* Project, product, component...
@ 2012-02-28 16:37 Procházka Lukáš Ing. - Pontex s. r. o.
2012-02-28 17:24 ` Jaroslav Hajtmar
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From: Procházka Lukáš Ing. - Pontex s. r. o. @ 2012-02-28 16:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Hello,
I'm trying to use advantages of project/product/component structure.
Suppose having a very simple example (both files in the same directory):
---- Prod.mkiv
\startproduct PPP
\component Comp.mkiv
Product
\stopproduct
----
And:
---- Comp.mkiv
\startcomponent CCC
Component
\stopcomponent
----
When I compile Comp.mkiv, I get (successfully) text "Component".
When I compile Prod.mkiv, I get (successfully) text "Product Component".
So the question - what are "PPP" and "CCC" identifiers (following \startproduct and \starcomponent respectively) used or intended for?
- So far, it seems to me that I refer to file names (as with \input) when working with components rather than their ids assigned by \startcomponent or \startproduct.
What would be a situation when I'd need to use ids "CCC" or "PPP" (or later, those assigned by "\startproduct PROD" and "\startenvironment ENV")?
Best regards,
Lukas
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\startcomponent CCC
%\product Prod
%\project Proj
Component
\stopcomponent
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\startproduct PPP
\component Comp.mkiv
Product
\stopproduct
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* Re: Project, product, component...
2012-02-28 16:37 Project, product, component Procházka Lukáš Ing. - Pontex s. r. o.
@ 2012-02-28 17:24 ` Jaroslav Hajtmar
2012-02-28 18:01 ` Marco
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From: Jaroslav Hajtmar @ 2012-02-28 17:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ntg-context
Hello,
Project structure use quite often, but yet similar question not occurred
to me. I had always previously PPP and CCC as existing filenames on the
disk. I suppose it would be right.
But I would like to extend Luke's question on this issue:
You can load an existing component to other components? Is it acceptable
or undesirable? At some point I would throw this possibility, but I do
not want to do something that could then backfire somehow.
Thanx Jaroslav Hajtmar
Dne 28.2.2012 17:37, Procházka Lukáš Ing. - Pontex s. r. o. napsal(a):
> Hello,
>
> I'm trying to use advantages of project/product/component structure.
>
> Suppose having a very simple example (both files in the same directory):
>
> ---- Prod.mkiv
> \startproduct PPP
> \component Comp.mkiv
>
> Product
> \stopproduct
> ----
>
> And:
>
> ---- Comp.mkiv
> \startcomponent CCC
> Component
> \stopcomponent
> ----
>
> When I compile Comp.mkiv, I get (successfully) text "Component".
>
> When I compile Prod.mkiv, I get (successfully) text "Product Component".
>
> So the question - what are "PPP" and "CCC" identifiers (following
> \startproduct and \starcomponent respectively) used or intended for?
>
> - So far, it seems to me that I refer to file names (as with \input)
> when working with components rather than their ids assigned by
> \startcomponent or \startproduct.
>
> What would be a situation when I'd need to use ids "CCC" or "PPP" (or
> later, those assigned by "\startproduct PROD" and "\startenvironment
> ENV")?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Lukas
>
>
>
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* Re: Project, product, component...
2012-02-28 17:24 ` Jaroslav Hajtmar
@ 2012-02-28 18:01 ` Marco
2012-02-28 18:18 ` Jaroslav Hajtmar
2012-03-01 8:30 ` Procházka Lukáš Ing. - Pontex s. r. o.
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From: Marco @ 2012-02-28 18:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ntg-context
On 2012-02-28 Jaroslav Hajtmar <hajtmar@gyza.cz> wrote:
> Project structure use quite often, but yet similar question not
> occurred to me.
It's a very interesting question, I was asking myself the same and
I'm curious about the answer. The ConTeXt magazine #1101 - Project
Structure¹ is reserved about this topic and simply states:
“The names given after the start command are not that important…”
> I had always previously PPP and CCC as existing filenames on the
> disk.
I always used filenames, too.
> But I would like to extend Luke's question on this issue: You can
> load an existing component to other components?
The ConTeXt magazine #1101 includes a table of the possible
combinations of the commands. From this table I conclude that
components are allowed between:
∙ \starttext \stoptext
∙ \startcomponent \stopcomponent
∙ \startproduct \stopproduct
Marco
[1] http://pragma-ade.com/general/magazines/mag-1101.pdf
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* Re: Project, product, component...
2012-02-28 18:01 ` Marco
@ 2012-02-28 18:18 ` Jaroslav Hajtmar
2012-03-01 8:30 ` Procházka Lukáš Ing. - Pontex s. r. o.
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From: Jaroslav Hajtmar @ 2012-02-28 18:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Thanx Marco.
I remember that I once read that magazine, but I already forgot it. It
is good that you reminded me. It is good to occasionally return to the
forgotten manuals. Thanks again.
Jaroslav.
Dne 28.2.2012 19:01, Marco napsal(a):
> On 2012-02-28 Jaroslav Hajtmar<hajtmar@gyza.cz> wrote:
>
>
>> Project structure use quite often, but yet similar question not
>> occurred to me.
>>
> It's a very interesting question, I was asking myself the same and
> I'm curious about the answer. The ConTeXt magazine #1101 - Project
> Structure¹ is reserved about this topic and simply states:
>
> “The names given after the start command are not that important…”
>
>
>> I had always previously PPP and CCC as existing filenames on the
>> disk.
>>
> I always used filenames, too.
>
>
>> But I would like to extend Luke's question on this issue: You can
>> load an existing component to other components?
>>
> The ConTeXt magazine #1101 includes a table of the possible
> combinations of the commands. From this table I conclude that
> components are allowed between:
>
> ∙ \starttext \stoptext
> ∙ \startcomponent \stopcomponent
> ∙ \startproduct \stopproduct
>
> Marco
>
> [1] http://pragma-ade.com/general/magazines/mag-1101.pdf
>
>
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* Re: Project, product, component...
2012-02-28 18:01 ` Marco
2012-02-28 18:18 ` Jaroslav Hajtmar
@ 2012-03-01 8:30 ` Procházka Lukáš Ing. - Pontex s. r. o.
2012-03-01 8:53 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Procházka Lukáš Ing. - Pontex s. r. o. @ 2012-03-01 8:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Hello,
as no new answer so far, I started to experiment.
It seems that [at least] component id(s) cannot be omitted:
---- Prod.mkiv
\startproduct % PPP
\component Comp.mkiv
Product
\stopproduct
----
And:
---- Comp.mkiv
\startcomponent % CCC
%\product Prod
%\project Proj
Component
\stopcomponent
----
- Gives a wrong product, as Prod.pdf doesn't include the component.
Another test:
---- Prod.mkiv
\startproduct _ % PPP
\component Comp.mkiv
\component Comp2.mkiv
Product
\stopproduct
----
And:
---- Comp.mkiv
\startcomponent _ % CCC
Component
\stopcomponent
----
---- Comp2.mkiv
\startcomponent _ % CCC
Component2
\stopcomponent
----
Gives a good result.
So it seems that [at least some] ids are required, and just not-to-be-empty.
I tested the case when all product/component ids were the same, i.e. "_", as a dummy value.
As later the ids are referred nowhere, it seems that they are necessary just due to syntactical rules.
Or - ?
Lukas
On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 19:01:52 +0100, Marco <netuse@lavabit.com> wrote:
> On 2012-02-28 Jaroslav Hajtmar <hajtmar@gyza.cz> wrote:
>
>> Project structure use quite often, but yet similar question not
>> occurred to me.
>
> It's a very interesting question, I was asking myself the same and
> I'm curious about the answer. The ConTeXt magazine #1101 - Project
> Structure¹ is reserved about this topic and simply states:
>
> “The names given after the start command are not that important…”
>
>> I had always previously PPP and CCC as existing filenames on the
>> disk.
>
> I always used filenames, too.
>
>> But I would like to extend Luke's question on this issue: You can
>> load an existing component to other components?
>
> The ConTeXt magazine #1101 includes a table of the possible
> combinations of the commands. From this table I conclude that
> components are allowed between:
>
> ∙ \starttext \stoptext
> ∙ \startcomponent \stopcomponent
> ∙ \startproduct \stopproduct
>
> Marco
>
> [1] http://pragma-ade.com/general/magazines/mag-1101.pdf
>
>
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* Re: Project, product, component...
2012-03-01 8:30 ` Procházka Lukáš Ing. - Pontex s. r. o.
@ 2012-03-01 8:53 ` Hans Hagen
2012-03-02 7:25 ` Procházka Lukáš Ing. - Pontex s. r. o.
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2012-03-01 8:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 1-3-2012 09:30, Procházka Lukáš Ing. - Pontex s. r. o. wrote:
> Hello,
>
> as no new answer so far, I started to experiment.
>
> It seems that [at least] component id(s) cannot be omitted:
the tags are (an always will be) mandate
> I tested the case when all product/component ids were the same, i.e.
> "_", as a dummy value.
>
> As later the ids are referred nowhere, it seems that they are necessary
> just due to syntactical rules.
they are also used in
- cross document referencing (component processing)
- logging and reporting
- keeping track of loading environments once
- internal pusp/pop states and hashes
- whatever we need in the future
(so, naming all environments _ will load only one)
Hans
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