* system fonts access under macosx (again)
@ 2014-12-23 16:42 j. van den hoff
2014-12-23 18:14 ` Hans Hagen
2014-12-23 18:44 ` Pablo Rodriguez
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From: j. van den hoff @ 2014-12-23 16:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ntg-context
as advised I have installed standalone context in order to get better
support of system fonts under macosx.
I now have had the following happen to me:
1.
after installation of `standalone' and straightening out unrelated
problems with `\usemodule' usage I managed to get proper
support of -- that's the specific font I wanted to use -- the `Optima'
font family. Notably I got italics
where I wanted them. so far so good.
2.
then I discovered that standalone context does not include the very nice
`EB Garamond' font (although
there are some files in the context tree apparently related to tweaking
some things related to this font) -- contrary to
texlive where `context` finds this font just fine.
3.
instead of putting this font into the standalone `context' tree (which I
tried initially without luck -- on second thought
I probably would have needed to do a `mtxrun --script fonts --reload' ...)
I installed these (otf) fonts systemwide.
(as an aside: is there a way of notifying standalone context of the
location of the `texlive' font directories?)
4.
contrary to what I seem to have read in the documentation somewhere (??)
the fonts were than _not_ looked up "on demand" (i.e.
where not found automatically when compiling the document wanting to use
this font) but only found after I did a manual `mtxrun --script fonts
--reload'
5.
now `ebgaramond' works fine _but_ out of the `Optima' fonts now only the
regular font is found and reported by `mtxrun ... fonts`
if I interpret this output correctly:
optima optimaregular /System/Library/Fonts/Optima.ttc index:
4
optimanormal optimaregular /System/Library/Fonts/Optima.ttc index:
4
optimaregular optimaregular /System/Library/Fonts/Optima.ttc index:
4
so I seem back to square one in this respect :-(.
I can only assume that this has been caused by the `--reload' run (see
item 1. above: intitially `optima' italics worked) and/or maybe still
fragile support of these `ttc' (true type collection) files? just a guess.
what am I doing wrong _this_ time?
thx,
joerg
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* Re: system fonts access under macosx (again)
2014-12-23 16:42 system fonts access under macosx (again) j. van den hoff
@ 2014-12-23 18:14 ` Hans Hagen
2014-12-23 22:53 ` j. van den hoff
2014-12-23 18:44 ` Pablo Rodriguez
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2014-12-23 18:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ntg-context
On 12/23/2014 5:42 PM, j. van den hoff wrote:
> what am I doing wrong _this_ time?
hard to guess from a distance but whenever i want to use some font and
want also to be sure that i use the same one each time (esp system
fonts) i just copy them to someplace under texmf-fonts/fonts/data
after copying a font you need to run mtxrun --generate in order to
update the file database (after that not found founds will trugger a
remake of the font database)
Hans
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* Re: system fonts access under macosx (again)
2014-12-23 16:42 system fonts access under macosx (again) j. van den hoff
2014-12-23 18:14 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2014-12-23 18:44 ` Pablo Rodriguez
2014-12-23 19:31 ` Wolfgang Schuster
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From: Pablo Rodriguez @ 2014-12-23 18:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 12/23/2014 05:42 PM, j. van den hoff wrote:
> [...]
> so I seem back to square one in this respect :-(.
> I can only assume that this has been caused by the `--reload' run (see
> item 1. above: intitially `optima' italics worked) and/or maybe still
> fragile support of these `ttc' (true type collection) files? just a guess.
>
> what am I doing wrong _this_ time?
Hi Jörg,
I cannot tell, but maybe there is something that might work.
From your ConTeXt Suite directory, remove tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/.
And then compile the documents with Optima and EB Garamond. (ConTeXt
will perform the required tasks before.)
--reload didn’t work for me and this method worked. I remove
tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/ everytime I install a new font.
Just in case it helps,
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* Re: system fonts access under macosx (again)
2014-12-23 18:44 ` Pablo Rodriguez
@ 2014-12-23 19:31 ` Wolfgang Schuster
2014-12-23 22:32 ` j. van den hoff
2014-12-23 22:50 ` j. van den hoff
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From: Wolfgang Schuster @ 2014-12-23 19:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
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> Am 23.12.2014 um 19:44 schrieb Pablo Rodriguez <oinos@gmx.es>:
>
> On 12/23/2014 05:42 PM, j. van den hoff wrote:
>> [...]
>> so I seem back to square one in this respect :-(.
>> I can only assume that this has been caused by the `--reload' run (see
>> item 1. above: intitially `optima' italics worked) and/or maybe still
>> fragile support of these `ttc' (true type collection) files? just a guess.
>>
>> what am I doing wrong _this_ time?
>
> Hi Jörg,
>
> I cannot tell, but maybe there is something that might work.
>
> From your ConTeXt Suite directory, remove tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/.
>
> And then compile the documents with Optima and EB Garamond. (ConTeXt
> will perform the required tasks before.)
>
> --reload didn’t work for me and this method worked. I remove
> tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/ everytime I install a new font.
There is no need to remove the latex-cache folder because you can use the force
option (i.e. mtxrun —script font —reload —force) to rebuild the whole cache.
Wolfgang
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* Re: system fonts access under macosx (again)
2014-12-23 19:31 ` Wolfgang Schuster
@ 2014-12-23 22:32 ` j. van den hoff
2014-12-24 7:41 ` Wolfgang Schuster
2014-12-23 22:50 ` j. van den hoff
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From: j. van den hoff @ 2014-12-23 22:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users, Wolfgang Schuster
On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 20:31:46 +0100, Wolfgang Schuster
<schuster.wolfgang@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Am 23.12.2014 um 19:44 schrieb Pablo Rodriguez <oinos@gmx.es>:
>>
>> On 12/23/2014 05:42 PM, j. van den hoff wrote:
>>> [...]
>>> so I seem back to square one in this respect :-(.
>>> I can only assume that this has been caused by the `--reload' run (see
>>> item 1. above: intitially `optima' italics worked) and/or maybe still
>>> fragile support of these `ttc' (true type collection) files? just a
>>> guess.
>>>
>>> what am I doing wrong _this_ time?
>>
>> Hi Jörg,
>>
>> I cannot tell, but maybe there is something that might work.
>>
>> From your ConTeXt Suite directory, remove tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/.
>>
>> And then compile the documents with Optima and EB Garamond. (ConTeXt
>> will perform the required tasks before.)
>>
>> --reload didn’t work for me and this method worked. I remove
>> tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/ everytime I install a new font.
>
> There is no need to remove the latex-cache folder because you can use
> the force
> option (i.e. mtxrun —script font —reload —force) to rebuild the whole
> cache.
thanks to both of you. in fact, just doing `mtxrun —script font —reload
—force'
restored sane behaviour (italics back again etc.).
so, I understand that _this_ actually rebuilds the font data base? what,
then, is just issuing `--reload'
good for? I also don't understand, why `context' got apparently confused
(i.e. stopped recognizing `optima italics')
by issuing just `mtxrun —script font —reload' (which I did -- successfully
-- to make `context' recognize the newly
installed EB Garamond font).
joerg
>
> Wolfgang
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* Re: system fonts access under macosx (again)
2014-12-23 19:31 ` Wolfgang Schuster
2014-12-23 22:32 ` j. van den hoff
@ 2014-12-23 22:50 ` j. van den hoff
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From: j. van den hoff @ 2014-12-23 22:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 20:31:46 +0100, Wolfgang Schuster
<schuster.wolfgang@gmail.com> wrote:
> There is no need to remove the latex-cache folder because you can use
> the force
> option (i.e. mtxrun —script font —reload —force) to rebuild the whole
> cache.
> Wolfgang
FYI: `-force' seems not to be documented, at least I can't find it at
`http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Mtxrun'.
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* Re: system fonts access under macosx (again)
2014-12-23 18:14 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2014-12-23 22:53 ` j. van den hoff
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From: j. van den hoff @ 2014-12-23 22:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ntg-context, Hans Hagen
On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 19:14:26 +0100, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:
> On 12/23/2014 5:42 PM, j. van den hoff wrote:
>
>> what am I doing wrong _this_ time?
>
> hard to guess from a distance but whenever i want to use some font and
> want also to be sure that i use the same one each time (esp system
> fonts) i just copy them to someplace under texmf-fonts/fonts/data
understood.
>
> after copying a font you need to run mtxrun --generate in order to
> update the file database (after that not found founds will trugger a
> remake of the font database)
could you please explain what the difference is between `mtxrun
--generate' and `mtxrun fonts --rebuild {-force}'?
thx, joerg
>
> Hans
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* Re: system fonts access under macosx (again)
2014-12-23 22:32 ` j. van den hoff
@ 2014-12-24 7:41 ` Wolfgang Schuster
2014-12-24 10:14 ` j. van den hoff
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From: Wolfgang Schuster @ 2014-12-24 7:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: j. van den hoff; +Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users
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> Am 23.12.2014 um 23:32 schrieb j. van den hoff <veedeehjay@googlemail.com>:
>
> thanks to both of you. in fact, just doing `mtxrun —script font —reload —force'
> restored sane behaviour (italics back again etc.).
>
> so, I understand that _this_ actually rebuilds the font data base? what, then, is just issuing `—reload’ good for?
When you make a new installation and context runs for the first time
it make a scan for all available fonts and store some information about
each font but this will take some time (although this is now faster than
it has been in the past).
To add a new font to this list you can use "mtxrun —script font —reload“
which adds only new fonts to the list which is faster than a complete
rebuild of the list which is done with the "force“ option.
Wolfgang
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* Re: system fonts access under macosx (again)
2014-12-24 7:41 ` Wolfgang Schuster
@ 2014-12-24 10:14 ` j. van den hoff
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From: j. van den hoff @ 2014-12-24 10:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Wolfgang Schuster; +Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users
On Wed, 24 Dec 2014 08:41:53 +0100, Wolfgang Schuster
<schuster.wolfgang@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Am 23.12.2014 um 23:32 schrieb j. van den hoff
>> <veedeehjay@googlemail.com>:
>>
>> thanks to both of you. in fact, just doing `mtxrun —script font —reload
>> —force'
>> restored sane behaviour (italics back again etc.).
>>
>> so, I understand that _this_ actually rebuilds the font data base?
>> what, then, is just issuing `—reload’ good for?
>
> When you make a new installation and context runs for the first time
> it make a scan for all available fonts and store some information about
> each font but this will take some time (although this is now faster than
> it has been in the past).
>
> To add a new font to this list you can use "mtxrun —script font —reload“
> which adds only new fonts to the list which is faster than a complete
> rebuild of the list which is done with the "force“ option.
I see. but could there be some "loose ends" in this? since what happenend
in my case was:
1.
after de-novo installation of `context' standalone, `optima.ttc' was
recognized completely (including italics and bold).
2.
after adding `ebgaramond' it was not recognized before doing a `mtxrun
—script font —reload'.
so up to here this is perfectly in accord with your explanation. but
3.
at this point `optima' was no longer recognized beyond the `regular'
variant. so something "bad"
happened to the database during step 2 it seems although according to your
explantion it only
should have led to appending information for ebgaramond without affecting
the rest.
4.
the complete rebuild (`-force') restored everything to normal.
just in case this deserves further inspection.
joerg
>
> Wolfgang
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