Re: Divergent styling when using CSL in pandoc(?)

[John Carter Wood <woodjo-ZOsAvrTRSvuEhhMi0yms2Q@public.gmane.org>]

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Thank you! Removing text-case="title" on l. 312 does solve the et al. and 
ed. problems. 

But then book titles (e.g., the Mumford citation in the examples I sent) 
becomes sentence case, and I need book titles to be in title case. Hmmm. 


Bastien Dumont schrieb am Freitag, 20. Mai 2022 um 17:50:41 UTC+2:

> Remove also text-case="title" on l. 312. As for the p./pp. issue, I don't 
> have any explanation... It may be a bug.
>
> Le Friday 20 May 2022 à 07:56:58AM, John Carter Wood a écrit :
> > Thank you!
> > 
> > That's a helpful explanation. My own workflow is based on Markdown / 
> Pandoc, so
> > that's the "right" version as far as I'm concerned. :-)
> > 
> > I removed the attribute as you suggested, but the et al. and ed. are 
> still
> > being capitalised in the notes (though not in the bibliography...I feel 
> like
> > this should help, but this is my first escapade with re-writing CSL, so 
> this
> > insight hasn't brought me any further).
> > 
> > I have attached an .md file, a .json bibliography and a new version (19) 
> of the
> > .csl file (that includes the change you suggested in the last version).
> > 
> > The command I used was "pandoc CSL-Test-2.md -o CSL-Test-2-IEG-2-19.docx
> > --citeproc --lua-filter pandoc-quotes.lua"
> > 
> > The bibliography is specified in the YAML header.
> > 
> > I hope I have done all this right.
> > 
> > 
> > Bastien Dumont schrieb am Freitag, 20. Mai 2022 um 15:42:47 UTC+2:
> > 
> > When testing your CSL file, you should be aware that Zotero and (I guess)
> > the Visual Editor rely on citeproc-js, which is not fully compliant with
> > the CSL specification. Sometimes, Pandoc is right against them. For
> > instance, if I remember well, the default value for the "match" attribute
> > is "any" in citeproc-js, although it should be "all" (as it is in 
> Pandoc).
> > On the other hand, the specification does not define the expected 
> behaviour
> > for all cases. The issue documented by your first screenshot is a good
> > example of that. The "title" macro is called on l. 332 with the attribute
> > text-case="title", but the <text> element on l. 117 included in this 
> macro
> > has text-case="lowercase": which one should have the precedence? Unless I
> > have missed something, the CSL specification does not define that, so
> > Pandoc applies the attribute value set on the upper-most element and
> > citeproc-js that of the inner-most element. Neither is wrong, so the only
> > solution is to avoid such conflicts in your stylesheet (e.g. by removing
> > the attribute on l. 332).
> > 
> > As for the issue with "p./pp.", I guess that the problem is in your
> > Markdown input, but I can't be sure. Could you provide a minimal sample 
> MD
> > file with a stylesheet and a bibliography?
> > 
> > Le Friday 20 May 2022 à 04:00:49AM, John Carter Wood a écrit :
> > > I have been working on creating a CSL style for the publication
> > house-style at
> > > my institution: I've been making progress adapting another style but am
> > running
> > > into a few issues that seem to only crop up when using the CSL during a
> > > document transformation with pandoc (version 2.18, with CSL file
> > specified in a
> > > YAML block). In the preview for the visual editor they look OK and 
> when I
> > > insert them via Zotero's connector into a LibreOffice / Word document
> > they look
> > > fine too; however, when I create the docx via pandoc there are unwanted
> > > variations on a few points
> > >
> > > There are a few issues, but the format for items in collections seems 
> to
> > be the
> > > main one.
> > >
> > > Here is a screenshot of the same citation: the one on top (which 
> formats
> > > incorrectly) was created by using pandoc. The one on the bottom (which
> > formats
> > > correctly) was directly inserted into the document using Zotero's
> > functionality
> > > in LibreOffice.
> > > CSL-pandoc-issues.png
> > >
> > > The problems:
> > > 1. et al. is capitalising
> > > 2. (ed.) is capitalising
> > > 3. the p./pp. contextualisation isn't working right: using pandoc, when
> > the
> > > locator is a single page, *the page range for the whole citation* 
> revert
> > to a
> > > single "p.", even when it should be plural; if the locator is more than
> > one
> > > page, then "pp." appears in both, as it should.
> > >
> > > As I said, when looking at style using the example citations in the
> > visual
> > > editor at for CSL ([1]https://editor.citationstyles.org/visualEditor/
> ),
> > it also
> > > looks right (as in the second cite.)
> > >
> > > CSL-IEG-Visual-Editor.png
> > >
> > > I am running into a few other challenges with working out CSL, but 
> since
> > this
> > > one seems to specifically relate to using pandoc (which is my main
> > workflow, as
> > > I write in Markdown), I thought I would ask here whether this is a 
> known
> > issue,
> > > whether I'm doing something wrong and whether there's a way to solve
> > this.
> > >
> > > Here, for reference, is my CSL file (which is still a work in 
> progress):
> > >
> > > [2]https://pastebin.com/xefmukzw
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance for any help.
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> > ---
> > title: CSL-Test-2 
> > subtitle: Minimal CSL file 
> > author: PD Dr. John Carter Wood
> > bibliography: /home/john/Documents/libraries/CSL-minimal-test.json
> > csl: /home/john/Documents/csl/ieg-2-en-19.csl
> > lang: en-GB
> > quot-lang: da
> > header-includes:
> > - \usepackage{csquotes}
> > ---
> > # Introduction
> > Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer adipiscing elit 
> [@latourette_community_1938, 15]. Donec "hendrerit tempor tellus" 
> [@oldham_responsible_1948]. Donec pretium posuere tellus 
> [@latourette_community_1938, 10-12]. Proin quam nisl, "tincidunt et, 
> 'mattis eget', convallis nec, purus" [@muller_european_2011, 585]. Cum 
> sociis natoque penatibus et magnis dis parturient montes, nascetur 
> ridiculus mus. Nulla posuere [@muller_european_2011, 586-587]. Donec vitae 
> dolor. Nullam tristique diam non turpis. Cras placerat accumsan nulla. 
> Nullam rutrum. Nam vestibulum accumsan nisl [@mumford_technics_1934, 45].
> > 
> > # Bibliography
> > 
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