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@jgm After doing more research into the value of the role attribute being=
=20
doc-footnote or doc-endnotes, it looks like it all depends on whether we=20
are using an <aside> tag or a <section> tag as mentioned here=20
<https://kb.daisy.org/publishing/docs/html/notes.html#:~:text=3DNote%20that=
%20the%20doc-footnote,to%20group%20notes%20into%20lists.&text=3DNote%20that=
%20the%20doc-endnotes,the%20section%20containing%20the%20endnotes.>
.

In Pandoc HTML generation the footnote section is defined as an <aside> and=
=20
should probably use role=3D"doc-footnote" which would fix the HTML5=20
validation error.

Should I contribute a pull request for this?

I am not sure if this change will cause issues in the EPUB writer, however.

I would like to know your thoughts.

On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 8:12:06=E2=80=AFAM UTC+5:30 Nandakumar=20
Chandrasekhar wrote:

> @jgm I think a possible fix for the ARIA role would be to set it to:
>
> *role=3D"doc-footnote"*
>
> instead of:
>
> *role=3D"doc-endnotes" *
> I found this at:=20
> https://kb.daisy.org/publishing/docs/html/dpub-aria/doc-footnote.html=20
> which fixes the validation error.
>
> Of course, I have only verified this with my limited use case i.e.=20
> footnotes, and I am not sure what the far-reaching consequences of making=
=20
> this change would be.
>
> Cheers
>
> On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 11:15:59=E2=80=AFPM UTC+5:30 Nandakuma=
r=20
> Chandrasekhar wrote:
>
>> Thank you for your reply.
>>
>> I am using the validator put out by the W3C avaliable at:=20
>> https://validator.w3.org/
>>
>> I will experiment with XHTML and figure out the syntactic differences an=
d=20
>> see what happens.
>>
>> I do not know much about aria roles so will have read up on those.
>>
>> Many thanks.
>>
>> On Wed, 15 Nov, 2023, 20:48 Nandakumar Chandrasekhar, <
>> navani...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Folks,
>>>
>>> I have the following question in regard to the HTML 5 generated by=20
>>> Pandoc.
>>>
>>> Is Pandoc generating HTML 5 using the XHTML standard?
>>>
>>> When validating the generated HTML through the W3C validator I see the=
=20
>>> following information notices about void elements:
>>>
>>> Trailing slash on void elements has no effect=20
>>> <https://github.com/validator/validator/wiki/Markup-%C2%BB-Void-element=
s#trailing-slashes-in-void-element-start-tags-do-not-mark-the-start-tags-as=
-self-closing>
>>>  and interacts badly with unquoted attribute values=20
>>> <https://github.com/validator/validator/wiki/Markup-%C2%BB-Void-element=
s#trailing-slashes-directly-preceded-by-unquoted-attribute-values>
>>> .
>>>
>>> Since this is just informational I am not too worried about the trailin=
g=20
>>> slash being placed at the end of elements although it does not seem to =
be=20
>>> part of the HTML 5 standard.
>>>
>>> However, when I am faced with an error like below I would like to fix i=
t:
>>>
>>> Error: Bad value doc-endnotes for attribute role on element aside=20
>>> <https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/#the-aside-element>.
>>> </figure>=E2=86=A9<aside id=3D"footnotes" class=3D"footnotes=20
>>> footnotes-end-of-document"=E2=86=A9role=3D"doc-endnotes">=E2=86=A9<hr /=
>
>>>
>>> I would like to know the community's verdict on this and how I may=20
>>> remove these messages while validating if at all possible. Many thanks
>>>
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@jgm After doing more research into the value of the <font face=3D"Courier =
New">role</font> attribute being=C2=A0<font face=3D"Courier New">doc-footno=
te</font>=C2=A0or=C2=A0<font face=3D"Courier New">doc-endnotes,</font> it l=
ooks like it all depends on whether we are using an=C2=A0<font face=3D"Cour=
ier New">&lt;aside&gt;</font>=C2=A0tag or a <font face=3D"Courier New">&lt;=
section&gt;</font>=C2=A0tag as mentioned <a href=3D"https://kb.daisy.org/pu=
blishing/docs/html/notes.html#:~:text=3DNote%20that%20the%20doc-footnote,to=
%20group%20notes%20into%20lists.&amp;text=3DNote%20that%20the%20doc-endnote=
s,the%20section%20containing%20the%20endnotes.">here</a>.<div><br /></div><=
div>In Pandoc HTML generation the footnote section is defined as an <font f=
ace=3D"Courier New">&lt;aside&gt;</font> and should probably use <font face=
=3D"Courier New">role=3D"doc-footnote" </font><font face=3D"Arial">which wo=
uld fix the HTML5 validation error.</font><br /><br />Should I contribute a=
 pull request for this?</div><div><br /></div><div>I am not sure if this ch=
ange will cause issues in the EPUB writer, however.</div><div><br /></div><=
div>I would like to know your thoughts.</div><div><br /></div><div class=3D=
"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thursday, November =
16, 2023 at 8:12:06=E2=80=AFAM UTC+5:30 Nandakumar Chandrasekhar wrote:<br/=
></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0 0 0 0.8ex; bord=
er-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><font face=3D"Ar=
ial">@jgm I think a possible fix for the ARIA role would be to set it to:</=
font><br><br><div><font>
<font color=3D"#1f2126" face=3D"Courier New"><span><b>role=3D&quot;doc-foot=
note&quot;</b></span></font></font><br></div><div><font><font color=3D"#1f2=
126" face=3D"Courier New"><span><b><br></b></span></font></font></div><div>=
<font face=3D"Arial">instead of:</font><br><br></div><div><b style=3D"color=
:rgb(31,33,38);font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">role=3D&quot;doc-endnot=
es&quot;
</b><br><font face=3D"Arial">I found this at:=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://kb.da=
isy.org/publishing/docs/html/dpub-aria/doc-footnote.html" target=3D"_blank"=
 rel=3D"nofollow" data-saferedirecturl=3D"https://www.google.com/url?hl=3De=
n&amp;q=3Dhttps://kb.daisy.org/publishing/docs/html/dpub-aria/doc-footnote.=
html&amp;source=3Dgmail&amp;ust=3D1700319334275000&amp;usg=3DAOvVaw0z02pqq0=
Q715mASvrsK47j">https://kb.daisy.org/publishing/docs/html/dpub-aria/doc-foo=
tnote.html</a> which fixes the validation error.</font></div><div><b style=
=3D"color:rgb(31,33,38);font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><br></b></div>=
<div><font color=3D"#1f2126" face=3D"Arial"><span>Of course, I have only ve=
rified this with my limited use case i.e. footnotes, and I am not sure what=
 the far-reaching consequences of making this change would be.</span></font=
></div><div><font color=3D"#1f2126" face=3D"Arial"><span><br></span></font>=
</div><div><font color=3D"#1f2126" face=3D"Arial"><span>Cheers</span></font=
></div><div><font face=3D"Sans Serif"><br></font></div><div class=3D"gmail_=
quote"><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wednesday, November 15, 20=
23 at 11:15:59=E2=80=AFPM UTC+5:30 Nandakumar Chandrasekhar wrote:<br></div=
><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 0.8ex;border-left:=
1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"=
auto">Thank you for your reply.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div>I am using=
 the validator put out by the W3C avaliable at:=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://val=
idator.w3.org/" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank" data-saferedirecturl=3D"=
https://www.google.com/url?hl=3Den&amp;q=3Dhttps://validator.w3.org/&amp;so=
urce=3Dgmail&amp;ust=3D1700319334275000&amp;usg=3DAOvVaw2KPMNkuFOXV8khWWAkT=
ic_">https://validator.w3.org/</a><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"a=
uto">I will experiment with XHTML and figure out the syntactic differences =
and see what happens.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I =
do not know much about aria roles so will have read up on those.</div><div =
dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Many thanks.</div></div><br><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote"></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" clas=
s=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, 15 Nov, 2023, 20:48 Nandakumar Chandrasekhar, &lt;=
<a rel=3D"nofollow">navani...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div></div><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0=
 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Dear Folks,<div><br></=
div><div>I have the following question in regard to the HTML 5 generated by=
 Pandoc.<br><br>Is Pandoc generating HTML 5 using the XHTML standard?<br><b=
r>When validating the generated HTML through the W3C validator I see the fo=
llowing information notices about void elements:<br><br><span style=3D"colo=
r:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:16px;font-weight:700">Trailin=
g slash on void elements=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"https://github.com/validato=
r/validator/wiki/Markup-%C2%BB-Void-elements#trailing-slashes-in-void-eleme=
nt-start-tags-do-not-mark-the-start-tags-as-self-closing" title=3D"Trailing=
 slashes in void-element start tags do not mark the start tags as self-clos=
ing" style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:16px;font-weight:700" rel=3D=
"noreferrer nofollow" target=3D"_blank" data-saferedirecturl=3D"https://www=
.google.com/url?hl=3Den&amp;q=3Dhttps://github.com/validator/validator/wiki=
/Markup-%25C2%25BB-Void-elements%23trailing-slashes-in-void-element-start-t=
ags-do-not-mark-the-start-tags-as-self-closing&amp;source=3Dgmail&amp;ust=
=3D1700319334275000&amp;usg=3DAOvVaw3MtnZ6h6UxhszlmPwrNY8N">has no effect</=
a><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:16px;fon=
t-weight:700">=C2=A0and=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"https://github.com/validator=
/validator/wiki/Markup-%C2%BB-Void-elements#trailing-slashes-directly-prece=
ded-by-unquoted-attribute-values" title=3D"Trailing slashes directly preced=
ed by unquoted attribute values" style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:=
16px;font-weight:700" rel=3D"noreferrer nofollow" target=3D"_blank" data-sa=
feredirecturl=3D"https://www.google.com/url?hl=3Den&amp;q=3Dhttps://github.=
com/validator/validator/wiki/Markup-%25C2%25BB-Void-elements%23trailing-sla=
shes-directly-preceded-by-unquoted-attribute-values&amp;source=3Dgmail&amp;=
ust=3D1700319334275000&amp;usg=3DAOvVaw0icwEoTlngnX_lTDgIuSyM">interacts ba=
dly with unquoted attribute values</a><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-=
family:sans-serif;font-size:16px;font-weight:700">.</span><br></div><div><b=
r></div><div>Since this is just informational I am not too worried about th=
e trailing slash being placed at the end of elements although it does not s=
eem to be part of the HTML 5 standard.<br><br>However, when I am faced with=
 an error like below I would like to fix it:</div><div><br><span style=3D"f=
ont-family:sans-serif;font-size:16px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-varia=
nt-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-weight:700;backgro=
und-color:rgb(255,204,204);color:rgb(0,0,0);padding:1px 6px;border-radius:6=
px;border:1px solid rgb(204,204,204)">Error</span><span style=3D"color:rgba=
(0,0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:16px;font-weight:700">:</span><s=
pan style=3D"color:rgba(0,0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:16px;font=
-weight:700">=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:1=
6px;font-weight:700;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Bad value=C2=A0<span style=3D"border:=
1px dashed rgb(153,153,153);padding:2px 4px;font-weight:400">doc-endnotes</=
span>=C2=A0for attribute=C2=A0<span style=3D"border:1px dashed rgb(153,153,=
153);padding:2px 4px;font-weight:400">role</span>=C2=A0on element=C2=A0<a h=
ref=3D"https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/#the-aside-element" rel=3D"no=
referrer nofollow" target=3D"_blank" data-saferedirecturl=3D"https://www.go=
ogle.com/url?hl=3Den&amp;q=3Dhttps://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/%23the-=
aside-element&amp;source=3Dgmail&amp;ust=3D1700319334275000&amp;usg=3DAOvVa=
w1MymflWpBBjwpeRo0VMBl2"><span style=3D"border:1px dashed rgb(153,153,153);=
padding:2px 4px;font-weight:400">aside</span></a>.</span></div><div><span s=
tyle=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif">&lt;/figure&gt;</span><spa=
n title=3D"Line break" style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34);=
border-bottom:thin dotted">=E2=86=A9</span><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);=
font-family:sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,255,128)">&lt;aside id=3D&q=
uot;footnotes&quot; class=3D&quot;footnotes footnotes-end-of-document&quot;=
<span title=3D"Line break" style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);border-bottom:thin =
dotted">=E2=86=A9</span>role=3D&quot;doc-endnotes&quot;&gt;</span><span tit=
le=3D"Line break" style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34);borde=
r-bottom:thin dotted">=E2=86=A9</span><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-=
family:sans-serif">&lt;hr /&gt;</span></div><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(0=
,0,0);font-family:sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><font color=3D"#000000"=
 face=3D"sans-serif"><span>I would like to know the community&#39;s verdict=
 on this and how I may remove these messages while validating if at all pos=
sible.

Many thanks</span></font></div>

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