From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/82135 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?B?SWRyaXMgU2FtYXdpIEhhbWlkINin2K/YsdmK2LMgICDYs9mF2KfZiNmKIA==?= =?utf-8?B?2K3Yp9mF2K8=?= Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: Adobe Garamond Problems with letter combination "fi" Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 14:05:43 -0600 Organization: csu Message-ID: References: <51779A39.7050500@mmnetz.de> <9800EA92-858D-426E-A9AC-F8C0FD29E6AA@gmail.com> <5B0920D4-0441-4D2E-BC5F-1A1290662454@web.de> <5178D398.7050209@uni-bonn.de> <8D07355B-7A3D-4CB2-B164-C326610D5928@web.de> <517AAECF.1050902@uni-bonn.de> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1367006790 17834 80.91.229.3 (26 Apr 2013 20:06:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 20:06:30 +0000 (UTC) To: "mailing list for ConTeXt users" Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Fri Apr 26 22:06:34 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([195.12.62.10]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UVouc-0005mg-KZ for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 22:06:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 430B5101F5; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 22:06:30 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id AZ6m3aL+oyp8; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 22:06:27 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D6B4101E4; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 22:06:27 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2075101E4 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 22:06:26 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id yIWgAQxMTFar for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 22:06:25 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from filter5-til.mf.surf.net (filter5-til.mf.surf.net [194.171.167.221]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E00F101E0 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 22:06:25 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from bird.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (bird.acns.colostate.edu [129.82.100.165]) by filter5-til.mf.surf.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.4) with ESMTP id r3QK6M4v019249 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 22:06:23 +0200 Original-Received: from jansen.ColoState.EDU (jansen.acns.colostate.edu [129.82.100.132]) by bird.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (8.13.8/8.12.11) with ESMTP id r3QK68PL001394 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 14:06:08 -0600 Original-Received: from ishamid-pc ([184.21.117.108]) (authenticated bits=0) by jansen.ColoState.EDU (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r3QK5u8b000635 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 14:06:05 -0600 In-Reply-To: <517AAECF.1050902@uni-bonn.de> User-Agent: Opera Mail/12.15 (Win32) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8626, 1.0.431, 0.0.0000 definitions=2013-04-26_05:2013-04-26,2013-04-26,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1211240000 definitions=main-1304260180 X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: @@RPTN) X-CanIt-Geo: ip=129.82.100.165; country=US; region=CO; city=Fort Collins; postalcode=80523; latitude=40.4555; longitude=-105.4648; metrocode=751; areacode=970; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=40.4555,-105.4648&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: uu:ntg-context@ntg.nl (inherits from uu:default, base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 0WJsI6mhA - 6348e028c9ab - 20130426 (trained as not-spam) X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 194.171.167.221 X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:82135 Archived-At: Greetings, Keith, Thomas, and all, On Fri, 26 Apr 2013 10:43:59 -0600, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote: > if you look at the books of decent publishers, you will see that most of > them still use ligatures (most American university presses, Oxford and > Cambridge, German publishers such as Reclam etc.) However, many smaller > publishers don't give a rat's ass about esthetics, and that's where Word > comes into play: they have their authors deliver their manuscripts as > Word files and simply typeset from that, more often than not by > employing some underpaid and untrained "contractors" in India. Cuts > costs and makes authors do all the work that publishers used to do in > the olden days... Taking this as the norm is not a good idea. The situation Thomas is describing is analogous to what happened 40 years ago: When metal-based typesetting started to die out, what came after was atrocious but ubiquitous. And that's _exactly_ why Knuth invented TeX! As a general rule: High-quality typesetting with good fonts and the ligatures off is like pouring fine wine into a plastic cup. Best wishes Idris -- Professor Idris Samawi Hamid Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________