* FO and ConTeXt: my new wiki page @ 2005-03-02 7:04 Paul Tremblay 2005-03-02 10:15 ` Adam Lindsay ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Paul Tremblay @ 2005-03-02 7:04 UTC (permalink / raw) I have a new page on the wiki http://contextgarden.net/Page_layout This page is my best effort at describing how someone who is used to FO would do the same thing in ConTeXt. The page is just one of many I hope to write on FO and ConTeXt. I'm sure I got some things wrong, so any help would be appreciated. One thing I was not able to do was customize headers and footers for blank pages that end a part (such as a chapter). I need to include a section in my page describing my inability to do this. Thanks Paul -- ************************ *Paul Tremblay * *phthenry@iglou.com * ************************ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: FO and ConTeXt: my new wiki page 2005-03-02 7:04 FO and ConTeXt: my new wiki page Paul Tremblay @ 2005-03-02 10:15 ` Adam Lindsay 2005-03-02 14:48 ` Paul Tremblay 2005-03-02 20:41 ` Idris Samawi Hamid 2005-03-03 1:52 ` Mojca Miklavec 2 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Adam Lindsay @ 2005-03-02 10:15 UTC (permalink / raw) Paul Tremblay said this at Wed, 2 Mar 2005 02:04:26 -0500: >http://contextgarden.net/Page_layout Thanks for your contribution... I would feel a bit better if you made the relationship to <http://contextgarden.net/Layout> clearer. >This page is my best effort at describing how someone who is used to FO >would do the same thing in ConTeXt. The page is just one of many I hope >to write on FO and ConTeXt. Perhaps you could make a family of pages like FO_Layout and FO_Fonts, to make "The FO Way" clearer--these things are informative to people coming from ConTeXt and XSL-FO alike... This is from the page itself: >ConTeXt has no equivalent to the FO attributes "margin-right" and >"margin-bottom". "cutspace" and "bottomspace", respectively. I'll agree that the documentation on layout stuff is now lagging behind reality, but there are some sources for this information, like the list archives and: <http://texshow.contextgarden.net/ts.rb? lang=en&what=desc&if=en&cmd=setuplayout> [sorry, I would go in and change the wiki myself, but can't at the moment.] -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Adam T. Lindsay, Computing Dept. atl@comp.lancs.ac.uk Lancaster University, InfoLab21 +44(0)1524/510.514 Lancaster, LA1 4WA, UK Fax:+44(0)1524/510.492 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: FO and ConTeXt: my new wiki page 2005-03-02 10:15 ` Adam Lindsay @ 2005-03-02 14:48 ` Paul Tremblay 2005-03-02 21:31 ` Adam Lindsay 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Paul Tremblay @ 2005-03-02 14:48 UTC (permalink / raw) On Wed, Mar 02, 2005 at 10:15:11AM +0000, Adam Lindsay wrote: > Paul Tremblay said this at Wed, 2 Mar 2005 02:04:26 -0500: > > >http://contextgarden.net/Page_layout > > Thanks for your contribution... > I would feel a bit better if you made the relationship to > <http://contextgarden.net/Layout> clearer. > > >This page is my best effort at describing how someone who is used to FO > >would do the same thing in ConTeXt. The page is just one of many I hope > >to write on FO and ConTeXt. > > Perhaps you could make a family of pages like FO_Layout and FO_Fonts, to > make "The FO Way" clearer--these things are informative to people coming > from ConTeXt and XSL-FO alike... I see. So if I am understanding things correctly, you just want me to rename my pages? So instead of having Layout, use FO_Layout? > > This is from the page itself: > >ConTeXt has no equivalent to the FO attributes "margin-right" and > >"margin-bottom". > > "cutspace" and "bottomspace", respectively. I'll agree that the > documentation on layout stuff is now lagging behind reality, but there > are some sources for this information, like the list archives and: > <http://texshow.contextgarden.net/ts.rb? > lang=en&what=desc&if=en&cmd=setuplayout> Thanks. I'll have a look and change the page. Paul -- ************************ *Paul Tremblay * *phthenry@iglou.com * ************************ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: FO and ConTeXt: my new wiki page 2005-03-02 14:48 ` Paul Tremblay @ 2005-03-02 21:31 ` Adam Lindsay 0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Adam Lindsay @ 2005-03-02 21:31 UTC (permalink / raw) Paul Tremblay said this at Wed, 2 Mar 2005 09:48:49 -0500: >> Perhaps you could make a family of pages like FO_Layout and FO_Fonts, to >> make "The FO Way" clearer--these things are informative to people coming >> from ConTeXt and XSL-FO alike... > >I see. So if I am understanding things correctly, you just want me to >rename my pages? So instead of having Layout, use FO_Layout? That's just my suggestion. "Page Layout" suggests that the page is more authoritative than it intends to be. (Yes, nature of the wiki, etc. etc., but there was already a page starting on the general Layout problem.) Best, adam -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Adam T. Lindsay, Computing Dept. atl@comp.lancs.ac.uk Lancaster University, InfoLab21 +44(0)1524/510.514 Lancaster, LA1 4WA, UK Fax:+44(0)1524/510.492 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: FO and ConTeXt: my new wiki page 2005-03-02 7:04 FO and ConTeXt: my new wiki page Paul Tremblay 2005-03-02 10:15 ` Adam Lindsay @ 2005-03-02 20:41 ` Idris Samawi Hamid 2005-03-02 21:07 ` Paul Tremblay 2005-03-03 1:52 ` Mojca Miklavec 2 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Idris Samawi Hamid @ 2005-03-02 20:41 UTC (permalink / raw) > This page is my best effort at describing how someone who is used to FO > would do the same thing in ConTeXt. The page is just one of many I hope > to write on FO and ConTeXt. Excuse my ignorance, but what is FO? Best Idris -- Professor Idris Samawi Hamid Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: FO and ConTeXt: my new wiki page 2005-03-02 20:41 ` Idris Samawi Hamid @ 2005-03-02 21:07 ` Paul Tremblay 0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Paul Tremblay @ 2005-03-02 21:07 UTC (permalink / raw) On Wed, Mar 02, 2005 at 01:41:32PM -0700, Idris Samawi Hamid wrote: > > >This page is my best effort at describing how someone who is used to FO > >would do the same thing in ConTeXt. The page is just one of many I hope > >to write on FO and ConTeXt. > > Excuse my ignorance, but what is FO? > Sorry for not explaining that. Once I get an introductory page set up, I can explain. FO is short for Formatting Object. It serves the same purpose as ConTeXt, except in XML. You markup the document in FO, then run it through a processor, and the output is PDF. Normally, one does not actually write the document directly in FO. Usually one has the document already written in another type of XML, like docbook or TEI. Then one converts the document to FO. FO had great promise in that it was a a standard developed by the same consortium that developed the new standards for HTML. However, the actual open source software to convert FO to PDF is seriously lacking in comparison to LaTeX or ConTeXt. For example, the open source application FOP, written in java, does not let you move tables around on a page. The version of FOP is .2, and if you consider that a mature piece of software has a number of 1.0, you can see how far FOP has to come. One need not know FOP to actually follow my tutorial. Anyone who has to convert from XML, and knows XSLT, will hopefully find some of the tips useful. What I am trying to do is strip down ConTeXt to the bare minimum needed, because with an XSLT conversion, you need less of ConTeXt's features, such as list numbering. Paul -- ************************ *Paul Tremblay * *phthenry@iglou.com * ************************ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: FO and ConTeXt: my new wiki page 2005-03-02 7:04 FO and ConTeXt: my new wiki page Paul Tremblay 2005-03-02 10:15 ` Adam Lindsay 2005-03-02 20:41 ` Idris Samawi Hamid @ 2005-03-03 1:52 ` Mojca Miklavec 2005-03-03 10:04 ` Patrick Gundlach 2 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Mojca Miklavec @ 2005-03-03 1:52 UTC (permalink / raw) Paul Tremblay wrote: > I have a new page on the wiki > > http://contextgarden.net/Page_layout This has nothing to do with the content of the page, I just got an idea when I saw it: To write a highlighting module, say "<xmlcode>", similar to that one for "<texcode>" (I don't how it is made), is probably not so difficult. If more stuff in XML is going to appear on the wiki, XML highlighting would be great. Mojca ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: FO and ConTeXt: my new wiki page 2005-03-03 1:52 ` Mojca Miklavec @ 2005-03-03 10:04 ` Patrick Gundlach 0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Patrick Gundlach @ 2005-03-03 10:04 UTC (permalink / raw) Hello Mojca, > This has nothing to do with the content of the page, I just got an > idea when I saw it: [so we share the same ideas] > To write a highlighting module, say "<xmlcode>", similar to that one > for "<texcode>" It is already in there. Probably hidden, but have a look at http://contextgarden.net/Help:Editing Patrick -- ConTeXt wiki: http://contextgarden.net ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
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