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[74.82.3.134]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id pd7sm6343937pac.33.2014.09.26.21.20.04 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 26 Sep 2014 21:20:04 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by johnmacfarlane.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 21349A15E; Sat, 27 Sep 2014 00:24:02 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <246e0391-eb53-40d3-bb59-dc1c97d94ebb-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> X-PGP-Key: http://johnmacfarlane.net/jgm.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Original-Sender: jgm-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jgm-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org designates 209.85.220.52 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jgm-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org Precedence: list Mailing-list: list pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org; contact pandoc-discuss+owners-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1007024079513 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Disposition: inline Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.text.pandoc:10999 Archived-At: +++ hgv [Sep 26 14 14:43 ]: >A larger solution might be in giving up the ability of pandoc-citeproc to >produce either inline citations or note citations. I understand how useful >this is, but if it doesn't actually work for one side of it (notes), I >don't see the value. Of course, I only work with Chicago note-bibliography, >which is where my bias comes from. But it seems to be designed primarily >for those who work with Chicago author-date (and other inline styles), not >really those who use both extensively. But as I'm sure this would entail a >fair amount of work to just get back to where it is now, I understand the >downsides. The question is this: in footnote styles, how SHOULD a citation that appears inside a note be formatted? Clearly not as a footnote, but unfortunately beyond that the style won't give us guidance. Should it be a separate sentence? In parentheses? In brackets? These are all stylistic variations, but the style can't help us here because it's a note style. If this question could be answered, perhaps progress could be made.