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[74.82.3.134]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id s14sm47542899pag.7.2016.05.23.13.22.14 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 23 May 2016 13:22:14 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by johnmacfarlane.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B2CF8A64B; Mon, 23 May 2016 16:22:03 -0400 (EDT) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-PGP-Key: http://johnmacfarlane.net/jgm.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-Original-Sender: jgm-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@berkeley-edu.20150623.gappssmtp.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jgm-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org designates 2607:f8b0:400e:c00::236 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jgm-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org Precedence: list Mailing-list: list pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org; contact pandoc-discuss+owners-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org X-Google-Group-Id: 1007024079513 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.text.pandoc:14998 Archived-At: +++ Martin Fenner [May 22 16 21:42 ]: > In my view the current table implementations supported > by Pandoc do their job, but don't look like a good fit > for the Markdown philosophy of keeping things simple yet > powerful. If "simple yet powerful" is what you want, HTML syntax for specifying tables is great. But the Markdown philosophy is not about being "simple but powerful." It's about having source files that are human-readable text files. Quoting from John Gruber's original Markdown syntax page: > The overriding design goal for Markdown=E2=80=99s formatting syntax > is to make it as readable as possible. The idea is that a > Markdown-formatted document should be publishable as-is, as > plain text, without looking like it=E2=80=99s been marked up with > tags or formatting instructions. CSV is simple (though not as flexible as HTML formatting). But it doesn't pass this test. This design goal is really important to keep in mind when comparing Markdown to alternatives, which are often easier to write (because, for example, sublists are indicated by `**` instead of indentation), but don't look as natural to read. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= pandoc-discuss" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To post to this group, send email to pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/= pandoc-discuss/20160523202204.GG21327%40protagoras.berkeley.edu. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.