From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/84174 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?iso-8859-2?B?UHJvY2jhemthIEx1a+G5IEluZy4gLSBQb250ZXggcy4gci4gby4=?= Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: [***SPAM***] YATM (Yet Another Table Method) Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2013 09:13:35 +0200 Message-ID: References: <20130907103149.3252@binki> <522B0841.7080405@wxs.nl> <20130908093348.2764@binki> <70B48C5D-10E8-4C6B-972B-5243A2F33D6E@gmail.com> <20130908234146.3476@binki> <522C91F5.5020205@wxs.nl> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1378710838 29252 80.91.229.3 (9 Sep 2013 07:13:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 07:13:58 +0000 (UTC) To: "mailing list for ConTeXt users" Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Mon Sep 09 09:14:02 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([5.39.185.229]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VIvfe-0001UB-9t for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Mon, 09 Sep 2013 09:14:02 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9788F10204; Mon, 9 Sep 2013 09:12:21 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id XGZukecowD-R; Mon, 9 Sep 2013 09:12:19 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5DDD101E6; Mon, 9 Sep 2013 09:12:19 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69FF5101E6 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2013 09:12:18 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id lzsZGeb-ela6 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2013 09:12:12 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from filter5-til.mf.surf.net (filter5-til.mf.surf.net [194.171.167.221]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BCEC10193 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2013 09:12:12 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mail.pontex.cz (mail.pontex.cz [89.233.168.98]) by filter5-til.mf.surf.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.4) with ESMTP id r897DoQD021159 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2013 09:13:51 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by mail.pontex.cz (Kerio MailServer 6.6.2) for ntg-context@ntg.nl; Mon, 9 Sep 2013 09:13:42 +0200 In-Reply-To: <522C91F5.5020205@wxs.nl> User-Agent: Opera Mail/12.15 (Win32) X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: @@RPTN) X-CanIt-Geo: ip=89.233.168.98; country=CZ; latitude=49.7500; longitude=15.5000; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=49.7500,15.5000&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: uu:ntg-context@ntg.nl (inherits from uu:default, base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 0WKmTdOVN - 827b81e2b36d - 20130909 X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 194.171.167.221 X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:84174 Archived-At: Hello, just one user's point of view: There are many table-creating commands. Some of them are deprecated and only supported for backward compatibility. It seemed to me till now that natural tables (provided by \...TABLE... comm= ands) were best choice as they are versatile, they have friendly setup, the= y may be split over more pages (with repeating header/footer) and (almost e= ach feature) may be specified individually for row, column or even cell. It seemed to that nothing more user might wish. (And - as "more complicated", i.e. more typing to enter them, Lua helps in = this situation.) Now, we have xtables which have the same functionality as TABLEs, or a bit = more. But - (?) xtables have a bit "poorer" setup options (so far? - By Wolfgang'= s answer). > Do you plan to add something equivalent to \setupTABLE[][][<= settings>] > because xtables lack the function to set values for certain rows/columns. > Wolfgang The "more" is - named cells? Faster rendering? IMHO - wouldn't be better to extend TABLEs to be as good as xtables (i.e. -= add named cells)? Or to unify xtables and TABLEs - make xtables and TABLEs have the same func= tionality and options, and make their names/commands synonyms? - When I started using Ctx, there were so many tabling commands and I alway= s had to compare their possibilities to select one; and to check whether th= e chosen "tabler" is not deprecated. So I ended up with TABLEs (and Lua). Now, it seems to me that TABLEs will become deprecated, being replaced with= xtables... Best regards, Lukas On Sun, 08 Sep 2013 17:04:21 +0200, Hans Hagen wrote: > On 9/8/2013 4:41 PM, hwitloc@gmail.com wrote: > >> Yes, I was need to set the height and width of cells as well as turn on = and off top/bottom, left/right cell frames. Is this functionality covered = in extreme tables? > > you can still do that but with either explicit settings or with symbolic > references to settings > >> When you write "certain rows and colums" do you mean certain settings fo= r rows and columns? > > you can have named rows/columns > >> If some functions are missing, I assume that they will be added in the f= uture. Is this assumption correct? > > it is *not* a replacement for TABLE in the sense that not all > functionality is the same; there might however be more functionality in > xtreme tables > > Hans -- = Ing. Luk=E1=B9 Proch=E1zka [mailto:LPr@pontex.cz] Pontex s. r. o. 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