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From: "Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد" <ishamid@colostate.edu>
To: "mailing list for ConTeXt users" <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
Subject: Re: Making necessary OpenType features on by default
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 14:23:09 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <op.upn5ovzgfkrasx@your-b27fb1c401> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090220210258.GC15066@khaled-laptop>

On Fri, 20 Feb 2009 14:02:58 -0700, Khaled Hosny <khaledhosny@eglug.org>  
wrote:

>>>>  Microsoft's OpenType features list page
>>>> (http://www.microsoft.com/typography/otspec/features_ae.htm) gives a  
>>>> "UI
>>>> suggestion" for each feature noting if it should be on by default, I
>>>> think those are what most OpenType enable by default (at least the  
>>>> ones
>>>> I tested).
>>
>>> i've been thinking of a features=default option (as there is already
>>> features=yes|no)
>>
>> Maybe we can have a features=ms_arabic
>>
>> instead of defaulting to MS' recommendation. So in the final high-end
>> user interface we can have keys like
>>
>> featureset=ms_arabic
>
> I think the 'ms' part is't really needed, we can just call it"arabic",
> or are we going to have more Arabic feature sets?

We are almost certainly going to have more :-)

>> But I agree with Hans that this is a matter that needs more thought. For
>> example, Traditional Arabic mixes OpenType and older M$ specs in
>> Uniscribe, so just plugging in the default features that M$ suggests is
>> not sufficient for, eg, vowel function in Tr Ar.
>
> That is beyond OpenType support, since Traditional Arabic is essentially
> broken at many levels, even when Uniscribe is used (vowel marks break
> lam-alef ligatures for example), Ms Arabic fonts are special case since
> they were developed long ago before OpenType and aren't the best
> examples.

OTOH there are a lot of arabic fonts like this around that we want to  
support as well if we can... We a font categorization scheme to fit the  
most used fonts in the this regard.

>> Also, what about Arabic
>> fonts on the mac, so they follow the same specs as M$?
>
> AFAIK, Microsoft's Uniscribe is the reference OpenType implementation,
> and I assume that Apple's OpenType implementation follows its
> recommendations (I can't test that).

This is something we should investigate... uniscribe is quirky in a few  
areas -- it does extra spell-checking beyond what Arabic actually needs,  
for example. That's one reason I'm not comfortable with using it as a  
default standard.

Khaled: Have you considered making an inventory of available Arabic fonts?  
Or does one already exist? We could put together a table of what's  
available, checking for available OT features, etc.

سلام
Idris

-- 
Professor Idris Samawi Hamid, Editor-in-Chief
International Journal of Shi`i Studies
Department of Philosophy
Colorado State University
Fort Collins, CO 80523
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  reply	other threads:[~2009-02-20 21:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-02-20 18:39 Khaled Hosny
2009-02-20 18:57 ` Hans Hagen
2009-02-20 19:31   ` Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد
2009-02-20 21:02     ` Khaled Hosny
2009-02-20 21:23       ` Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد [this message]
2009-02-20 22:10         ` Hans Hagen
2009-02-20 22:26           ` Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد
2009-02-21 23:53             ` Karl Berry
2009-02-20 20:23   ` Khaled Hosny
2009-02-20 22:07     ` Hans Hagen
2009-02-20 22:49       ` Khaled Hosny
2009-02-21 15:58         ` Ilda Khaki
2009-02-23 10:58           ` Hans Hagen
2009-02-21 13:05   ` Otared Kavian
2009-02-22 21:03     ` Khaled Hosny
2009-02-22 22:44       ` Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد
2009-02-23 12:02         ` Khaled Hosny
2009-02-23 13:00           ` Hans Hagen
2009-02-23 15:34           ` Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد
2009-02-23 17:15             ` Khaled Hosny
2009-02-23 17:56               ` Idris Samawi Hamid
2009-02-23 22:51                 ` Khaled Hosny
2009-02-23 23:19                   ` Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد
2009-02-24 20:41                     ` Khaled Hosny
2009-02-25  2:30                       ` Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد
2009-02-23 10:53       ` Hans Hagen
2009-02-23 12:09         ` Khaled Hosny
2009-02-23 12:17           ` Thomas A. Schmitz
2009-02-23 12:28             ` Hans Hagen
2009-02-23 16:56               ` Khaled Hosny
2009-02-23 17:01                 ` Taco Hoekwater
2009-02-23 17:04                   ` Taco Hoekwater
2009-02-23 17:49                   ` Khaled Hosny
2009-02-23 23:23                 ` Hans Hagen
2009-02-24 15:49                   ` Idris Samawi Hamid
2009-02-24 16:03                     ` Hans Hagen
2009-02-23 12:36             ` Khaled Hosny
2009-02-22 22:54     ` Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد
2009-02-22 23:35     ` Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد
2009-02-21 21:14   ` Otared Kavian
2009-02-23 10:42     ` Hans Hagen
2009-02-23 12:25       ` Khaled Hosny
2009-02-23 12:46         ` Khaled Hosny
2009-02-23 12:56         ` Hans Hagen
2009-02-20 18:58 ` Hans Hagen
2009-02-20 20:27   ` Khaled Hosny
2009-02-20 22:09     ` Hans Hagen
2009-02-20 22:46 ` Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد
2009-02-21 11:41   ` Hans Hagen
2009-02-22 20:54     ` Khaled Hosny
2009-02-22 23:08       ` Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد
2009-02-22 13:51   ` Khaled Hosny

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