On tikz

On tikz

[Idris Samawi Hamid]

A note to the gang:

Although the manual indicates otherwise the tikz module apparently needs  
the keyval package to work:

http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/xkeyval/

and the directory structure of the zip needs to be changed so that it's  
easier to install (just dumping into /texmf-local and running mktexlsr  
does not work). Maybe someone on the wiki can make ConTeXt packages?

Best
Idris

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Re: On tikz

[Thomas A. Schmitz]

On Feb 21, 2007, at 9:44 PM, Idris Samawi Hamid wrote:

> A note to the gang:
>
> Although the manual indicates otherwise the tikz module apparently  
> needs
> the keyval package to work:
>
> http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/xkeyval/
>
> and the directory structure of the zip needs to be changed so that  
> it's
> easier to install (just dumping into /texmf-local and running mktexlsr
> does not work). Maybe someone on the wiki can make ConTeXt packages?
>
> Best
> Idris

tikz (and xkeyval) is part of  TeXLive 2007, which just came out, so  
you don't need to install anything, it just works "out of the box."

HTH

Thomas

Re: On tikz

[Idris Samawi Hamid]

On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 13:49:27 -0700, Thomas A. Schmitz  
<thomas.schmitz@uni-bonn.de> wrote:

>
> On Feb 21, 2007, at 9:44 PM, Idris Samawi Hamid wrote:
>
>> A note to the gang:
>>
>> Although the manual indicates otherwise the tikz module apparently
>> needs
>> the keyval package to work:
>>
>> http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/xkeyval/
>>
>> and the directory structure of the zip needs to be changed so that
>> it's
>> easier to install (just dumping into /texmf-local and running mktexlsr
>> does not work). Maybe someone on the wiki can make ConTeXt packages?
>>
>> Best
>> Idris
>
> tikz (and xkeyval) is part of  TeXLive 2007, which just came out, so
> you don't need to install anything, it just works "out of the box."

Ahh, but I just use mswincontext, no TeXLive, so install I must ;-)

Idris

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Re: On tikz

[Thomas A. Schmitz]

On Feb 21, 2007, at 10:04 PM, Idris Samawi Hamid wrote:

> Ahh, but I just use mswincontext, no TeXLive, so install I must ;-)
>
> Idris
>

What an excellent occasion to switch to something more standard ;-))

Thomas

Re: tex live and context

[Idris Samawi Hamid]

[redirected from Re: [NTG-context] On tikz]

Hi Thomas,

On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 14:16:16 -0700, Thomas A. Schmitz  
<thomas.schmitz@uni-bonn.de> wrote:

> On Feb 21, 2007, at 10:04 PM, Idris Samawi Hamid wrote:
>
>> Ahh, but I just use mswincontext, no TeXLive, so install I must ;-)
>
> What an excellent occasion to switch to something more standard ;-))

On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 02:58:06 -0700, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:

> Hans Hagen wrote:

>> TeX Live ships with incomplete map files.
>>
> after some testing taco and i found out that tl has recent map files but  
> that there's a problem with rsync and time outs on large trees, which is  
> why my local texlive copy is incomplete; so, it mostly depends on what  
> snapshot one uses

This is exactly why I stick with mswincontext.zip, to avoid headaches like  
this ;-)

Idris

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Re: tex live and context

[Thomas A. Schmitz]

On Feb 22, 2007, at 5:40 PM, Idris Samawi Hamid wrote:

>> after some testing taco and i found out that tl has recent map  
>> files but
>> that there's a problem with rsync and time outs on large trees,  
>> which is
>> why my local texlive copy is incomplete; so, it mostly depends on  
>> what
>> snapshot one uses
>
> This is exactly why I stick with mswincontext.zip, to avoid  
> headaches like
> this ;-)
>
> Idris

Idris,

I sympathize, but I think you're a bit unfair here. If I understand  
Hans's mail right, he was not installing from the image, but rsyncing  
his trees with TeXLive, and that's where the error was. I've been  
running the development version for at least three months now (even  
when it still was called 2006...) and haven't had any troubles,  
especially wrt to fonts and packages. On a linux or OS X box, I would  
even recommend installing it alongside the minimal and switch between  
them to test things, but I have no idea if/how this is possible on  
winblows.

Best

Thomas

Re: tex live and context

[luigi scarso]

> especially wrt to fonts and packages. On a linux or OS X box, I would
> even recommend installing it alongside the minimal and switch between
> them to test things, but I have no idea if/how this is possible on
> winblows.
I would like to test this texlive edition: how can i do (I'm using
linux ubuntu) ?

Re: tex live and context

[Thomas A. Schmitz]

On Feb 22, 2007, at 6:17 PM, luigi scarso wrote:

> I would like to test this texlive edition: how can i do (I'm using
> linux ubuntu) ?

Luigi,

you can download the compressed iso image at a CTAN mirror under / 
systems/texlive/Images. It's 935 MB, so if you're on a slow  
connection, you'll be back next week...

Then, refer to the installation instructions on the wiki: http:// 
wiki.contextgarden.net/TeX-live

The most important thing is that after installation (befor you try to  
build the formats etc.), you should make sure that the new binaries  
come in your $PATH before anything else, so something like
export PATH="/usr/local/texlive/2007/bin/i386-linux $PATH"
should get you going.

Once that is done, everything else is almost automatic: the  
kpathsearch library will find the other parts of the TeX installation  
relative to the place where its own binaries are, so when you invoke  
fmtutil-sys --all, all the format files will be placed in the new  
trees. If you decide you want to revert to your old system, simply  
remove /usr/local/texlive/2007/bin/i386-linux from your path again. I  
hope I'm not forgetting anything important...

Thomas

Re: tex live and context

[luigi scarso]

> Luigi,
>
> you can download the compressed iso image at a CTAN mirror under ...
ok, thank you very much.

Re: tex live and context

[Hans Hagen]

luigi scarso wrote:
>> especially wrt to fonts and packages. On a linux or OS X box, I would
>> even recommend installing it alongside the minimal and switch between
>> them to test things, but I have no idea if/how this is possible on
>> winblows.
>>     
> I would like to test this texlive edition: how can i do (I'm using
> linux ubuntu) ?
>   
since syncing can be a proble, probably the best way is to download the iso image; here i never bother with installation script, i just copy the trees to one texmf tree; i use my own txmf.cnf file because i want extra trees (texmf-fonts, my dev paths, write18, etc) so i cannot check that part  

Hans 

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Re: tex live and context

[Hans Hagen]

luigi scarso wrote:
>> especially wrt to fonts and packages. On a linux or OS X box, I would
>> even recommend installing it alongside the minimal and switch between
>> them to test things, but I have no idea if/how this is possible on
>> winblows.
>>     
> I would like to test this texlive edition: how can i do (I'm using
> linux ubuntu) ?
>   
btw, it's one of the (many) reasons to be a user group member .. then you'll get it in your mailbox -) 

Hans 

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Re: tex live and context

[Idris Samawi Hamid]

Hi Thomas,

On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 09:57:26 -0700, Thomas A. Schmitz  
<thomas.schmitz@uni-bonn.de> wrote:

> On Feb 22, 2007, at 5:40 PM, Idris Samawi Hamid wrote:
>
>>> after some testing taco and i found out that tl has recent map
>>> files but
>>> that there's a problem with rsync and time outs on large trees,
>>> which is
>>> why my local texlive copy is incomplete; so, it mostly depends on
>>> what
>>> snapshot one uses
>>
>> This is exactly why I stick with mswincontext.zip, to avoid
>> headaches like
>> this ;-)

> I sympathize, but I think you're a bit unfair here. If I understand
> Hans's mail right, he was not installing from the image, but rsyncing
> his trees with TeXLive, and that's where the error was. I've been
> running the development version for at least three months now (even
> when it still was called 2006...) and haven't had any troubles,
> especially wrt to fonts and packages.

Point taken, although for the record I finally abandoned TeXLive a couple  
of years ago or so because of headaches with getting ever-newer versions  
of ConTeXt working right, then there was aleph and...

> On a linux or OS X box, I would
> even recommend installing it alongside the minimal and switch between
> them to test things, but I have no idea if/how this is possible on
> winblows.

Well, there's setuptex.bat which allows this and I do have a XemTeX tree  
 from Fabrice. Maybe I'll update XemTeX and see what happens.

Best
Idris

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Re: tex live and context

[Peter Münster]

On Thu, 22 Feb 2007, Idris Samawi Hamid wrote:

> Point taken, although for the record I finally abandoned TeXLive a couple
> of years ago or so because of headaches with getting ever-newer versions
> of ConTeXt working right, then there was aleph and...

Hello Idris,

today I've just installed TeX-live on a new machine with just this command:
rpmbuild --rebuild --force http://pmrb.free.fr/texlive/texlive.nosrc.rpm

On such an installation I only need to execute "updateConTeXt.sh" to
update the ConTeXt-part when a new release comes out.

With a not too bad connection to the Internet and enough disk space, this
works quite well (no headaches!).

Cheers, Peter

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Re: tex live and context

[Sanjoy Mahajan]

> rpmbuild --rebuild --force http://pmrb.free.fr/texlive/texlive.nosrc.rpm

> With a not too bad connection to the Internet and enough disk space,
> this works quite well (no headaches!).

and maybe also with a very recent rpm.  Sadly, my rpm (v4.4.1 on
Ubuntu) segfaults with that command.  The bug is entered in the Redhat
bugzilla:

<https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=227333>

With rpm development happening again, hopefully it'll be fixed.  I
couldn't get a recent rpm to compile here in order to test whether
it's already fixed.

-Sanjoy

`Not all those who wander are lost.' (J.R.R. Tolkien)

Re: tex live and context

[Peter Münster]

On Thu, 22 Feb 2007, Sanjoy Mahajan wrote:

> > rpmbuild --rebuild --force http://pmrb.free.fr/texlive/texlive.nosrc.rpm
> 
> > With a not too bad connection to the Internet and enough disk space,
> > this works quite well (no headaches!).
> 
> and maybe also with a very recent rpm.  Sadly, my rpm (v4.4.1 on
> Ubuntu) segfaults with that command.  The bug is entered in the Redhat
> bugzilla:

Hello Sanjoy,
no problem with rpm-4.4.2 from 
http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-OSS-factory/inst-source/suse/

You could also try

cd /tmp
wget http://pmrb.free.fr/texlive/texlive.nosrc.rpm
rpmbuild --rebuild --force /tmp/texlive.nosrc.rpm

or:

cd /tmp
wget http://pmrb.free.fr/texlive/texlive.nosrc.rpm
rpm -i /tmp/texlive.nosrc.rpm
rpmbuild -bb --force /usr/src/packages/SPECS/texlive.spec

Does one of these alternatives work?

Cheers, Peter

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Re: tex live and context

[Hans Hagen]

Idris Samawi Hamid wrote:
> Hi Thomas,
>
> On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 09:57:26 -0700, Thomas A. Schmitz  
> <thomas.schmitz@uni-bonn.de> wrote:
>
>   
>> On Feb 22, 2007, at 5:40 PM, Idris Samawi Hamid wrote:
>>
>>     
>>>> after some testing taco and i found out that tl has recent map
>>>> files but
>>>> that there's a problem with rsync and time outs on large trees,
>>>> which is
>>>> why my local texlive copy is incomplete; so, it mostly depends on
>>>> what
>>>> snapshot one uses
>>>>         
>>> This is exactly why I stick with mswincontext.zip, to avoid
>>> headaches like
>>> this ;-)
>>>       
>
>   
>> I sympathize, but I think you're a bit unfair here. If I understand
>> Hans's mail right, he was not installing from the image, but rsyncing
>> his trees with TeXLive, and that's where the error was. I've been
>> running the development version for at least three months now (even
>> when it still was called 2006...) and haven't had any troubles,
>> especially wrt to fonts and packages.
>>     
>
> Point taken, although for the record I finally abandoned TeXLive a couple  
> of years ago or so because of headaches with getting ever-newer versions  
> of ConTeXt working right, then there was aleph and...
>   
if you don't need latex or else, the minimals are quite convenient, and 
when you also use scite, the mswintex one is even more convenient

going is step further ... some day you'll only need luatex.exe and 
context.zip

btw, i'll make new minimals one of these days
>   
>> On a linux or OS X box, I would
>> even recommend installing it alongside the minimal and switch between
>> them to test things, but I have no idea if/how this is possible on
>> winblows.
>>     
>
> Well, there's setuptex.bat which allows this and I do have a XemTeX tree  
>  from Fabrice. Maybe I'll update XemTeX and see what happens.
>
>   
i'm not sure if xemtex is up to date

Hans 

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Re: tex live and context

[Hans Hagen]

Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
> On Feb 22, 2007, at 5:40 PM, Idris Samawi Hamid wrote:
>
>   
>>> after some testing taco and i found out that tl has recent map  
>>> files but
>>> that there's a problem with rsync and time outs on large trees,  
>>> which is
>>> why my local texlive copy is incomplete; so, it mostly depends on  
>>> what
>>> snapshot one uses
>>>       
>> This is exactly why I stick with mswincontext.zip, to avoid  
>> headaches like
>> this ;-)
>>
>> Idris
>>     
>
> Idris,
>
> I sympathize, but I think you're a bit unfair here. If I understand  
> Hans's mail right, he was not installing from the image, but rsyncing  
> his trees with TeXLive, and that's where the error was. I've been  
> running the development version for at least three months now (even  
> when it still was called 2006...) and haven't had any troubles,  
> especially wrt to fonts and packages. On a linux or OS X box, I would  
> even recommend installing it alongside the minimal and switch between  
> them to test things, but I have no idea if/how this is possible on  
> winblows.
>   
here i use the tex live tree (actually a merge of all tex live texmf trees, and depending on what version i also merge in free but not free enough for tex live) 

from that i draw the minimals 

i use minimals for projects because they run faster (smaller trees) and because i then can add fonts without interference as well as use a frozen version of context 

problems with tex live can be in

- fonts 
- patterns 
- generic files 

not being there, or being changed without notice, or being non generic any longer ... i still have to test the upcoming version but the last couple of years there was always one problem (maybe this years problem is the marvisym thing); 

for this reason, context no longer uses generic code, ships with its own patern files, and when needed uses its own map files etc. As soon as we move to luatex, we no longer need tfm etc and yet another dependency is gone 

of course one should always be careful when combining a tex live with a context update (for instance, context will move to tex-gyre fonts as soon as possible so best keep that up to date as well)

Hans 


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PS

[Idris Samawi Hamid]

Hi,

I'm working on a crtical edition manual/module for ConTeXt. If you like I  
can keep you posted on its progress...

Best
Idris

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Re: PS

[Idris Samawi Hamid]

That was supposed to be off-list for Thomas but oh well...

On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 14:06:13 -0700, Idris Samawi Hamid  
<ishamid@colostate.edu> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm working on a crtical edition manual/module for ConTeXt. If you like I
> can keep you posted on its progress...
>
> Best
> Idris
>



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Department of Philosophy
Colorado State University
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Re: On tikz

[Willi Egger]

Hi,

Indeed it is best to unzip the pgf yip in a standalone folder.
I installed the context related material in the folder ../tex/context/ 
third/pgf
The rest went into ../tex/generic/pgf.
Beyond this you need to fetch the xkeyval package and put it into .../ 
tex/latex/xkeyval or similar.

After updating the filedatabase it should work.

Willi

On Feb 21, 2007, at 9:44 PM, Idris Samawi Hamid wrote:

> A note to the gang:
>
> Although the manual indicates otherwise the tikz module apparently  
> needs
> the keyval package to work:
>
> http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/xkeyval/
>
> and the directory structure of the zip needs to be changed so that  
> it's
> easier to install (just dumping into /texmf-local and running mktexlsr
> does not work). Maybe someone on the wiki can make ConTeXt packages?
>
> Best
> Idris
>
> -- 
> Professor Idris Samawi Hamid
> Department of Philosophy
> Colorado State University
> Fort Collins, CO 80523
>
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w.egger@boede.nl

Re: On tikz

[Idris Samawi Hamid]

On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 14:49:08 -0700, Willi Egger <w.egger@boede.nl> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Indeed it is best to unzip the pgf yip in a standalone folder.
> I installed the context related material in the folder ../tex/context/
> third/pgf
> The rest went into ../tex/generic/pgf.
> Beyond this you need to fetch the xkeyval package and put it into .../
> tex/latex/xkeyval or similar.
>
> After updating the filedatabase it should work.

That's about exactly what I did :-)

This really is  neat package, I'm already making and configuring trees...

Best
Idris

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Re: On tikz

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Wed, 21 Feb 2007, Idris Samawi Hamid wrote:

> On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 14:49:08 -0700, Willi Egger <w.egger@boede.nl> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Indeed it is best to unzip the pgf yip in a standalone folder.
>> I installed the context related material in the folder ../tex/context/
>> third/pgf
>> The rest went into ../tex/generic/pgf.
>> Beyond this you need to fetch the xkeyval package and put it into .../
>> tex/latex/xkeyval or similar.
>>
>> After updating the filedatabase it should work.
>
> That's about exactly what I did :-)
>
> This really is  neat package, I'm already making and configuring trees...

Also have a look at http://www.fauskes.net/pgftikzexamples/all/

Aditya

Re: On tikz

[luigi scarso]

> Also have a look at http://www.fauskes.net/pgftikzexamples/all/
bookmarked; a beatiful site.