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From: "Idris Samawi Hamid" <ishamid@colostate.edu>
To: "Mailing list for ConTeXt users" <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
Subject: Re: Luatex (actually Aleph) and Bidi_Mirrored chars	in RTL mode
Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 19:44:59 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <op.ucie49ymnx1yh1@your-b27fb1c401> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080610013600.GG18755@phare.normalesup.org>

Hi,

On Mon, 09 Jun 2008 19:36:00 -0600, Arthur Reutenauer  
<arthur.reutenauer@normalesup.org> wrote:

>> Also, we need not be too slavish: The Yudit author has pointed out areas
>> where the bidi algorithm makes no sense or is deficient:
>>
>> http://www.yudit.org/bidi/surprise.html
>
>   To be honest, this page dates back to half a dozen years ago and
> reflects Gáspár Sinai's positions at that time; there are hints that he
> has changed his mind at least slightly, as he started to make quite a
> scandal about possible "security problems" in the bidi algorithm and
> later backed off (http://yudit.org/security/).  This is of course not to
> say that the bidi algorithm is perfect, because it's not, but I don't
> think that the link you quote makes a really strong point against it.
> In particular, I find that some of the recommandations Sinai criticizes
> are amazingly close to what we do in the TeX world ("formatting codes
> should be inserted" => mark up the text with direction-switching
> commands, etc.)

Granted. The main point is that we have to reinterpret bidi in way that  
fits with TeX's/ConTeXt's needs, idiosyncracies, etc.... I don't believe  
we need to treat the unicode bidi algorithm as canonical.

But I'm still studying the matter.

Best
Idris

-- 
Professor Idris Samawi Hamid, Editor-in-Chief
International Journal of Shi`i Studies
Department of Philosophy
Colorado State University
Fort Collins, CO 80523
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  reply	other threads:[~2008-06-10  1:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-06-09  1:21 Khaled Hosny
2008-06-09 13:43 ` Arthur Reutenauer
2008-06-09 15:20   ` Hans Hagen
2008-06-09 17:01     ` Khaled Hosny
2008-06-09 21:08 ` Hans Hagen
2008-06-13 21:52   ` Khaled Hosny
2008-06-14  1:34     ` Idris Samawi Hamid
2008-06-15 17:26       ` Khaled Hosny
2008-06-15 20:32       ` Hans Hagen
2008-06-15 20:50         ` Idris Samawi Hamid
2008-06-15 20:58           ` Hans Hagen
2008-06-15 21:42         ` Idris Samawi Hamid
2008-06-16 16:14           ` Khaled Hosny
2008-06-15 20:37       ` Hans Hagen
2008-06-15 20:36     ` Hans Hagen
2008-06-10  1:07 ` Idris Samawi Hamid
2008-06-10  1:36   ` Arthur Reutenauer
2008-06-10  1:44     ` Idris Samawi Hamid [this message]
2008-06-10  7:34       ` Hans Hagen
2008-06-10 15:28         ` Arthur Reutenauer
2008-06-10 15:32           ` Hans Hagen
2008-06-10 21:30             ` Arthur Reutenauer
2008-06-18  5:40               ` Otared Kavian
2008-06-18  8:29                 ` Arthur Reutenauer
2008-06-18 15:22                   ` Idris Samawi Hamid
2008-06-18 15:44                     ` Khaled Hosny
2008-06-18 19:50                       ` Idris Samawi Hamid
2008-06-18 21:38                         ` Khaled Hosny
2008-06-10  8:13   ` Hans Hagen
2008-06-10 15:29     ` Arthur Reutenauer
2008-06-10 16:24       ` Hans Hagen
2008-06-10 21:37         ` Arthur Reutenauer

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