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Juni 2022 um 18:23:27 UTC+2: > Have you tried running pandoc-quotes.lua after citeproc? > > use this in a defaults file: > > ``````yaml > filters: > - citeproc > - pandoc-quotes.lua > `````` > > Make sure to remove any `citeproc: true` field! > > Den tors 30 juni 2022 14:42John Carter Wood skrev: > >> That's very helpful, thank you!=20 >> >> I had looked at the spec but overlooked the part on locales and quotes.= =20 >> >> >> https://docs.citationstyles.org/en/stable/translating-locale-files.html#= punctuation >> >> I will give that a try (probably tomorrow) and report whether it works= =20 >> for me or other problems crop up. >> >> >> suki...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org schrieb am Donnerstag, 30. Juni 2022 um 14:34:13 UTC+2= : >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> After looking at the spec (the only experience I have with CSL files), = I=20 >>> think you would need to modify your CSL file, Add a locale element in t= he=20 >>> root style element, like this: >>> >>> >>> >>> (Or try left-inner-quote and right-inner quote instead, maybe) >>> Hth, >>> Sukil >>> >>> El 30/06/2022 a las 14:04, John Carter Wood escribi=C3=B3: >>> >>> In setting up a CSL file for a German-language publisher (but for=20 >>> English-language texts), I've run into the issue of needing to change t= he=20 >>> typographical quotation marks when converting from Markdown to docx or = pdf.=20 >>> I am familiar with pandoc-quotes.lua but when using it, it changes the= =20 >>> quote marks in the main text, but not in the citations (which come from= a=20 >>> json file).=20 >>> >>> So, I have to use this group of quotation marks: =C2=BB=C2=AB=E2=80=BA= =E2=80=B9, which I have set=20 >>> in a YAML block (quot-marks: =C2=BB=C2=AB=E2=80=BA=E2=80=B9). (The docu= ment language is set to=20 >>> en-GB.)=20 >>> >>> The result changes the main text quotation marks but not the citations= =20 >>> (see screenshot).=20 >>> >>> [image: Screenshot from 2022-06-30 13-55-41.png] >>> >>> Is there a way of getting the quotation marks I want in the citations a= s=20 >>> well? >>> >>> (pandoc-version 2.18) >>> >>> --=20 >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google=20 >>> Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send= =20 >>> an email to pandoc-discus...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org >>> To view this discussion on the web visit=20 >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/da178cb2-48fa-4f53-841= 7-02dcae0129acn%40googlegroups.com=20 >>> >>> . >>> >>> --=20 >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s=20 >> "pandoc-discuss" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send a= n=20 >> email to pandoc-discus...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org >> > To view this discussion on the web visit=20 >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/062deeeb-9dfb-4ca3-ae3a= -10b360293315n%40googlegroups.com=20 >> >> . >> > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= pandoc-discuss" group. 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This is the command I used:

pandoc CSL-Test.md= -o CSL-test.docx --citeproc --lua-filter pandoc-quotes.lua --reference-doc= =3D/home/john/.pandoc/templates/custom-reference.docx CSL-Test.md

Shouldn't this order have the same effect as what you sugge= sted?






BPJ schrieb am Donnerstag, 30. Ju= ni 2022 um 18:23:27 UTC+2:
Have you tried running pandoc-quotes.lua af= ter citeproc?

use this in a de= faults file:

``````yaml<= /div>
filters:
=C2=A0 - citeproc
=C2=A0 - pandoc-quotes.lua
````= ``

Make sure to remove a= ny `citeproc: true` field!

=
Den tors 3= 0 juni 2022 14:42John Carter Wood <woo...-ZOsAvrTRSvuEhhMi0yms2Q@public.gmane.org> skrev:
That's very helpful, thank you! =

I had looked at the spec but overlooked the part on locales and quo= tes.

https://docs.citationstyles.org/en/stable/translating-lo= cale-files.html#punctuation

I will give that a try (probably tom= orrow) and report whether it works for me or other problems crop up.


suk= i...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org schrieb am Donnerstag, 30. Juni 2022 um 14:34:13 UTC+2:<= br>
=20 =20 =20

Hi,

After looking at the spec (the only experience I have with CSL files), I think you would need to modify your CSL file, Add a locale element in the root style element, like this:


<style>

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <locale xml:lang=3D"en">

=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <terms>
=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <= term name =3D "open-quote">&laquo;</term>
=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <= term name =3D "close-quote">&raquo;</term>
=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </terms>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </locale>
</style>
(Or try left-inner-quote and right-inner quote instead, maybe)
Hth,
Sukil

El 30/06/2022 a las 14:04, John Carter Wood escribi=C3=B3:
=20 In setting up a CSL file for a German-language publisher (but for English-language texts), I've run into the issue of needing to change the typographical quotation marks when converting from Markdown to docx or pdf. I am familiar with pandoc-quotes.lua but when using it, it changes the quote marks in the main text, but not in the citations (which come from a json file).

So, I have to use this group of quotation marks: =C2=BB=C2=AB=E2= =80=BA=E2=80=B9, which I have set in a YAML block (quot-marks: =C2=BB=C2=AB=E2=80=BA=E2=80= =B9). (The document language is set to en-GB.)

The result changes the main text quotation marks but not the citations (see screenshot).

3D"Screenshot

Is there a way of getting the quotation marks I want in the citations as well?

(pandoc-version 2.18)
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