From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/19485 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Mark Smith Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: bibmodule requests Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 12:40:06 +0200 Message-ID: References: <424BB4F3.4030602@elvenkind.com> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1112267774 27648 80.91.229.2 (31 Mar 2005 11:16:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:16:14 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Thu Mar 31 13:16:12 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DGxe8-0005Sj-C5 for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 13:15:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id D97611276C; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 13:16:42 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ronja.vet.uu.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 31230-03; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 13:16:40 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FEE0127DB; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 12:40:13 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CDEC127DB for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 12:40:12 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ronja.vet.uu.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 30642-02-2 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 12:40:11 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from m1.imap-partners.net (m1.imap-partners.net [205.217.153.22]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE34712797 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 12:40:10 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from [10.0.1.4] (p54BCD42C.dip.t-dialin.net [84.188.212.44]) by m1.imap-partners.net (MOS 3.5.6-GR) with ESMTP id AVJ01139 (AUTH mark@bbprojects.net) for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 02:40:07 -0800 (PST) Original-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <424BB4F3.4030602@elvenkind.com> X-Mailer: Mailsmith 2.1.5 (Blindsider) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:19485 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.context:19485 Taco Hoekwater wrote: >Conceptually, the .bib format does not really exist where the module >is involved. I consider the .bbl file to be the actual source >database (this is why there is a \usepublications command). >If someone doesn't want the 1995a item in the bbl, just delete it >for the bbl file and never run bibtex again. (a future version >of the bib module will support MlBibTeX's XML format, when that >becomes available). I'm no particular fan of the bibtex format myself, but I stick with it, bec= ause its the only thing that works everywhere I need it to and it rarely gi= ve me headaches. Taco's post prompted me to actually take a look at .bbl files for the first= time. Taco, are you advocating that for ConTeXt we use skip to using the .bbl fil= e as the point at which we edit our ref files if we are looing for any kind= of non-standard output until such time as something "better" becomes avail= able ? (I've nothing against that in principle. Its just as accessible and managea= ble in an editor as .bib, but I don't think this is going to be popular unt= il such time as we have tools for bbl file management e.g. a la BibDesk on = OS X.) In any case, I don't get the logic behind part of the .bbl syntax. We have = e.g.: \startpublication[k=3DJusterini2005a,t=3Darticle, a=3D{Justerini et~al.},y=3D2005a, n=3D16,s=3DBDBH00a] \artauthor[]{G.}[G.]{}{Justerini} \artauthor[]{A.}[A.]{}{Brooks} ...etc... \pubyear{2005\maybeyear{a}} ...etc... \stoppublication =20 can this perhaps be simplified in defaults or settable via a switch to: =20 \startpublication[k=3DJusterini2005a,t=3Darticle, a=3D{Justerini et~al.},y=3D2005, n=3D16,s=3DBDBH00a] \artauthor[]{G.}[G.]{}{Justerini} \artauthor[]{A.}[A.]{}{Brooks} ...etc... \pubyear{2005} ...etc... \stoppublication =20 ? Put another way, what is the rationale behind having e.g.: y=3D2005a instead of y=3D2005 =20 and: \pubyear{2005\maybeyear{a}} instead of \pubyear{2005} =20 ? Another minor question: why are the text contents of the abstract field har= d-wrapped ? No doubt there are good reasons for all of these. mark.