From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/58775 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?B?SWRyaXMgU2FtYXdpIEhhbWlkINin2K/YsdmK2LMgINiz2YXYp9mI2Yog2K0=?= =?utf-8?B?2KfZhdiv?= Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: 10+ reasons why I still use MKII Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 13:46:28 -0500 Message-ID: References: <4BEAC60C.8070900@wxs.nl> <4BEC09AC.8000403@wxs.nl> <20100513143243.GB3884@khaled-laptop> <4BEC13F1.9080106@wxs.nl> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1273780017 9651 80.91.229.12 (13 May 2010 19:46:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 19:46:57 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Mojca Miklavec To: "mailing list for ConTeXt users" , "Hans Hagen" Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Thu May 13 21:46:56 2010 connect(): No such file or directory Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([195.12.62.10]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OCeMx-0003XM-Uo for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Thu, 13 May 2010 21:46:56 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41631C9B10; Thu, 13 May 2010 21:46:55 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 6Y0NzYM3K3yT; Thu, 13 May 2010 21:46:52 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B705C9AFD; Thu, 13 May 2010 21:46:52 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCD05C9AFD for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 21:46:50 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id gXKtThYXotiC for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 21:46:47 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from estes.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (estes.acns.colostate.edu [129.82.100.46]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 686BEC9AE3 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 21:46:46 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from parker.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (parker.acns.colostate.edu [129.82.100.125]) by estes.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (8.13.8/8.12.11) with ESMTP id o4DJkXEJ026269; Thu, 13 May 2010 13:46:38 -0600 Original-Received: from lamar.colostate.edu (lamar.acns.colostate.edu [129.82.100.75]) by parker.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (AIX5.3/8.13.4/8.11.0) with ESMTP id o4DJkXMX233706; Thu, 13 May 2010 13:46:33 -0600 Original-Received: from ihamidnb.libarts.colostate.edu (ihamidnb.libarts.colostate.edu [129.82.187.12]) by lamar.colostate.edu (AIX5.3/8.13.4/8.11.0) with ESMTP id o4DJkSTJ1318950; Thu, 13 May 2010 13:46:33 -0600 In-Reply-To: <4BEC13F1.9080106@wxs.nl> User-Agent: Opera Mail/10.51 (Win32) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=1.12.8161:2.4.5, 1.2.40, 4.0.166 definitions=2010-05-13_02:2010-02-06, 2010-05-13, 2010-05-13 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=5.0.0-0908210000 definitions=main-1005130125 X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:58775 Archived-At: On Thu, 13 May 2010 10:00:01 -0500, Hans Hagen wrote: > On 13-5-2010 4:32, Khaled Hosny wrote: >> On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 04:16:12PM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote: >>> On 13-5-2010 3:42, Mojca Miklavec wrote: >>> >>>> \startyoumayignorethis >>>> The only thing that really bothers me are so much different vertical >>>> differences which show up in almost every document I ever write. MKIV >>>> consistently takes more vertical space, so no matter what document I >>>> try to recompile, it always ends up with more pages (and some weird >>>> page breaks) when processing it with MKIV. >>> >>> \startcantresistmode >>> >>> the lineheight relates to the ex height and as in mkiv we don't have >>> the tfm limitations (those 16 values of ht dp) we have slightly >>> different spacing >> >> Something I find very annoying is variable interline spacing, if I've, >> for example, a line with some Arabic words vocalized I get some times >> too much white space above it that it almost looks like an empty line. >> It makes the page look like crap. Is there a way to force fixed >> interline spacing? Can you give an example? > turn turn grid on .. but even then, we need some nice heuristic for > determing the right ht/dp ratio for arabic (can be set up) I have some nice texts that illustrate a standard balance, but I'd like to see what Khaled has in mind exactly before I comment further... Peace Idris -- Professor Idris Samawi Hamid, Editor-in-Chief International Journal of Shi`i Studies Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________