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charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear John, Okay, I think that I have solved the issue. The clue was in=20 https://hackage.haskell.org/package/texmath-0.8.6.5/changelog where it=20 states "Fixed overbrace, underbrace (#82). Previously we were using the=20 wrong character: U+FE37 instead of U+23DE. This didn't work in Word." If I= =20 switch the unicode character in the input mathML then the conversion does= =20 then work correctly in a simple test.=20 The mathML does still render correctly so I guess I need to switch unicode= =20 under and over braces.=20 Sorry for the confusion and thanks for your time. Emma On Tuesday, 23 January 2018 10:27:53 UTC, Emma Cliffe wrote: > > Dear John, > > Sorry, I should have tested more extensively. You are correct, this does= =20 > fix the LaTeX to Word conversion. However, we are actually converting=20 > MathML to Word. When I originally reported it I got the same incorrect=20 > result on conversion from LaTeX to Word and on conversion from MathML to= =20 > Word so I reported both at once as I assumed, obviously incorrectly that= =20 > the two issues had the same cause. I have now checked everything and the= =20 > situation is: > > LaTeX to Word is now producing the correct output > MathML to Word is still producing incorrect output > > The MathML is: > > > > > > > > x > x > x > … > x > x > > ︸ > > > > n > > > > > > The above renders correctly in Firefox (native rendering) and using=20 > MathJax. I am pretty sure that this is the right MathML? > > I attach a screenshot of what I get when I render the above and the outpu= t=20 > of the transform to Word. I'll keep trying to work out what is actually= =20 > happening. > > Many thanks for any insights, > Emma > > On Monday, 22 January 2018 19:27:38 UTC, John MacFarlane wrote: >> >> Here's what I get when I convert=20 >> >> $$=20 >> \underbrace{xxx\ldots xx}_n=20 >> $$=20 >> >> from markdown to docx (see attached screenshot).=20 >> >> That looks just right to me. I wasn't sure how to=20 >> interpret your "linear format" strings, so I'm not=20 >> sure what you're seeing. You can attach a screenshot.=20 >> >> Your pandoc is compiled against a recent version=20 >> of texmath (0.10.1).=20 >> >> >> +++ Emma Cliffe [Jan 22 18 10:08 ]:=20 >> > Dear John,=20 >> > Thanks for the information below. For some reason I didn't see your= =20 >> > response when you posted it. I have just now tried the latest versio= n=20 >> > of pandoc from the downloads page (pandoc 2.1.1 Compiled with=20 >> > pandoc-types 1.17.3, texmath 0.10.1, skylighting 0.6) and I am=20 >> getting=20 >> > the same problem. The output in linear format of Word is ((xxx=E2=80= =A6xx)=E2=94=AC(}=20 >> > ))=E2=94=ACn which does not render correctly. This seems to be about= the same=20 >> > as what I was getting before: ((xxx=E2=80=A6xx)=E2=94=AC=E2=8F=9F)= =E2=94=ACn and not what I would=20 >> > expect to get: =E2=8F=9F(xxx=E2=80=A6xx)=E2=94=ACn=20 >> > From what I can tell the binary is using a version of texmath that= =20 >> > contains the below mentioned fix?=20 >> > Thanks for any help you can give us.=20 >> > Emma=20 >> > On Tuesday, 3 October 2017 21:52:27 UTC+1, John MacFarlane wrote:=20 >> >=20 >> > This bug got fixed in texmath in February 2016.=20 >> > If you compile your pandoc against the most recent version=20 >> > of texmath, it should work.=20 >> > Anyway, this will be fixed in the pandoc 2.0 binary=20 >> > packages. Or you can try (at your own risk) a binary=20 >> > from pandoc-nightlies.=20 >> > +++ Emma Cliffe [Oct 03 17 02:36 ]:=20 >> > > Morning,=20 >> > > I am having trouble getting pandoc to convert underbrace eithe= r=20 >> > into=20 >> > > Word or out of Word. I wondered if there is either something I= =20 >> > am doing=20 >> > > wrong, whether this is a known problem (I can't find a report)= =20 >> > or if=20 >> > > there is a work round for converting into Word.=20 >> > > If I try to convert:=20 >> > > \[=20 >> > > \underbrace{xxx\ldots xx}_n=20 >> > > \]=20 >> > > for instance then what I get in Word (linear format) is:=20 >> > > ((xxx=E2=80=A6xx)=E2=94=AC=E2=8F=9F)=E2=94=ACn=20 >> > > which does not render as a stretched underbrace.=20 >> > > I would expect to get:=20 >> > > =E2=8F=9F(xxx=E2=80=A6xx)=E2=94=ACn=20 >> > > which is typed directly into Word as \underbrace(xxx\ldots=20 >> xx)_n=20 >> > (then=20 >> > > space to trigger). You get the same linear interpretation if= =20 >> you=20 >> > use=20 >> > > the mouse to create the structure.=20 >> > > The above is the direction I am interested in. I am actually= =20 >> > converting=20 >> > > from MathML and see the same behaviour as in the cut down test= =20 >> > of md or=20 >> > > tex to docx I have explained above.=20 >> > > For completeness I tried to convert in the other direction.=20 >> > Starting=20 >> > > from the above structure in Word I end up with:=20 >> > > \[\underset{n}{}\]=20 >> > > which has not only lost the xxx...xx but underbrace has become= =20 >> > underset=20 >> > > which is not the same thing.=20 >> > > Does anyone know anything more about this?=20 >> > > Many thanks,=20 >> > > Emma=20 >> > >=20 >> > > --=20 >> > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the=20 >> > Google=20 >> > > Groups "pandoc-discuss" group.=20 >> > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from= =20 >> > it, send=20 >> > > an email to [1][1]pandoc-discus...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org=20 >> > > To post to this group, send email to=20 >> > > [2][2]pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org=20 >> > > To view this discussion on the web visit=20 >> > > [3][3]https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/=20 >> > f240aa27-3e64-430c-=20 >> > > 82b0-55e095a5b175%[4]40googlegroups.com.=20 >> > > For more options, visit [4][5]https://groups.google.com/=20 >> > d/optout.=20 >> > >=20 >> > >References=20 >> > >=20 >> > > 1. mailto:[6]pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org=20 >> > > 2. mailto:[7]pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org=20 >> > > 3. 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Dear John,

Okay, I think that I have solved the= issue. The clue was in https://hackage.haskell.org/package/texmath-0.8.6.5= /changelog where it states "Fixed overbrace, underbrace (#82). Previo= usly we were using the wrong character: U+FE37 instead of U+23DE. This didn't work in Word.&quo= t; If I switch the unicode character in the input mathML then the conversio= n does then work correctly in a simple test.

The mathML does still = render correctly so I guess I need to switch unicode under and over braces.=

Sorry for the confusion and thanks for your time.
Emma

<= br>On Tuesday, 23 January 2018 10:27:53 UTC, Emma Cliffe wrote:
Dear John,

Sorry,= I should have tested more extensively. You are correct, this does fix the = LaTeX to Word conversion. However, we are actually converting MathML to Wor= d. When I originally reported it I got the same incorrect result on convers= ion from LaTeX to Word and on conversion from MathML to Word so I reported = both at once as I assumed, obviously incorrectly that the two issues had th= e same cause. I have now checked everything and the situation is:

La= TeX to Word is now producing the correct output
MathML to Word is still = producing incorrect output

The MathML is:

<math xmlns=3D&q= uot;http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML&quo= t; display=3D"block">
=C2=A0 <mrow>
=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 <munder>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <mrow>
=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <munder>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 <mrow>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <mi>x</mi>
=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <mi>x</mi>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <mi>x</mi>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 <mo>&#x2026;</mo>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 <mi>x</mi>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 &= lt;mi>x</mi>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 </mrow>
=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 <mo>&#xFE38;</mo>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= </munder>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </mrow>
=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <mrow>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <mi>n<= /mi>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </mrow>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 </munder>
=C2=A0 </mrow>
</math>

The abo= ve renders correctly in Firefox (native rendering) and using MathJax. I am = pretty sure that this is the right MathML?

I attach a screenshot of = what I get when I render the above and the output of the transform to Word.= I'll keep trying to work out what is actually happening.

Many t= hanks for any insights,
Emma

On Monday, 22 January 2018 19:27:38 = UTC, John MacFarlane wrote:
Here= 9;s what I get when I convert

$$
\underbrace{xxx\ldots xx}_n
$$

from markdown to docx (see attached screenshot).

That looks just right to me. =C2=A0I wasn't sure how to
interpret your "linear format" strings, so I'm not
sure what you're seeing. =C2=A0You can attach a screenshot.

Your pandoc is compiled against a recent version
of texmath (0.10.1).


+++ Emma Cliffe [Jan 22 18 10:08 ]:
> =C2=A0 Dear John,
> =C2=A0 Thanks for the information below. For some reason I didn= 9;t see your
> =C2=A0 response when you posted it. I have just now tried the late= st version
> =C2=A0 of pandoc from the downloads page (pandoc 2.1.1 Compiled wi= th
> =C2=A0 pandoc-types 1.17.3, texmath 0.10.1, skylighting 0.6) and I= am getting
> =C2=A0 the same problem. The output in linear format of Word is ((= xxx=E2=80=A6xx)=E2=94=AC(}
> =C2=A0 ))=E2=94=ACn which does not render correctly. This seems to= be about the same
> =C2=A0 as what I was getting before: ((xxx=E2=80=A6xx)=E2=94=AC=E2= =8F=9F)=E2=94=ACn and not what I would
> =C2=A0 expect to get: =E2=8F=9F(xxx=E2=80=A6xx)=E2=94=ACn
> =C2=A0 From what I can tell the binary is using a version of texma= th that
> =C2=A0 contains the below mentioned fix?
> =C2=A0 Thanks for any help you can give us.
> =C2=A0 Emma
> =C2=A0 On Tuesday, 3 October 2017 21:52:27 UTC+1, John MacFarlane = wrote:
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 This bug got fixed in texmath in February 2016.
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 If you compile your pandoc against the most recent v= ersion
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 of texmath, it should work.
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Anyway, this will be fixed in the pandoc 2.0 binary
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 packages. =C2=A0Or you can try (at your own risk) a = binary
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 from pandoc-nightlies.
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 +++ Emma Cliffe [Oct 03 17 02:36 ]:
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > =C2=A0 Morning,
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > =C2=A0 I am having trouble getting pandoc to co= nvert underbrace either
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 into
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > =C2=A0 Word or out of Word. I wondered if there= is either something I
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 am doing
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > =C2=A0 wrong, whether this is a known problem (= I can't find a report)
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 or if
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > =C2=A0 there is a work round for converting int= o Word.
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > =C2=A0 If I try to convert:
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > =C2=A0 \[
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > =C2=A0 \underbrace{xxx\ldots xx}_n
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > =C2=A0 \]
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > =C2=A0 for instance then what I get in Word (li= near format) is:
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > =C2=A0 ((xxx=E2=80=A6xx)=E2=94=AC=E2=8F=9F)=E2= =94=ACn
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > =C2=A0 which does not render as a stretched und= erbrace.
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > =C2=A0 I would expect to get:
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > =C2=A0 =E2=8F=9F(xxx=E2=80=A6xx)=E2=94=ACn
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > =C2=A0 which is typed directly into Word as \un= derbrace(xxx\ldots xx)_n
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 (then
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > =C2=A0 space to trigger). You get the same line= ar interpretation if you
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 use
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > =C2=A0 the mouse to create the structure.
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > =C2=A0 The above is the direction I am interest= ed in. I am actually
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 converting
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > =C2=A0 from MathML and see the same behaviour a= s in the cut down test
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 of md or
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > =C2=A0 tex to docx I have explained above.
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > =C2=A0 For completeness I tried to convert in t= he other direction.
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Starting
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > =C2=A0 from the above structure in Word I end u= p with:
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > =C2=A0 \[\underset{n}{}\]
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > =C2=A0 which has not only lost the xxx...xx but= underbrace has become
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 underset
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > =C2=A0 which is not the same thing.
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > =C2=A0 Does anyone know anything more about thi= s?
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > =C2=A0 Many thanks,
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > =C2=A0 Emma
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