Number all paragraphs (for cross references)

Number all paragraphs (for cross references)

[Sage Mad]

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Hello!

In my field (PhD in swiss law), most of the book have notes on the margin 
of each paragraphs. This then allow to reference them (for ex. "see N. x", 
when x is the number of the paragraph), which produce more exactitude (than 
pages). Is there a way to do this with pandoc? I saw that there are issues 
about side or margin notes, but if I understood right, it's about having 
kind of footnotes on the side (like tufte-css). My second question would be 
the same as for my previous one 
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/pandoc-discuss/qwN6zBWo-Xw> about 
footnotes : how to cross reference to this notes?

Thanks.

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Re: Number all paragraphs (for cross references)

[Robert Zenz]

Can you give an example of how this would look and work in the finished document?

Though, I believe that a Lua filter should be able to achieve such a thing.


On 10.07.2018 11:30, Sage Mad wrote:
> Hello!
> 
> In my field (PhD in swiss law), most of the book have notes on the margin 
> of each paragraphs. This then allow to reference them (for ex. "see N. x", 
> when x is the number of the paragraph), which produce more exactitude (than 
> pages). Is there a way to do this with pandoc? I saw that there are issues 
> about side or margin notes, but if I understood right, it's about having 
> kind of footnotes on the side (like tufte-css). My second question would be 
> the same as for my previous one 
> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/pandoc-discuss/qwN6zBWo-Xw> about 
> footnotes : how to cross reference to this notes?
> 
> Thanks.
> 

Re: Number all paragraphs (for cross references)

[Sage Mad]

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Thanks for your concern. Here is an example of a page from a typical law 
book (in french...). You can see the numbers on the side and also that 
there are everywhere references like "infra N ..." or "N ... *ad *...".

Am Dienstag, 10. Juli 2018 11:30:48 UTC+2 schrieb Sage Mad:
>
> Hello!
>
> In my field (PhD in swiss law), most of the book have notes on the margin 
> of each paragraphs. This then allow to reference them (for ex. "see N. x", 
> when x is the number of the paragraph), which produce more exactitude (than 
> pages). Is there a way to do this with pandoc? I saw that there are issues 
> about side or margin notes, but if I understood right, it's about having 
> kind of footnotes on the side (like tufte-css). My second question would be 
> the same as for my previous one 
> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/pandoc-discuss/qwN6zBWo-Xw> 
> about footnotes : how to cross reference to this notes?
>
> Thanks.
>

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Re: Number all paragraphs (for cross references)

[Robert Zenz]

What's your intended output format? For HTML I'm sure you could achieve that
with a Lua filter and some CSS.


On 10.07.2018 11:44, Sage Mad wrote:
> Thanks for your concern. Here is an example of a page from a typical law 
> book (in french...). You can see the numbers on the side and also that 
> there are everywhere references like "infra N ..." or "N ... *ad *...".
> 
> Am Dienstag, 10. Juli 2018 11:30:48 UTC+2 schrieb Sage Mad:
>>
>> Hello!
>>
>> In my field (PhD in swiss law), most of the book have notes on the margin 
>> of each paragraphs. This then allow to reference them (for ex. "see N. x", 
>> when x is the number of the paragraph), which produce more exactitude (than 
>> pages). Is there a way to do this with pandoc? I saw that there are issues 
>> about side or margin notes, but if I understood right, it's about having 
>> kind of footnotes on the side (like tufte-css). My second question would be 
>> the same as for my previous one 
>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/pandoc-discuss/qwN6zBWo-Xw> 
>> about footnotes : how to cross reference to this notes?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
> 

Re: Number all paragraphs (for cross references)

[Sage Mad]

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The reason I want to change to markdown is to avoid choosing output format. 
Concretely, I want to be able to present my work in a "traditional" form 
for my professor (.docx or .pdf), but also to use my work for an online 
publishing (html) or even share it and create a collaborative work in the 
future (in the free software spirit). This said, I make a lot of cross 
references to footnotes and "margin notes" (as described) and would like to 
continue to can do it, in the document itself if possible (so filters seems 
problematic to my approach, if I understand them right). 

Am Dienstag, 10. Juli 2018 11:53:42 UTC+2 schrieb Robert Zenz:
>
> What's your intended output format? For HTML I'm sure you could achieve 
> that 
> with a Lua filter and some CSS. 
>
>
> On 10.07.2018 11:44, Sage Mad wrote: 
> > Thanks for your concern. Here is an example of a page from a typical law 
> > book (in french...). You can see the numbers on the side and also that 
> > there are everywhere references like "infra N ..." or "N ... *ad *...". 
> > 
> > Am Dienstag, 10. Juli 2018 11:30:48 UTC+2 schrieb Sage Mad: 
> >> 
> >> Hello! 
> >> 
> >> In my field (PhD in swiss law), most of the book have notes on the 
> margin 
> >> of each paragraphs. This then allow to reference them (for ex. "see N. 
> x", 
> >> when x is the number of the paragraph), which produce more exactitude 
> (than 
> >> pages). Is there a way to do this with pandoc? I saw that there are 
> issues 
> >> about side or margin notes, but if I understood right, it's about 
> having 
> >> kind of footnotes on the side (like tufte-css). My second question 
> would be 
> >> the same as for my previous one 
> >> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/pandoc-discuss/qwN6zBWo-Xw> 
> >> about footnotes : how to cross reference to this notes? 
> >> 
> >> Thanks. 
> >> 
> > 

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Re: Number all paragraphs (for cross references)

[Robert Zenz]

I don't know how to do it in that case, sorry.


On 10.07.2018 12:12, Sage Mad wrote:
> The reason I want to change to markdown is to avoid choosing output format. 
> Concretely, I want to be able to present my work in a "traditional" form 
> for my professor (.docx or .pdf), but also to use my work for an online 
> publishing (html) or even share it and create a collaborative work in the 
> future (in the free software spirit). This said, I make a lot of cross 
> references to footnotes and "margin notes" (as described) and would like to 
> continue to can do it, in the document itself if possible (so filters seems 
> problematic to my approach, if I understand them right). 
> 
> Am Dienstag, 10. Juli 2018 11:53:42 UTC+2 schrieb Robert Zenz:
>>
>> What's your intended output format? For HTML I'm sure you could achieve 
>> that 
>> with a Lua filter and some CSS. 
>>
>>
>> On 10.07.2018 11:44, Sage Mad wrote: 
>>> Thanks for your concern. Here is an example of a page from a typical law 
>>> book (in french...). You can see the numbers on the side and also that 
>>> there are everywhere references like "infra N ..." or "N ... *ad *...". 
>>>
>>> Am Dienstag, 10. Juli 2018 11:30:48 UTC+2 schrieb Sage Mad: 
>>>>
>>>> Hello! 
>>>>
>>>> In my field (PhD in swiss law), most of the book have notes on the 
>> margin 
>>>> of each paragraphs. This then allow to reference them (for ex. "see N. 
>> x", 
>>>> when x is the number of the paragraph), which produce more exactitude 
>> (than 
>>>> pages). Is there a way to do this with pandoc? I saw that there are 
>> issues 
>>>> about side or margin notes, but if I understood right, it's about 
>> having 
>>>> kind of footnotes on the side (like tufte-css). My second question 
>> would be 
>>>> the same as for my previous one 
>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/pandoc-discuss/qwN6zBWo-Xw> 
>>>> about footnotes : how to cross reference to this notes? 
>>>>
>>>> Thanks. 
>>>>
>>>
> 

Re: Number all paragraphs (for cross references)

[Sage Mad]

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Thanks anyway ;) I still keep in mind the filter idea.

Am Dienstag, 10. Juli 2018 12:15:38 UTC+2 schrieb Robert Zenz:
>
> I don't know how to do it in that case, sorry. 
>
>
> On 10.07.2018 12:12, Sage Mad wrote: 
> > The reason I want to change to markdown is to avoid choosing output 
> format. 
> > Concretely, I want to be able to present my work in a "traditional" form 
> > for my professor (.docx or .pdf), but also to use my work for an online 
> > publishing (html) or even share it and create a collaborative work in 
> the 
> > future (in the free software spirit). This said, I make a lot of cross 
> > references to footnotes and "margin notes" (as described) and would like 
> to 
> > continue to can do it, in the document itself if possible (so filters 
> seems 
> > problematic to my approach, if I understand them right). 
> > 
> > Am Dienstag, 10. Juli 2018 11:53:42 UTC+2 schrieb Robert Zenz: 
> >> 
> >> What's your intended output format? For HTML I'm sure you could achieve 
> >> that 
> >> with a Lua filter and some CSS. 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On 10.07.2018 11:44, Sage Mad wrote: 
> >>> Thanks for your concern. Here is an example of a page from a typical 
> law 
> >>> book (in french...). You can see the numbers on the side and also that 
> >>> there are everywhere references like "infra N ..." or "N ... *ad 
> *...". 
> >>> 
> >>> Am Dienstag, 10. Juli 2018 11:30:48 UTC+2 schrieb Sage Mad: 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Hello! 
> >>>> 
> >>>> In my field (PhD in swiss law), most of the book have notes on the 
> >> margin 
> >>>> of each paragraphs. This then allow to reference them (for ex. "see 
> N. 
> >> x", 
> >>>> when x is the number of the paragraph), which produce more exactitude 
> >> (than 
> >>>> pages). Is there a way to do this with pandoc? I saw that there are 
> >> issues 
> >>>> about side or margin notes, but if I understood right, it's about 
> >> having 
> >>>> kind of footnotes on the side (like tufte-css). My second question 
> >> would be 
> >>>> the same as for my previous one 
> >>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/pandoc-discuss/qwN6zBWo-Xw> 
> >>>> about footnotes : how to cross reference to this notes? 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Thanks. 
> >>>> 
> >>> 
> > 

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Re: Number all paragraphs (for cross references)

[CR]

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OP, have you tried using CSS to number paragraphs? Search here: 
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=CSS+to+number+paragraphs&t=h_&ia=qa


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Re: Number all paragraphs (for cross references)

[CR]

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With http://jsfiddle.net you can test out CSS with HTML and Javascript if 
you want. 

One idea with CSS: 
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/6244591/css-styled-paragraphs-with-paragraph-numbering-and-sidenotes



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Re: Number all paragraphs (for cross references)

[CR]

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Here's the fiddle I made and it numbers paragraphs.

http://jsfiddle.net/ynm635u9/



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Re: Number all paragraphs (for cross references)

[CR]

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You can also use http://cssdeck.com/labs/ to test html and CSS.

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Re: Number all paragraphs (for cross references)

[Sage Mad]

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Hello CR,

Thanks for your answer and proposition. As said, the reason I wanna use 
pandoc and markdown (or a language based on it, preferably widely used) is 
to have an open document, which allow me to convert it to html/css (or 
another "online" format) *and* to "traditional" publishing format, like 
Word, Latex and PDF. So although I have tried CSS, I easily imagine it 
works, but I'm quite reluctant using it, because it would "close me in one 
direction" (the online format). Or am I wrong? 

Am Mittwoch, 11. Juli 2018 14:30:51 UTC+2 schrieb CR:
>
> You can also use http://cssdeck.com/labs/ to test html and CSS.
>
>

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Re: Number all paragraphs (for cross references)

[Joost Kremers]

On Wed, Jul 11 2018, Sage Mad wrote:
> Thanks for your answer and proposition. As said, the reason I 
> wanna use 
> pandoc and markdown (or a language based on it, preferably 
> widely used) is 
> to have an open document, which allow me to convert it to 
> html/css (or 
> another "online" format) *and* to "traditional" publishing 
> format, like 
> Word, Latex and PDF. So although I have tried CSS, I easily 
> imagine it 
> works, but I'm quite reluctant using it, because it would "close 
> me in one 
> direction" (the online format). Or am I wrong? 

Well, what you want is obviously something that is not supported 
by Pandoc as is. Some of its output formats support it, or can be 
made to support it, but Pandoc doesn't have a way to represent it 
and therefore cannot convert it to your desired output formats. So 
in order to not be bound to one output format, you would have to 
implement the missing functionality yourself. Or get someone to do 
it for you, of course ;-).

Note that there are a couple of ways of converting LaTeX to html 
(tex4ht and lwarp come to mind, specifically), but to what extent 
they support the features you're interested in, I don't know. And 
support for e.g., docx is another issue.

-- 
Joost Kremers
Life has its moments

Re: Number all paragraphs (for cross references)

[Sage Mad]

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Thanks for this hard, but certainly right summary. I would be alright with 
not being able to convert to docx, but I would really like to can create a 
"standard" PDF (typically with latex). And I would be ready and glad to 
contribute, but although I have a bit more skills than the "average" (10 
years on ubuntu and now debian helps :)), I have no programming skills (and 
no idea where to start...). I also wonder if it wouldn't be more judicious 
(easy) to configure my editor to do this, albeit I have the impression the 
cross references and, especially, the conversion would then be problematic. 
I also prefer "universal" solutions, but I guess each editor community 
could develop similar functionalities. So if anyone interested in my issues 
with some skills or advices, I'm here =)

Am Mittwoch, 11. Juli 2018 15:13:08 UTC+2 schrieb Joost:
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 11 2018, Sage Mad wrote: 
> > Thanks for your answer and proposition. As said, the reason I 
> > wanna use 
> > pandoc and markdown (or a language based on it, preferably 
> > widely used) is 
> > to have an open document, which allow me to convert it to 
> > html/css (or 
> > another "online" format) *and* to "traditional" publishing 
> > format, like 
> > Word, Latex and PDF. So although I have tried CSS, I easily 
> > imagine it 
> > works, but I'm quite reluctant using it, because it would "close 
> > me in one 
> > direction" (the online format). Or am I wrong? 
>
> Well, what you want is obviously something that is not supported 
> by Pandoc as is. Some of its output formats support it, or can be 
> made to support it, but Pandoc doesn't have a way to represent it 
> and therefore cannot convert it to your desired output formats. So 
> in order to not be bound to one output format, you would have to 
> implement the missing functionality yourself. Or get someone to do 
> it for you, of course ;-). 
>
> Note that there are a couple of ways of converting LaTeX to html 
> (tex4ht and lwarp come to mind, specifically), but to what extent 
> they support the features you're interested in, I don't know. And 
> support for e.g., docx is another issue. 
>
> -- 
> Joost Kremers 
> Life has its moments 
>

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Re: Number all paragraphs (for cross references)

[CR]

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By using CSS, when you generate HTML from your Pandoc Markdown, you could 
number paragraphs in the resulting HTML. But each output document format is 
different in how it will handle the paragraph numbering. 

So it appears Pandoc does not support what you want.

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Re: Number all paragraphs (for cross references)

[Sage Mad]

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Thanks for this same kind of answer, but although I haven't the programing 
skills, it seems to me that if pandoc's markdown format allow to put 
footnotes, which are recognized in all the output formats, it should be 
possible also with "margin notes" (understand numbered paragraphs). I saw 
that there was a proposition to include sidenotes in this form : [>1]. The 
proposition was actually about footnotes in the margins, but the same could 
be done for "my" margin notes. The [>"number"] next to each paragraph would 
be ordered like the footnotes at the conversion moment and it would also 
allow me to cross reference them (assuming a solution is found for my cross 
reference-footnotes 
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/pandoc-discuss/qwN6zBWo-Xw> issue, 
which would basically be the same).  

Am Mittwoch, 11. Juli 2018 16:33:40 UTC+2 schrieb CR:
>
> By using CSS, when you generate HTML from your Pandoc Markdown, you could 
> number paragraphs in the resulting HTML. But each output document format is 
> different in how it will handle the paragraph numbering. 
>
> So it appears Pandoc does not support what you want.
>
>

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Re: Number all paragraphs (for cross references)

[John MacFarlane]

There's no native pandoc construction that renders in
uniformly as a margin note.

To get the result you want, you'd need to use filters
or a custom writer, and this would require some
hand-coding for each format you want to support.

One filter might put each paragraph in a Div with
an identifier giving the unique number (in order).

For HTML output, you might then just need to add some
CSS (and possibly JS) that displays the identifier in
the margin as needed.

For LaTeX, you'd need another filter (or it could be
part of the same one) that adds a bit of custom LaTeX
to do this, for each appropriately marked Div.

This isn't super-hard to do, but it's not "out of the box."

Sage Mad <sagemad-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> writes:

> Thanks for this same kind of answer, but although I haven't the programing 
> skills, it seems to me that if pandoc's markdown format allow to put 
> footnotes, which are recognized in all the output formats, it should be 
> possible also with "margin notes" (understand numbered paragraphs). I saw 
> that there was a proposition to include sidenotes in this form : [>1]. The 
> proposition was actually about footnotes in the margins, but the same could 
> be done for "my" margin notes. The [>"number"] next to each paragraph would 
> be ordered like the footnotes at the conversion moment and it would also 
> allow me to cross reference them (assuming a solution is found for my cross 
> reference-footnotes 
> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/pandoc-discuss/qwN6zBWo-Xw> issue, 
> which would basically be the same).  
>
> Am Mittwoch, 11. Juli 2018 16:33:40 UTC+2 schrieb CR:
>>
>> By using CSS, when you generate HTML from your Pandoc Markdown, you could 
>> number paragraphs in the resulting HTML. But each output document format is 
>> different in how it will handle the paragraph numbering. 
>>
>> So it appears Pandoc does not support what you want.
>>
>>
>
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Re: Number all paragraphs (for cross references)

[Sage Mad]

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Thanks for the answer (also on my other post). I understand that there is 
maybe no need from the community, at least at the moment, to implement such 
a feature. Nevertheless, I don't see why my suggestion wouldn't be 
feasible. If I would have proposed an automated system of numbering *in* 
the md file (which of course would be the best, but I can maybe configure 
my editor for this), then ok. But I "simply" proposed to add (manually) a 
footnote like note (for ex. [>1]), that would then be ordered at the 
conversion level. I suppose it would be needed to create a code or template 
for each output format, but it should be exactly what is done for the 
footnotes. So I guess the system could be somehow copied. Again, I 
understand that the skilled and in the project involved ones don't want to 
do this just for me and I have no idea how much time this "simple" copy 
work can take, but it should be possible (according me...).

Then the cross references is another issue, certainly more complicated 
(and/or work), but there also, I don't see why the (foot/magin) notes can't 
automatically get an id, like the headers, or be given one. This could 
allow to make the references in the document to the notes (something like 
"see fn [5](#^5) ?). And then, a filter could do the automatic numbering 
and adjust the (cross) references.
  
Am Donnerstag, 12. Juli 2018 04:33:04 UTC+2 schrieb John MacFarlane:
>
>
> There's no native pandoc construction that renders in 
> uniformly as a margin note. 
>
> To get the result you want, you'd need to use filters 
> or a custom writer, and this would require some 
> hand-coding for each format you want to support. 
>
> One filter might put each paragraph in a Div with 
> an identifier giving the unique number (in order). 
>
> For HTML output, you might then just need to add some 
> CSS (and possibly JS) that displays the identifier in 
> the margin as needed. 
>
> For LaTeX, you'd need another filter (or it could be 
> part of the same one) that adds a bit of custom LaTeX 
> to do this, for each appropriately marked Div. 
>
> This isn't super-hard to do, but it's not "out of the box." 
>
> Sage Mad <sag...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org <javascript:>> writes: 
>
> > Thanks for this same kind of answer, but although I haven't the 
> programing 
> > skills, it seems to me that if pandoc's markdown format allow to put 
> > footnotes, which are recognized in all the output formats, it should be 
> > possible also with "margin notes" (understand numbered paragraphs). I 
> saw 
> > that there was a proposition to include sidenotes in this form : [>1]. 
> The 
> > proposition was actually about footnotes in the margins, but the same 
> could 
> > be done for "my" margin notes. The [>"number"] next to each paragraph 
> would 
> > be ordered like the footnotes at the conversion moment and it would also 
> > allow me to cross reference them (assuming a solution is found for my 
> cross 
> > reference-footnotes 
> > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/pandoc-discuss/qwN6zBWo-Xw> 
> issue, 
> > which would basically be the same).   
> > 
> > Am Mittwoch, 11. Juli 2018 16:33:40 UTC+2 schrieb CR: 
> >> 
> >> By using CSS, when you generate HTML from your Pandoc Markdown, you 
> could 
> >> number paragraphs in the resulting HTML. But each output document 
> format is 
> >> different in how it will handle the paragraph numbering. 
> >> 
> >> So it appears Pandoc does not support what you want. 
> >> 
> >> 
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Re: Number all paragraphs (for cross references)

[CR]

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The numbering of paragraphs is a great idea. If this feature was added, 
more people would use this feature in a legal brief context. I think this 
is a case where if the feature was added it would attract more users. 

As a programmer, I know this should not be too hard. I know John M (the 
author of Pandoc) is an excellent programmer simply by the results he gets. 
It just depends if he has time to do it. 

There are websites where people can vote on features for the next release. 
I could dig one up of the Pandoc author wants to get votes on new features. 
Those websites are normally free. 

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Re: Number all paragraphs (for cross references)

[Sage Mad]

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Definitely would be in :) Thanks to share the address of this website here. 
That said, the best would probably be to have this on pandoc.org (and if 
not, at least a link to it there, to make it visible) or the Github page. 
Maybe just a new topic on pandoc-discuss could also make it :)

Am Donnerstag, 12. Juli 2018 13:46:35 UTC+2 schrieb CR:
>
> The numbering of paragraphs is a great idea. If this feature was added, 
> more people would use this feature in a legal brief context. I think this 
> is a case where if the feature was added it would attract more users. 
>
> As a programmer, I know this should not be too hard. I know John M (the 
> author of Pandoc) is an excellent programmer simply by the results he gets. 
> It just depends if he has time to do it. 
>
> There are websites where people can vote on features for the next release. 
> I could dig one up of the Pandoc author wants to get votes on new features. 
> Those websites are normally free. 
>
>

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Re: Number all paragraphs (for cross references)

[CR]

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If you create an HTML file first, where each paragraph is numbered, you can 
convert that to PDF easy enough but maybe not with Pandoc (I think).  So 
your document flow might change slightly and be this: Markdown -> HTML -> 
several other formats.

The extra step is simply making an HTML document, which can be converted to 
.DOCX, or PDF, or maybe Latex. By using batch files this step becomes 
trivial once the batch file process is set up.

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Re: Number all paragraphs (for cross references)

[Sage Mad]

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I was already thinking about this .md -> .html -> .pdf solution, but 
besides the fact that I would loose the openness I'm holding to (again, I 
know I'm a bit "headstrong" :)), I red the conversion html2latex is not 
unproblematic and, as far as I know, you can't get a "classic" PDF (like 
with latex or word/libreoffice) from an html format. Or?

Am Mittwoch, 11. Juli 2018 16:35:45 UTC+2 schrieb CR:
>
> If you create an HTML file first, where each paragraph is numbered, you 
> can convert that to PDF easy enough but maybe not with Pandoc (I think).  
> So your document flow might change slightly and be this: Markdown -> HTML 
> -> several other formats.
>
> The extra step is simply making an HTML document, which can be converted 
> to .DOCX, or PDF, or maybe Latex. By using batch files this step becomes 
> trivial once the batch file process is set up.
>
>

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Re: Number all paragraphs (for cross references)

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I did html with css to handle this, then "printed" that to PDF. I blogged 
about 
it http://jmuccigr.github.io/blog/2015/06/10/self-publishing-with-pandoc-etc/ 
. It's not a great solution, but it does what I wanted. Note that you'll 
need to be careful about what counts as a paragraph in your markdown. For 
example, let's say I have a blockquote inside a long bit of text. Is that 
surrounding text a single paragraph, or is it two? (Opinions may differ.) 
My method therefore involved manually labeling the individual paragraphs.

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Re: Number all paragraphs (for cross references)

[Sage Mad]

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Thanks! Your solution definitely works and is quite easy. I still think it 
would be good to have proper "margin" notes, for the sake of 
visibility/clarity and to keep the already limited headers, but it's a good 
workaround. And I agree with your remark about what is a paragraph or not. 
Therefore I think a solution like I proposed (add [>1]) is good, because 
you can make a macro to automatize it in your editor (ex. Ctrl+Enter create 
a new paragraph and add a margin note at the beginning of it) and you keep 
the control. If the notes would be numbered in the editor, like the 
footnotes, it would even allow more easily cross references (this issue 
remains...).

Am Donnerstag, 12. Juli 2018 18:45:39 UTC+2 schrieb John Muccigrosso:
>
> I did html with css to handle this, then "printed" that to PDF. I blogged 
> about it 
> http://jmuccigr.github.io/blog/2015/06/10/self-publishing-with-pandoc-etc/ 
> . It's not a great solution, but it does what I wanted. Note that you'll 
> need to be careful about what counts as a paragraph in your markdown. For 
> example, let's say I have a blockquote inside a long bit of text. Is that 
> surrounding text a single paragraph, or is it two? (Opinions may differ.) 
> My method therefore involved manually labeling the individual paragraphs.
>

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Re: Number all paragraphs (for cross references)

[Sage Mad]

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Hello CR,

Thanks for your answer and proposition. As said, the reason I wanna use 
pandoc and markdown (or a language based on it, preferably widely used) is 
to have an open document, which allow me to convert it to html/css (or 
another "online" format) *and* to "traditional" publishing format, like 
Word, Latex and PDF. So although I haven't tried CSS, I easily imagine it 
works, but I'm (a priori) quite reluctant using it, because I think it 
would "close me in one direction" (the online format). Or am I wrong? 

Am Mittwoch, 11. Juli 2018 14:30:51 UTC+2 schrieb CR:
>
> You can also use http://cssdeck.com/labs/ to test html and CSS.
>
>

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Re: Number all paragraphs (for cross references)

[Sage Mad]

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Hello,

As said on my other bound post 
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/pandoc-discuss/qwN6zBWo-Xw> (cross 
reference to footnotes), I was long time not on this, and my solution here 
will be the same kind. I intend, if possible/time, to create an extension 
that automatically assign an identifier to margin notes, which I need to 
see to can cross reference them during the writing process. So here also, I 
would be happy to hear if someone has a technically/compatibility inspired 
proposition. My idea so far is to put, just before each paragraph I want 
numbered, something like "[§1]". I changed my mind about "[>1]", because 
the ">" is already used for block quotes (even if not in brackets) and in 
general in html, which will be the preferred output. If someone think about 
a better idea, I'm all ears. I would also like to know if better to put a 
space or not just after. So :

[§1] Blablabla VS [§1]Blablabla

or even : 

[§1]
Blablabla?

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Re: Number all paragraphs (for cross references)

[Клуб Ингрия]

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perjantai 15. maaliskuuta 2019 22.42.11 UTC+2 Sage Mad kirjoitti:
>
> create an extension that automatically assign an identifier to margin notes
>

I am using paragraph identifier by using awk to add a random number as the 
identifier
`<p>`
to
`<p id="Id-1507" align="justify">`


However. If I regenerate the document, ALL the identifiers change and any 
previous link is lost.

At the moment I am working on a solution to mark any paragraph by ######### 
(more than 6 #'s) which produces
`<p 
id="at-the-moment-i-am-working-on-a-solution-to-mark-any-paragraph-by-more-than-6-s-which-produces">At 
the moment I am working on a solution to mark any paragraph by ######### 
(more than 6 #'s) which produces</p>`

The bad side of this solution is that the ID is too long as a reference.

At the moment I am trying to somehow cut the end of the ID. 
`cut -c1-13`
or possibly first convert the long id to its md5-sum (or something like 
that) and then cut the string to a shorter one 
`cut -c1-5`

Now the ID would be practically unique and it would change only if the 
contents of the paragraph change.

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