 -0700 "Idris Samawi Hamid" <ishamid@colostate.edu> wrote: > Dear gang, > > What is the official way to get old style numerals in 11pt in mkiv? I'm > just using lm. It depends what do you want to achieve, local changes can be done with \os, but this will use numbers from the math font. Mark IV has a new the new option "fontfeatures" and you can use this to get the oldstyle numbers from the latin modern OT fonts. Option one is to redefine \os to use the numbers from the main font, you have to put the following command in your document, \def\os{\setfontfeature{oldstyle}}, option two is to write \setfontfeature{oldstyle} in the preamble of your document and ConTeXt use oldstyle numbers by default if present in the current font. There is currently no better way to enable oldstyle number for the whole document except you define your own typescripts and use them. > Thnx in advance! > > Best > Idris Wolfgang ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: old style nums 2008-01-01 23:09 ` Wolfgang Schuster @ 2008-01-02 2:56 ` Idris Samawi Hamid 2008-01-02 8:37 ` Wolfgang Schuster 0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread From: Idris Samawi Hamid @ 2008-01-02 2:56 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1981 bytes --] Hi Wolfgang, On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 16:09:16 -0700, Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com> wrote: >> What is the official way to get old style numerals in 11pt in mkiv? I'm >> just using lm. > > It depends what do you want to achieve, local changes can be done with > \os, but this will use numbers from the math font. That's exactly why \os is almost useless (it messes up itemizations and other stuff); better to \switchtotypeface, even for local changes. > option two is to write > \setfontfeature{oldstyle} in the preamble of your document and ConTeXt > use oldstyle numbers by default if present in the current font. You also have to define "oldstyle" :-) ========================================== % engine=luatex \definefontfeature [oldstyle] [mode=node,language=dflt,script=latn,onum=yes,tnum=yes] \setfontfeature{oldstyle} \starttext 1234567890 \stoptext ========================================== > There is currently no better way to enable oldstyle number for the > whole document except you define your own typescripts and use them. I spent hours today writing and debugging a huge typescript for lm (all those optical sizes, since i could not for the life of me get it to piggy-back the def's in type-siz). I just got it working flawlessly a few minutes ago -- sublime, a work of art even -- then I get your message which would have saved me hours of work! I just needed that one command!!! You're an angel, just wish I got this this morning ;-) Best wishes Idris PS Note that tnum (tabular version) looks better than onum alone, but is a function of onum in the font so cannot be invoked unless onum is invoked first. -- Professor Idris Samawi Hamid, Editor-in-Chief International Journal of Shi`i Studies Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ [-- Attachment #2: type-lmos.tex --] [-- Type: application/x-tex, Size: 9015 bytes --] [-- Attachment #3: test-lmos.tex --] [-- Type: application/x-tex, Size: 2816 bytes --] [-- Attachment #4: Type: text/plain, Size: 487 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: old style nums 2008-01-02 2:56 ` Idris Samawi Hamid @ 2008-01-02 8:37 ` Wolfgang Schuster 2008-01-02 14:40 ` Idris Samawi Hamid 0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread From: Wolfgang Schuster @ 2008-01-02 8:37 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 19:56:10 -0700 "Idris Samawi Hamid" <ishamid@colostate.edu> wrote: > Hi Wolfgang, > > On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 16:09:16 -0700, Wolfgang Schuster > <schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com> wrote: > > >> What is the official way to get old style numerals in 11pt in mkiv? I'm > >> just using lm. > > > > It depends what do you want to achieve, local changes can be done with > > \os, but this will use numbers from the math font. > > That's exactly why \os is almost useless (it messes up itemizations and > other stuff); better to \switchtotypeface, even for local changes. > > > option two is to write > > \setfontfeature{oldstyle} in the preamble of your document and ConTeXt > > use oldstyle numbers by default if present in the current font. > > You also have to define "oldstyle" :-) No, you don't have to, because oldstyle is predefined in type-ini.tex, two other predefined fontfeatures are "default" and "smallcaps" :-) > ========================================== > % engine=luatex > > \definefontfeature > [oldstyle] > [mode=node,language=dflt,script=latn,onum=yes,tnum=yes] > > \setfontfeature{oldstyle} > > \starttext > > 1234567890 > > \stoptext > ========================================== > > > There is currently no better way to enable oldstyle number for the > > whole document except you define your own typescripts and use them. > > I spent hours today writing and debugging a huge typescript for lm (all > those optical sizes, since i could not for the life of me get it to > piggy-back the def's in type-siz). I just got it working flawlessly a few > minutes ago -- sublime, a work of art even -- then I get your message > which would have saved me hours of work! I just needed that one command!!! > > You're an angel, just wish I got this this morning ;-) > > Best wishes > Idris > > PS Note that tnum (tabular version) looks better than onum alone, but is a > function of onum in the font so cannot be invoked unless onum is invoked > first. \definefontfeature[onum][onum=yes] \definefontfeature[lnum][lnum=yes] \definefontfeature[tnum][tnum=yes,onum=yes] \definefontfeature[pnum][pnum=yes] \starttext \setfontfeature{onum}123456789\par \setfontfeature{lnum}123456789\par \setfontfeature{tnum}123456789\par \setfontfeature{pnum}123456789\par \stoptext Wolfgang ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: old style nums 2008-01-02 8:37 ` Wolfgang Schuster @ 2008-01-02 14:40 ` Idris Samawi Hamid 2008-01-02 15:05 ` Wolfgang Schuster 2008-01-02 15:06 ` Taco Hoekwater 0 siblings, 2 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: Idris Samawi Hamid @ 2008-01-02 14:40 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 01:37:08 -0700, Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com> wrote: >> You also have to define "oldstyle" :-) > > No, you don't have to, because oldstyle is predefined in type-ini.tex, > two other predefined fontfeatures are "default" and "smallcaps" :-) Did you try it? worketh not ;-) >> ========================================== % engine=luatex \setfontfeature{oldstyle} \starttext test 1234567890 \stoptext >> ========================================== >> >> > There is currently no better way to enable oldstyle number for the >> > whole document except you define your own typescripts and use them. >> >> I spent hours today writing and debugging a huge typescript for lm (all >> those optical sizes, since i could not for the life of me get it to >> piggy-back the def's in type-siz). I just got it working flawlessly a >> few >> minutes ago -- sublime, a work of art even -- then I get your message >> which would have saved me hours of work! I just needed that one >> command!!! >> >> You're an angel, just wish I got this this morning ;-) >> >> Best wishes >> Idris >> >> PS Note that tnum (tabular version) looks better than onum alone, but >> is a >> function of onum in the font so cannot be invoked unless onum is invoked >> first. > \definefontfeature[tnum][tnum=yes,onum=yes] Hmm, I assumed the order would be [onum=yes,tnum=yes], or does the order not matter? Best wishes Idris -- Professor Idris Samawi Hamid, Editor-in-Chief International Journal of Shi`i Studies Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: old style nums 2008-01-02 14:40 ` Idris Samawi Hamid @ 2008-01-02 15:05 ` Wolfgang Schuster 2008-01-02 15:06 ` Taco Hoekwater 1 sibling, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: Wolfgang Schuster @ 2008-01-02 15:05 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 07:40:33 -0700 "Idris Samawi Hamid" <ishamid@colostate.edu> wrote: > On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 01:37:08 -0700, Wolfgang Schuster > <schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com> wrote: > > >> You also have to define "oldstyle" :-) > > > > No, you don't have to, because oldstyle is predefined in type-ini.tex, > > two other predefined fontfeatures are "default" and "smallcaps" :-) > > Did you try it? worketh not ;-) It did work for me but I got a error message for the next line, <errormessage> error: ...2tex/share/texmf-local/tex/context/base/font-otf.lua:2018: attempt to index field 'description' (a nil value) . l.12 ? </errormessage> My testfile: 01 % engine=luatex 02 03 \definefontfeature 04 [oldstyle] 05 [liga=yes,kern=yes,tlig=yes,trep=yes,onum=yes] % texligatures=yes,texquotes=yes 06 07 \setfontfeature{oldstyle} 08 09 \starttext 10 11 123456789 12 13 \stoptext I could set "tlig=no" and the error message vanishes. > >> ========================================== > % engine=luatex > > \setfontfeature{oldstyle} > > \starttext > > test > > 1234567890 > > \stoptext > >> PS Note that tnum (tabular version) looks better than onum alone, but > >> is a > >> function of onum in the font so cannot be invoked unless onum is invoked > >> first. > > > \definefontfeature[tnum][tnum=yes,onum=yes] > > Hmm, I assumed the order would be [onum=yes,tnum=yes], or does the order > not matter? I think not in this case, but a few OpenType features disable other (e.g. onum and lnum) and the order could be in souch a case. Wolfgang ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: old style nums 2008-01-02 14:40 ` Idris Samawi Hamid 2008-01-02 15:05 ` Wolfgang Schuster @ 2008-01-02 15:06 ` Taco Hoekwater 1 sibling, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: Taco Hoekwater @ 2008-01-02 15:06 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Idris Samawi Hamid wrote: > On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 01:37:08 -0700, Wolfgang Schuster > <schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com> wrote: > >>> You also have to define "oldstyle" :-) >> No, you don't have to, because oldstyle is predefined in type-ini.tex, >> two other predefined fontfeatures are "default" and "smallcaps" :-) > > Did you try it? worketh not ;-) >>> ========================================== > % engine=luatex > > \setfontfeature{oldstyle} > > \starttext > > test > > 1234567890 > > \stoptext Possibly because the predefined one does not have "mode=node", which seems important. I get: error: /opt/tex/texmf-local/tex/context/base/font-otf.lua:2019: attempt to index field 'description' (a nil value) followed by an assertion error. Best wishes, Taco ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
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