From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/66930 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Thomas Schmitz" Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden? Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 10:00:55 +0100 Message-ID: References: <20110312233554.GB25891@houseag.com> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1300006877 20023 80.91.229.12 (13 Mar 2011 09:01:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 09:01:17 +0000 (UTC) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Sun Mar 13 10:01:13 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([195.12.62.10]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PyhAn-0005a4-19 for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 10:01:13 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70AAACAAF9; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 10:01:11 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id POHqE+0iz0Jb; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 10:01:09 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id C129FCAAF1; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 10:01:08 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDCCECAAF1 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 10:01:07 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id wP2Z8RU7M676 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 10:00:56 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from filter1-ams.mf.surf.net (filter1-ams.mf.surf.net [192.87.102.69]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71D00CAAF0 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 10:00:56 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from uni-bonn.de (mail.uni-bonn.de [131.220.15.113]) by filter1-ams.mf.surf.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5+lenny1) with ESMTP id p2D90t0H014284 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 10:00:55 +0100 Original-Received: from [93.210.235.48] (account tschmit1@uni-bonn.de) by be2.uni-bonn.de (CommuniGate Pro WEBUSER 5.2.12) with HTTP id 6661371 for ntg-context@ntg.nl; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 10:00:55 +0100 X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro WebUser v5.2.12 In-Reply-To: <20110312233554.GB25891@houseag.com> X-Bayes-Prob: 0.9372 (Score 4.2, tokens from: @@RPTN) X-CanIt-Geo: ip=131.220.15.113; country=DE; region=07; city=Bonn; latitude=50.7333; longitude=7.1000; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=50.7333,7.1000&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: uu:ntg-context@ntg.nl (inherits from uu:default, base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 06Eix0TNI - 08bb1bebbc01 - 20110313 X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 192.87.102.69 X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:66930 Archived-At: On Sat, 12 Mar 2011 15:35:54 -0800 Henry House wrote: > > I strongly agree that sample set-up code (ideally >well-commented so that > it also serves as a tutorial of sorts) to reproduce the >style of LaTeX > would be helpful. The appearance of LaTeX documents >isn't perfect but it > produces reasonably high-quality results suitable for >complex technical > documents right out of the box of the box without any >tweaking, whereas > ConTeXt requires (at least it did for me) some trouble >to set it up for > the first time. To some extent this is not because of >the merit of the > LaTeX design itself but the fact that it is familiar and >therefore > highly readable to someone used to reading it. It is >also the point of > departure for a LaTeX user wanting to convert to using >ConTeXt; hence, i > would imagine many such people would prefer to tweak a >LaTeX-like > document appearance to better suit their needs rather >than starting with > something quite different. Certainly, this was the case >for me; being > basically satisfied with my LaTeX documents but wanting >more control and > the option to use the advanced features of ConTeXt. >Having sample set-up > code that emulated LaTeX would have eased the initial >transition for me. > Pardon my French, but this thread is getting less and less useful, probably because it addresses too many issues at a time. It is rapidly degenerating from a "how to restructure the garden" into a "things I wish others would do so my life becomes easier." If someone says "I added a section to the wiki which explains which ConTeXt settings will give a document equivalent to LaTeX XXX class," fine - I would consider this superfluous, but it may help some people. But even strongly agreeing that somebody else should write a tutorial isn't getting any work done. And the assumption that most or all ConTeXt users are, at their heart, LaTeX renegades is not true, I think. Many advanced users haven't used LaTeX ever or in a long time and wouldn't want to waste their time on learning it just for the sake of such a comparison. Sorry for being so blunt, but I think this will be more helpful if we stay focussed. Thomas ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________