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Wed, 5 Jul 2023 17:53:58 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qH4pG-0007VB-Dy for ntg-context@ntg.nl; Wed, 05 Jul 2023 17:53:54 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Message-ID-Hash: NSBXMRW3D2PD4AVFC3KCADDBK3TNK53J X-Message-ID-Hash: NSBXMRW3D2PD4AVFC3KCADDBK3TNK53J X-MailFrom: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane-mx.org X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.8 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.comp.tex.context:118021 Archived-At: On Wed, Jul 05, 2023 at 04:43:56PM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote: > On 7/5/2023 3:18 PM, Carlos wrote: > > \showmakeup on \TeX\ shows a > > > > tSP:3.282 > > THK:-1.721 > > H__E > > X > > HK:-1.291 > > SP:3.282 > > no MWE includes so clueless \starttypescript[mylucidaserif] \definefontsynonym[LucidaBrightRegular] [file:LucidaBrightRegular] \definefontsynonym[LucidaBrightItalic] [file:LucidaBrightItalic] \definefontsynonym[LucidaBrightDemiBold] [file:LucidaBrightDemiBold] \definefontsynonym[LucidaBrightDemiItalic] [file:LucidaBrightDemiItalic] \stoptypescript \starttypescript [mylucidaserif] \setups[font:fallback:serif] \definefontsynonym[Serif] [LucidaBrightRegular] [features=default] \definefontsynonym[SerifItalic] [LucidaBrightItalic] [features=default] \definefontsynonym[SerifBold] [LucidaBrightDemiBold] [features=default] \definefontsynonym[SerifBoldItalic] [LucidaBrightDemiItalic] [features=default] \stoptypescript \starttypescript[mylucidasans] \definefontsynonym[LucidaSansRegular] [file:LucidaSansRegular] \definefontsynonym[LucidaSansOblique] [file:LucidaSansOblique] \definefontsynonym[LucidaSansDemiBold] [file:LucidaSansDemiBold] \stoptypescript \starttypescript[mylucidasans] \setups[font:fallback:sans] \definefontsynonym[Sans] [LucidaSansRegular] [features=default] \definefontsynonym[LucidaSansItalic] [LucidaSansOblique] [features=default] \definefontsynonym[LucidaSansSansBold] [LucidaSansDemiBold] [features=default] \stoptypescript \starttypescript [mylucidaserif] \definetypeface [mylucidaserif] [rm] [serif] [mylucidaserif] [default] \definetypeface [mylucidaserif] [ss] [sans] [mylucidasans] [default] \stoptypescript \setupbodyfont[mylucidaserif] %\setupbodyfont[mylucidasans] %\setupbodyfont[14pt] \starttext Thus, I came to the conclusion that the designer of a new system must not only be the implementer and first large||scale user; the designer should also write the first user manual. The separation of any of these four components would have hurt \TeX\ significantly. If I had not participated fully in all these activities, literally hundreds of improvements would never have been made, because I would never have thought of them or perceived why they were important. But a system cannot be successful if it is too strongly influenced by a single person. Once the initial design is complete and fairly robust, the real test begins as people with many different viewpoints undertake their own experiments. \stoptext > > > I assume that SP stands for space. Correct me if I'm wrong > > > > After reading some of the manuals that mention \showmakeup with and > > without [spaces] and so forth, I couldn't find any more info related > > to this. > > > > If anyone can provide me more information as to what does HK means there? > > horizontal kern thanks (sorry for duplicate messages. sending out to mailing list works sporadically Sometimes works, other times doesn't). > > > Anyhow > > > > If I were to have, say, a control _word_ such as \TeX\, the sequence of > > TeX kerning is thrown off. The only remedy would be to have a a \qquad > > preceding the control sequence e.g., {\qquad > > \TeX\ significantly} to sort of ameliorate this side-effect. But then > > again. Spacing is off. e.g., > > no MWE so a space cam come from anywhwere > > > The separation of any of these four components would have > > hurt {\qquad\TeX\ significantly}. If I had not participated fully in > > x{\showmakeup[glue]x\qquad x}x > > imo \qquad is okay > > > But it's interesting that \showmakeup, kerning and spaces would > > display what's to be expected. And yet, the aformentioned set of > > > > tSP:3.282 > > THK:-1.721 > > H__E > > X > > HK:-1.291 > > SP:3.282 > > > > is accurate nevertheless. And a very nice implementation at that, > > but one I fear can't be included on a final document either. > > > > With that being said, the introduction of a \qquad, in addition to > > \showmakeup with, say, redundancy aside, whatever is preceding the \TeX\ > > alongside the file would also introduce a space where no space was ever > > there before. > > > > Because of all of this, and unfortunately, \showmakeup is not quite helpful > > here either. Although it does so displays the amount of spaces and > > so forth, any addition of a \qquad also adds a very subtle unwanted > > space. > > qquad is not that subtle: 2em > > > And since we're looking here, I pressume, solely for accuracy and > > perfection, we're left here with neither: zero, zip. It evaporates. > puzzled > > > Dear Emily: > > I'm still confused as to what groups articles should be posted > > to. How about an example? > > -- Still Confused > > > > Dear Still: > > can we omit these confusing additions in mails to the list? looks / sounds > like a 'bot' to me > > Hans > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE > Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands > tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net > archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ > wiki : https://contextgarden.net > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > -- Imagine that Cray computer decides to make a personal computer. It has a 150 MHz processor, 200 megabytes of RAM, 1500 megabytes of disk storage, a screen resolution of 4096 x 4096 pixels, relies entirely on voice recognition for input, fits in your shirt pocket and costs $300. What's the first question that the computer community asks? "Is it PC compatible?" ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : https://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________