Referencing footnotes by SECTION

Referencing footnotes by SECTION

[Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد]

Dear gang,

When referencing footnotes that reset each chapter, is there a way to  
include the chapter information? See attached and below:

=======
\setuphead[chapter]   [alternative=normal,conversion=R]
\setuphead[subsection][alternative=text]
\setuphead[subsection][distance=0em,
                        textdistance=0.7em,
                        sectionstopper=.,
                        criterium=local]

\setupnotation[footnote][way=bychapter]

\setupreferencestructureprefix [section] [default]
                                [prefixstopper=\zerowidthspace]

\setupwhitespace[big]
\starttext

\startchapter[title={First},reference={}]
\startsubsection[title={},reference={reference1}]
\input ward
\startfootnote[footnote1]
\input ward
\stopfootnote{}

See \in{Footnote}[footnote2].
\stopsubsection
\startsubsection[title={},reference={reference2}]
\input ward
\stopsubsection
\stopchapter

\startchapter[title={Second}]
\startsubsection[title={},reference={reference3}]
\input ward
\stopsubsection
\startsubsection[title={},reference={reference5}]
\input ward
\startfootnote[footnote2]
\input ward
\stopfootnote{}

See \in{Footnote}[footnote1].
\stopsubsection
\stopchapter
\stoptext
=======

If line 8 is commented -
\setupnotation[footnote][way=bychapter]
- we get what we expect. But if line 8 is activated, we get an ambiguity:  
Both references give back

  "Footnote 1"

Whereas what we would like is something like this:

  Footnote  I.1

i.e., Chapter I, Footnote 1 - for the first footnote; and

  Footnote II.1

i.e., Chapter II, Footnote 1 - for the second footnote.

Is there a straightforward way to do this?

[[Of course, for the roman chapter numbering we also run into the  
reference-numberconversionset issue of the other thread, where

\definestructureconversionset[OLIE][n,R,n,n,n,n][n]
\setupreferencestructureprefix [section] [default]
                                [prefixstopper=\zerowidthspace,
                                 numberconversionset=OLIE]

doesn't seem to work.]]

Thank you in advance for any guidance or pointers you can provide!

Best wishes
Idris
-- 
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Department of Philosophy
Colorado State University
Fort Collins, CO 80512
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Re: Referencing footnotes by SECTION

[Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد]

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On Sat, 30 Jun 2018 15:04:02 -0600, Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد  
<Idris.Hamid@colostate.edu> wrote:

> Dear gang,
>
> When referencing footnotes that reset each chapter, is there a way to  
> include the chapter information? See attached and below:
>
> =======
> \setuphead[chapter]   [alternative=normal,conversion=R]
> \setuphead[subsection][alternative=text]
> \setuphead[subsection][distance=0em,
>                         textdistance=0.7em,
>                         sectionstopper=.,
>                         criterium=local]
>
> \setupnotation[footnote][way=bychapter]
>
> \setupreferencestructureprefix [section] [default]
>                                 [prefixstopper=\zerowidthspace]
>
> \setupwhitespace[big]
> \starttext
>
> \startchapter[title={First},reference={}]
> \startsubsection[title={},reference={reference1}]
> \input ward
> \startfootnote[footnote1]
> \input ward
> \stopfootnote{}
>
> See \in{Footnote}[footnote2].
> \stopsubsection
> \startsubsection[title={},reference={reference2}]
> \input ward
> \stopsubsection
> \stopchapter
>
> \startchapter[title={Second}]
> \startsubsection[title={},reference={reference3}]
> \input ward
> \stopsubsection
> \startsubsection[title={},reference={reference5}]
> \input ward
> \startfootnote[footnote2]
> \input ward
> \stopfootnote{}
>
> See \in{Footnote}[footnote1].
> \stopsubsection
> \stopchapter
> \stoptext
> =======
>
> If line 8 is commented -
> \setupnotation[footnote][way=bychapter]
> - we get what we expect. But if line 8 is activated, we get an  
> ambiguity: Both references give back
>
>   "Footnote 1"
>
> Whereas what we would like is something like this:
>
>   Footnote  I.1
>
> i.e., Chapter I, Footnote 1 - for the first footnote; and
>
>   Footnote II.1
>
> i.e., Chapter II, Footnote 1 - for the second footnote.
>
> Is there a straightforward way to do this?
>
> [[Of course, for the roman chapter numbering we also run into the  
> reference-numberconversionset issue of the other thread, where
>
> \definestructureconversionset[OLIE][n,R,n,n,n,n][n]
> \setupreferencestructureprefix [section] [default]
>                                 [prefixstopper=\zerowidthspace,
>                                  numberconversionset=OLIE]
>
> doesn't seem to work.]]
>
> Thank you in advance for any guidance or pointers you can provide!
>
> Best wishes
> Idris


-- 
Idris Samawi Hamid, Professor
Department of Philosophy
Colorado State University
Fort Collins, CO 80512

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Re: Referencing footnotes by SECTION

[Wolfgang Schuster]

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Hi Idris,

you can enable the display of chapter numbers with the prefix-key:

\setupnotation
   [footnote]
   [prefix=yes,
   %prefixsegments=chapter,
    way=bychapter]

Wolfgang
> Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد <mailto:Idris.Hamid@colostate.edu>
> 30. Juni 2018 um 23:04
> Dear gang,
>
> When referencing footnotes that reset each chapter, is there a way to 
> include the chapter information? See attached and below:
>
> =======
> \setuphead[chapter]   [alternative=normal,conversion=R]
> \setuphead[subsection][alternative=text]
> \setuphead[subsection][distance=0em,
>                        textdistance=0.7em,
>                        sectionstopper=.,
>                        criterium=local]
>
> \setupnotation[footnote][way=bychapter]
>
> \setupreferencestructureprefix [section] [default]
>                                [prefixstopper=\zerowidthspace]
>
> \setupwhitespace[big]
> \starttext
>
> \startchapter[title={First},reference={}]
> \startsubsection[title={},reference={reference1}]
> \input ward
> \startfootnote[footnote1]
> \input ward
> \stopfootnote{}
>
> See \in{Footnote}[footnote2].
> \stopsubsection
> \startsubsection[title={},reference={reference2}]
> \input ward
> \stopsubsection
> \stopchapter
>
> \startchapter[title={Second}]
> \startsubsection[title={},reference={reference3}]
> \input ward
> \stopsubsection
> \startsubsection[title={},reference={reference5}]
> \input ward
> \startfootnote[footnote2]
> \input ward
> \stopfootnote{}
>
> See \in{Footnote}[footnote1].
> \stopsubsection
> \stopchapter
> \stoptext
> =======
>
> If line 8 is commented -
> \setupnotation[footnote][way=bychapter]
> - we get what we expect. But if line 8 is activated, we get an 
> ambiguity: Both references give back
>
>  "Footnote 1"
>
> Whereas what we would like is something like this:
>
>  Footnote  I.1
>
> i.e., Chapter I, Footnote 1 - for the first footnote; and
>
>  Footnote II.1
>
> i.e., Chapter II, Footnote 1 - for the second footnote.
>
> Is there a straightforward way to do this?
>
> [[Of course, for the roman chapter numbering we also run into the 
> reference-numberconversionset issue of the other thread, where
>
> \definestructureconversionset[OLIE][n,R,n,n,n,n][n]
> \setupreferencestructureprefix [section] [default]
>                                [prefixstopper=\zerowidthspace,
>                                 numberconversionset=OLIE]
>
> doesn't seem to work.]]
>
> Thank you in advance for any guidance or pointers you can provide!
>
> Best wishes
> Idris


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Re: Referencing footnotes by SECTION

[Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد]

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Hi Wolfgang,

On Mon, 02 Jul 2018 00:58:44 -0600, Wolfgang Schuster  
<schuster.wolfgang@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Idris,
>
> you can enable the display of chapter numbers with the prefix-key:
>
> \setupnotation
>    [footnote]
>    [prefix=yes,
>    %prefixsegments=chapter,
>     way=bychapter]

Many thanks for this. There is an unwanted side-effect: Let

marker    = main-text footnote marker
header    = numeral for footnote header
reference = reference numeral

The prefix appears in three places, e.g.,

marker    - II.1
header    - II.1
reference - II.1

but we only want the prefix in the reference, not anywhere else, e.g.,

marker    - 1
header    - 1
reference - II.1

The prefix in the main-text marker and in the footnote header are  
superfluous, e.g., the reader already knows which chapter one is reading.  
But to reference a footnote from a later chapter, a prefix is needed to  
let the reader know which chapter.

So the question is: Can the prefix be made to apply only to the reference  
and not the marker or notation header?

==============
Observation:

For endnotes at the end of a book having the prefix in the header is also  
useful, i.e.,

marker    - 1
header    - II.1
reference - II.1

So a general mechanism to set the prefix for each of the above three would  
be useful.

If not currently supported, would like to make this a feature request.
==============

Thank you again, Wolfgang.

Best wishes
Idris

>> Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد <mailto:Idris.Hamid@colostate.edu>
>> 30. Juni 2018 um 23:04
>> Dear gang,
>>
>> When referencing footnotes that reset each chapter, is there a way to
>> include the chapter information? See attached and below:
>>
>> =======
>> \setuphead[chapter]   [alternative=normal,conversion=R]
>> \setuphead[subsection][alternative=text]
>> \setuphead[subsection][distance=0em,
>>                        textdistance=0.7em,
>>                        sectionstopper=.,
>>                        criterium=local]
>>
>> \setupnotation[footnote][way=bychapter]
>>
>> \setupreferencestructureprefix [section] [default]
>>                                [prefixstopper=\zerowidthspace]
>>
>> \setupwhitespace[big]
>> \starttext
>>
>> \startchapter[title={First},reference={}]
>> \startsubsection[title={},reference={reference1}]
>> \input ward
>> \startfootnote[footnote1]
>> \input ward
>> \stopfootnote{}
>>
>> See \in{Footnote}[footnote2].
>> \stopsubsection
>> \startsubsection[title={},reference={reference2}]
>> \input ward
>> \stopsubsection
>> \stopchapter
>>
>> \startchapter[title={Second}]
>> \startsubsection[title={},reference={reference3}]
>> \input ward
>> \stopsubsection
>> \startsubsection[title={},reference={reference5}]
>> \input ward
>> \startfootnote[footnote2]
>> \input ward
>> \stopfootnote{}
>>
>> See \in{Footnote}[footnote1].
>> \stopsubsection
>> \stopchapter
>> \stoptext
>> =======
>>
>> If line 8 is commented -
>> \setupnotation[footnote][way=bychapter]
>> - we get what we expect. But if line 8 is activated, we get an
>> ambiguity: Both references give back
>>
>>  "Footnote 1"
>>
>> Whereas what we would like is something like this:
>>
>>  Footnote  I.1
>>
>> i.e., Chapter I, Footnote 1 - for the first footnote; and
>>
>>  Footnote II.1
>>
>> i.e., Chapter II, Footnote 1 - for the second footnote.
>>
>> Is there a straightforward way to do this?
>>
>> [[Of course, for the roman chapter numbering we also run into the
>> reference-numberconversionset issue of the other thread, where
>>
>> \definestructureconversionset[OLIE][n,R,n,n,n,n][n]
>> \setupreferencestructureprefix [section] [default]
>>                                [prefixstopper=\zerowidthspace,
>>                                 numberconversionset=OLIE]
>>
>> doesn't seem to work.]]
>>
>> Thank you in advance for any guidance or pointers you can provide!
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Idris
>


-- 
Idris Samawi Hamid, Professor
Department of Philosophy
Colorado State University
Fort Collins, CO 80512

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Re: Referencing footnotes by SECTION

[Wolfgang Schuster]

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>
> Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد <mailto:Idris.Hamid@colostate.edu>
> 2. Juli 2018 um 14:34
> Hi Wolfgang,
>
> On Mon, 02 Jul 2018 00:58:44 -0600, Wolfgang Schuster 
> <schuster.wolfgang@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Idris,
>>
>> you can enable the display of chapter numbers with the prefix-key:
>>
>> \setupnotation
>>    [footnote]
>>    [prefix=yes,
>>    %prefixsegments=chapter,
>>     way=bychapter]
>
> Many thanks for this. There is an unwanted side-effect: Let
>
> marker    = main-text footnote marker
> header    = numeral for footnote header
> reference = reference numeral
>
> The prefix appears in three places, e.g.,
>
> marker    - II.1
> header    - II.1
> reference - II.1
>
> but we only want the prefix in the reference, not anywhere else, e.g.,
>
> marker    - 1
> header    - 1
> reference - II.1
>
> The prefix in the main-text marker and in the footnote header are 
> superfluous, e.g., the reader already knows which chapter one is 
> reading. But to reference a footnote from a later chapter, a prefix is 
> needed to let the reader know which chapter.
>
> So the question is: Can the prefix be made to apply only to the 
> reference and not the marker or notation header?

You have to set different prefixsegments settings for the note entries 
and the references.


\defineconversionset [OLIE] [n,R,n,n,n,n] [n]

\setuphead
   [sectionconversionset=OLIE]

\setupnotation
   [footnote]
   [prefix=yes,
    prefixset=none]

\setupreferencestructureprefix
   [footnote]
   [default]
   [prefixsegments=chapter,
    prefixset=all]

\starttext

\chapter{Chapter}

Hey\footnote[listen]{This is a footnote.}

See \in{footnote}[listen].

\stoptext


> ==============
> Observation:
>
> For endnotes at the end of a book having the prefix in the header is 
> also useful, i.e.,
>
> marker    - 1
> header    - II.1
> reference - II.1
>
> So a general mechanism to set the prefix for each of the above three 
> would be useful.
>
> If not currently supported, would like to make this a feature request.
> ==============

I don’t think this is possible because marker and header share the same 
counter setups.

Wolfgang


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Re: Referencing footnotes by SECTION

[Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد]

On Mon, 02 Jul 2018 07:21:19 -0600, Wolfgang Schuster  
<schuster.wolfgang@gmail.com> wrote:

>> Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد <mailto:Idris.Hamid@colostate.edu>
>> 2. Juli 2018 um 14:34
>> Hi Wolfgang,
>>
>> On Mon, 02 Jul 2018 00:58:44 -0600, Wolfgang Schuster
>> <schuster.wolfgang@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Idris,
>>>
>>> you can enable the display of chapter numbers with the prefix-key:
>>>
>>> \setupnotation
>>>    [footnote]
>>>    [prefix=yes,
>>>    %prefixsegments=chapter,
>>>     way=bychapter]
>>
>> Many thanks for this. There is an unwanted side-effect: Let
>>
>> marker    = main-text footnote marker
>> header    = numeral for footnote header
>> reference = reference numeral
>>
>> The prefix appears in three places, e.g.,
>>
>> marker    - II.1
>> header    - II.1
>> reference - II.1
>>
>> but we only want the prefix in the reference, not anywhere else, e.g.,
>>
>> marker    - 1
>> header    - 1
>> reference - II.1
>>
>> The prefix in the main-text marker and in the footnote header are
>> superfluous, e.g., the reader already knows which chapter one is
>> reading. But to reference a footnote from a later chapter, a prefix is
>> needed to let the reader know which chapter.
>>
>> So the question is: Can the prefix be made to apply only to the
>> reference and not the marker or notation header?
>
> You have to set different prefixsegments settings for the note entries
> and the references.
>
>
> \defineconversionset [OLIE] [n,R,n,n,n,n] [n]
>
> \setuphead
>    [sectionconversionset=OLIE]
>
> \setupnotation
>    [footnote]
>    [prefix=yes,
>     prefixset=none]
>
> \setupreferencestructureprefix
>    [footnote]
>    [default]
>    [prefixsegments=chapter,
>     prefixset=all]
>
> \starttext
>
> \chapter{Chapter}
>
> Hey\footnote[listen]{This is a footnote.}
>
> See \in{footnote}[listen].
>
> \stoptext

Excellent; this is a big help. Many thanks!

>> ==============
>> Observation:
>>
>> For endnotes at the end of a book having the prefix in the header is
>> also useful, i.e.,
>>
>> marker    - 1
>> header    - II.1
>> reference - II.1
>>
>> So a general mechanism to set the prefix for each of the above three
>> would be useful.
>>
>> If not currently supported, would like to make this a feature request.
>> ==============
>
> I don’t think this is possible because marker and header share the same
> counter setups.

Ok, that makes sense. As always, thank you for your pointers and  
explanations!

Best wishes
Idris
-- 
Idris Samawi Hamid, Professor
Department of Philosophy
Colorado State University
Fort Collins, CO 80512
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