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Could it provide a simpler / more powerful way to run pandoc in the=20 browser?=20 Regards, S=C3=A9bastien Le lundi 7 novembre 2022 =C3=A0 20:22:29 UTC+1, fiddlosopher a =C3=A9crit : > Oh never mind, I see you're looking for an asterius build. > > > On Nov 7, 2022, at 11:20 AM, John MacFarlane =20 > wrote: > >=20 > > This is the one you want: https://hub.docker.com/r/pandoc/core > > It is always up to date with the latest release. > >=20 > >> On Nov 7, 2022, at 8:56 AM, jcr wrote: > >>=20 > >> I've looked at this a couple of times since I last wrote. It turns out= =20 > the latest Docker image is 2 years old, and apparently contains pandoc=20 > 2.9.2.1. > >>=20 > >> So it looks like I have to do the full pandoc build with ahc-cabal. I= =20 > installed the prerequisites, and started following the instructions to=20 > build Asterius, but immediately hit a snag when it asked me to run a scri= pt=20 > that isn't provided in the repo. It turns out the project now uses bazel,= =20 > whatever that is, but the person who discovered this ran it and found tha= t=20 > he couldn't execute the resulting binaries (see Asterius issue 894). So I= =20 > don't feel encouraged to follow his example. > >>=20 > >> I've had the idea of writing a stub in Python that would parse pandoc= =20 > command line arguments and then use pandoc-server to do the actual=20 > processing. I'd just ignore options like -L that can't be implemented thi= s=20 > way. It wouldn't be a great solution, but it would be adequate for some= =20 > cases. > >>=20 > >> If I do that, Lua filter support in pandoc-server would be very useful= =20 > (most of my filters are indeed safe), but I see from the referenced issue= =20 > that it's not coming soon. > >>=20 > >> On Monday, October 17, 2022 at 4:47:08 PM UTC+2 fiddlosopher wrote: > >> If we could implement=20 > >> https://github.com/jgm/pandoc/issues/8273 "safe mode for Lua filters"= =20 > >> then we could add Lua support to pandoc-server. (Of course, this=20 > assumes that=20 > >> you wouldn't need to use any unsafe functions in your Lua filters.)=20 > >>=20 > >>=20 > >>> On Oct 17, 2022, at 2:15 AM, ffi.a...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org wrote:=20 > >>>=20 > >>> I was playing around with pandoc-server before I decided I needed the= =20 > command-line program. It would work for some cases, but without Lua=20 > scripting, it wouldn't be adequate for the document builds. In theory, I= =20 > could use pandoc-server to convert to a JSON AST, run a filter locally, a= nd=20 > then send it back to the server for the next stage of conversion, but tha= t=20 > seems slow and conplex.=20 > >>>=20 > >>> I probably won't work quickly on building pandoc with Asterius.=20 > >>>=20 > >>>> On Oct 16, 2022, at 7:58 PM, John MacFarlane = =20 > wrote:=20 > >>>>=20 > >>>> =EF=BB=BFThis would be cool, so let us know if you have any success = with=20 > asterius. I haven't tried it myself. If you run into Haskell-specific=20 > problems, let us know and perhaps we can help.=20 > >>>>=20 > >>>> Note: for your iPad purposes, another alternative would be to run=20 > pandoc as a server somewhere. This is now very easy with `pandoc-server`.= =20 > It is fairly full-featured, with the caveat that it runs in "safe mode," = so=20 > you have to explicitly send all resources needed for compilation to the= =20 > server (it won't be able to look for them on your local file system).=20 > >>>>=20 > >>>>> On Oct 16, 2022, at 8:20 AM, jcr wrote:=20 > >>>>>=20 > >>>>> I would like to be able to run pandoc-based document builds on an= =20 > iPad. This seems to be possible with the [a-Shell app]( > https://holzschu.github.io/a-Shell_iOS/). It provides a Unix-like shell= =20 > with LaTeX (additional 1.3GB download), Python, Lua, and many command lin= e=20 > utilities. C and C++ programs can be compiled to WebAssembly on the devic= e=20 > and run there. It is also possible to cross-compile for a-Shell, using a= =20 > [customized WASI-SDK](https://github.com/holzschu/wasi-sdk).=20 > >>>>>=20 > >>>>> [Asterius](https://github.com/tweag/asterius) compiles Haskell to= =20 > WebAssembly, and there are a couple of demos that use it to run pandoc in= a=20 > webpage, but the WebAssembly files they use offer a simple JavaScript=20 > interface to the Haskell pandoc function: (input, from format, to format)= =20 > -> output. I need the full command line interface to run document builds.= =20 > It looks possible, but since I've never used Haskell, its build tools, or= =20 > WASI-SDK, I'm not sure how to go about this. There's a pre-built Docker= =20 > container for Asterius with about 2000 packages from Stockage (I think I= =20 > can guess what that is), but I don't know if I can use that, or if I have= =20 > to rebuild everything from scratch using the customized WASI-SDK. After= =20 > that, I guess I would download the pandoc source and follow the=20 > instructions for building it with cabal, using `ahc-cabal` in place of=20 > `cabal`. 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FYI:



Regards,

S=C3=A9bastien
Le lundi 7 novembre 202= 2 =C3=A0 20:22:29 UTC+1, fiddlosopher a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:
Oh never mind, I see you'r= e looking for an asterius build.

> On Nov 7, 2022, at 11:20 AM, John MacFarlane <fiddlo...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>=20
> This is the one you want: https://hub.docker.com/r/pandoc/core
> It is always up to date with the latest release.
>=20
>> On Nov 7, 2022, at 8:56 AM, jcr <ffi.a...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>>=20
>> I've looked at this a couple of times since I last wrote. = It turns out the latest Docker image is 2 years old, and apparently contain= s pandoc 2.9.2.1.
>>=20
>> So it looks like I have to do the full pandoc build with ahc-c= abal. I installed the prerequisites, and started following the instructions= to build Asterius, but immediately hit a snag when it asked me to run a sc= ript that isn't provided in the repo. It turns out the project now uses= bazel, whatever that is, but the person who discovered this ran it and fou= nd that he couldn't execute the resulting binaries (see Asterius issue = 894). So I don't feel encouraged to follow his example.
>>=20
>> I've had the idea of writing a stub in Python that would p= arse pandoc command line arguments and then use pandoc-server to do the act= ual processing. I'd just ignore options like -L that can't be imple= mented this way. It wouldn't be a great solution, but it would be adequ= ate for some cases.
>>=20
>> If I do that, Lua filter support in pandoc-server would be ver= y useful (most of my filters are indeed safe), but I see from the reference= d issue that it's not coming soon.
>>=20
>> On Monday, October 17, 2022 at 4:47:08 PM UTC+2 fiddlosopher w= rote:
>> If we could implement=20
>> https://github.com/jgm/pandoc/issues/8273 "safe mode for Lua filt= ers"=20
>> then we could add Lua support to pandoc-server. (Of course, th= is assumes that=20
>> you wouldn't need to use any unsafe functions in your Lua = filters.)=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>> On Oct 17, 2022, at 2:15 AM, ffi.a...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org wrote:=20
>>>=20
>>> I was playing around with pandoc-server before I decided I= needed the command-line program. It would work for some cases, but without= Lua scripting, it wouldn't be adequate for the document builds. In the= ory, I could use pandoc-server to convert to a JSON AST, run a filter local= ly, and then send it back to the server for the next stage of conversion, b= ut that seems slow and conplex.=20
>>>=20
>>> I probably won't work quickly on building pandoc with = Asterius.=20
>>>=20
>>>> On Oct 16, 2022, at 7:58 PM, John MacFarlane <fiddlo...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:=20
>>>>=20
>>>> =EF=BB=BFThis would be cool, so let us know if you hav= e any success with asterius. I haven't tried it myself. If you run into= Haskell-specific problems, let us know and perhaps we can help.=20
>>>>=20
>>>> Note: for your iPad purposes, another alternative woul= d be to run pandoc as a server somewhere. This is now very easy with `pando= c-server`. It is fairly full-featured, with the caveat that it runs in &quo= t;safe mode," so you have to explicitly send all resources needed for = compilation to the server (it won't be able to look for them on your lo= cal file system).=20
>>>>=20
>>>>> On Oct 16, 2022, at 8:20 AM, jcr <ffi.a...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> I would like to be able to run pandoc-based docume= nt builds on an iPad. This seems to be possible with the [a-Shell app](https://holzschu.github.= io/a-Shell_iOS/). It provides a Unix-like shell with LaTeX (additional = 1.3GB download), Python, Lua, and many command line utilities. C and C++ pr= ograms can be compiled to WebAssembly on the device and run there. It is al= so possible to cross-compile for a-Shell, using a [customized WASI-SDK](https://github.com/holzschu/w= asi-sdk).=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> [Asterius](https://github.com/tweag/asterius) compiles Haskell to WebAssembly,= and there are a couple of demos that use it to run pandoc in a webpage, bu= t the WebAssembly files they use offer a simple JavaScript interface to the= Haskell pandoc function: (input, from format, to format) -> output. I n= eed the full command line interface to run document builds. It looks possib= le, but since I've never used Haskell, its build tools, or WASI-SDK, I&= #39;m not sure how to go about this. There's a pre-built Docker contain= er for Asterius with about 2000 packages from Stockage (I think I can guess= what that is), but I don't know if I can use that, or if I have to reb= uild everything from scratch using the customized WASI-SDK. After that, I g= uess I would download the pandoc source and follow the instructions for bui= lding it with cabal, using `ahc-cabal` in place of `cabal`. But if anything= goes wrong with the cabal build, I'll be lost.=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Has anyone already done this?=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> --=20
>>>>> You received this message because you are subscrib= ed to the Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group.=20
>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving = emails from it, send an email to pandoc-discus...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org.=20
>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-d= iscuss/bfa54f4a-eedc-4e8e-8671-1aa9f6c63e1dn%40googlegroups.com.=20
>>>>=20
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