default citation style

default citation style

[John MacFarlane]

I was thinking it would be nice to have a default citation
style, so you could omit the --csl parameter and still get
reasonable output.

This could work like templates, the reference.odt, etc.
There would be a default.csl data file, which could be
shadowed by a similarly named file in your ~/.pandoc
directory.

Does that seem reasonable?

John

Re: default citation style

[dsanson]

I like that idea very much.

A built-in default bib file wouldn't make sense, but the option to put
a bib file (default.bib or default.mods or ...) in ~/.pandoc would be
nice, too.

David

On Nov 17, 12:27 am, John MacFarlane <fiddlosop...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> I was thinking it would be nice to have a default citation
> style, so you could omit the --csl parameter and still get
> reasonable output.
>
> This could work like templates, the reference.odt, etc.
> There would be a default.csl data file, which could be
> shadowed by a similarly named file in your ~/.pandoc
> directory.
>
> Does that seem reasonable?
>
> John

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Re: default citation style

[John MacFarlane]

+++ dsanson [Nov 17 10 10:04 ]:
> I like that idea very much.
> 
> A built-in default bib file wouldn't make sense, but the option to put
> a bib file (default.bib or default.mods or ...) in ~/.pandoc would be
> nice, too.

Yes, I agree.

John

Re: default citation style

[John MacFarlane]

+++ John MacFarlane [Nov 17 10 11:57 ]:
> +++ dsanson [Nov 17 10 10:04 ]:
> > I like that idea very much.
> > 
> > A built-in default bib file wouldn't make sense, but the option to put
> > a bib file (default.bib or default.mods or ...) in ~/.pandoc would be
> > nice, too.
> 
> Yes, I agree.

I decided against implementing this.

The problem is that it causes pandoc to read and parse a bibliography
file every time it is run, even if the document doesn't contain
references.  This is a significant performance drag.

You might ask:  why not read it only if the document contains
references?  Because, currently, we determine whether a bare
'@blah' is a reference (as opposed to a reference to an example
list item, for example) is by checking the list of citations from
the bibliography.  So we need to read the bibliography before parsing.
It's possible that we should change this way of proceeding; I'll
post more on this issue in a bit.

John

Re: Re: default citation style

[Andrea Rossato]

On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 10:04:18AM -0800, dsanson wrote:
> I like that idea very much.
> 
> A built-in default bib file wouldn't make sense, but the option to put
> a bib file (default.bib or default.mods or ...) in ~/.pandoc would be
> nice, too.
> 
> David
> 
> On Nov 17, 12:27 am, John MacFarlane <fiddlosop...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > I was thinking it would be nice to have a default citation
> > style, so you could omit the --csl parameter and still get
> > reasonable output.
> >
> > This could work like templates, the reference.odt, etc.
> > There would be a default.csl data file, which could be
> > shadowed by a similarly named file in your ~/.pandoc
> > directory.
> >
> > Does that seem reasonable?


I agree too. I'd include some simple author-date style. I like the
chicago-author-date.csl. But I'd leave the decision to John.

Andrea

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Re: default citation style

[John MacFarlane]

+++ Andrea Rossato [Nov 17 10 22:50 ]:
> On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 10:04:18AM -0800, dsanson wrote:
> > I like that idea very much.
> > 
> > A built-in default bib file wouldn't make sense, but the option to put
> > a bib file (default.bib or default.mods or ...) in ~/.pandoc would be
> > nice, too.
> > 
> > David
> > 
> > On Nov 17, 12:27 am, John MacFarlane <fiddlosop...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > > I was thinking it would be nice to have a default citation
> > > style, so you could omit the --csl parameter and still get
> > > reasonable output.
> > >
> > > This could work like templates, the reference.odt, etc.
> > > There would be a default.csl data file, which could be
> > > shadowed by a similarly named file in your ~/.pandoc
> > > directory.
> > >
> > > Does that seem reasonable?
> 
> 
> I agree too. I'd include some simple author-date style. I like the
> chicago-author-date.csl. But I'd leave the decision to John.

That was the one I planned to use.  By the way, you said before
that I might have a nonstandard version of that file.  Can you send
me the standard version?

John

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Re: default citation style

[John MacFarlane]

This has been implemented in the latest push to github.

+++ John MacFarlane [Nov 16 10 21:27 ]:
> I was thinking it would be nice to have a default citation
> style, so you could omit the --csl parameter and still get
> reasonable output.
> 
> This could work like templates, the reference.odt, etc.
> There would be a default.csl data file, which could be
> shadowed by a similarly named file in your ~/.pandoc
> directory.
> 
> Does that seem reasonable?
> 
> John
> 
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Re: default citation style

[dsanson]

In the same vein, it would be nice to have a default csl path, perhaps
~/.pandoc/csl, so that one could write --csl apa.csl and it would know
to use ~/.pandoc/csl/apa.csl. And---because I am really lazy!--it
would be nice if one could write --csl apa and it would know to use
~/.pandoc/csl/apa.csl.

Re: default citation style

[Bruce]

So I've raised this question of other CSL-supporting applications,
might as well ask it here as well ...

On Nov 20, 10:41 am, dsanson <dsan...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:

> In the same vein, it would be nice to have a default csl path, perhaps
> ~/.pandoc/csl, so that one could write --csl apa.csl and it would know
> to use ~/.pandoc/csl/apa.csl. And---because I am really lazy!--it
> would be nice if one could write --csl apa and it would know to use
> ~/.pandoc/csl/apa.csl.

... why should this necessarily be pandoc-specific? What happens if I
have two or three applications that use CSL? Just symlink ~/.pandoc/
csl to some other directory?

Bruce

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Re: default citation style

[dsanson]

On Nov 20, 9:52 pm, Bruce <bdarcus.li...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:

> ... why should this necessarily be pandoc-specific? What happens if I
> have two or three applications that use CSL? Just symlink ~/.pandoc/
> csl to some other directory?

I agree: there is no reason for it to be pandoc-specific. If there is
some standard place for CSL to go (on a mac, I guess it would be ~/
Library/csl or /Library/csl), supporting that would be better.

David

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Re: default citation style

[John MacFarlane]

+++ Bruce [Nov 20 10 18:52 ]:
> So I've raised this question of other CSL-supporting applications,
> might as well ask it here as well ...
> 
> On Nov 20, 10:41 am, dsanson <dsan...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> 
> > In the same vein, it would be nice to have a default csl path, perhaps
> > ~/.pandoc/csl, so that one could write --csl apa.csl and it would know
> > to use ~/.pandoc/csl/apa.csl. And---because I am really lazy!--it
> > would be nice if one could write --csl apa and it would know to use
> > ~/.pandoc/csl/apa.csl.
> 
> ... why should this necessarily be pandoc-specific? What happens if I
> have two or three applications that use CSL? Just symlink ~/.pandoc/
> csl to some other directory?

I like David's suggestion of having a default directory, and I could
certainly implement that in pandoc. I just need to know whether it should
be ~/.pandoc/csl or ~/.csl. I could do it either way. (But probably not
~/Library/CSL -- I'll use Haskell's getAppUserDataDirectory "foo" to get the
directory -- and on the Mac, that returns "~/.foo".)

I suppose ~/.csl might make better sense, if it's just a directory of
csl style files that could be used by any application.  Any objections?

John

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