From: John MacFarlane <jgm-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org>
To: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: RFC: Designing Logo of Pandoc
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 22:01:21 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20161216210120.GC15292@Johns-MBP.home> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFC_yuRfJ_8rEtGqxJvnWudMKT+pgm8Go_cqoQ9TMDcN+qnsBA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
There are lots of people who post to the issue tracker
things like: why can't you support feature X in Source
Format? It renders in Target Format like so...
They often don't realize that in order to do this, we'd have
to make feature X representable in the AST, and that
would mean handling it in every reader and every writer.
I think that's the kind of thing Kolen is referring to.
+++ BP Jonsson [Dec 16 16 16:39 ]:
> TL;DR: I see no reason to require that a logo reflects aspects of the
> project beyond the basic public interface, and absolutely no reason to
> make a logo design unnecessarily complex for such a reason, because
> there shouldn't be any pressure on users to get involved beyond the
> public interface, except as and when they feel the need themselves.
> I've been thinking a bit more about this and I wonder what kinds of
> misunderstandings of the model you are thinking of. The closest thing I
> have seen on this list and on StackExchange has been users getting
> bitten by this or that feature of LaTeX or RestructuredText not being
> representable in the current AST format. I wouldn't call that
> misunderstanding of the model but rather ignorance of what structural
> elements of supported markup formats *the current implementation of the
> model* can or cannot represent. That's not even limitations of the
> model but limitations of the current implementation which could be
> removed[^1] in a future implementation. I would argue that if they were
> removed most users would just say "phew, finally pandoc supports my
> favorite markup feature" without caring about what changes in the
> implementation, let alone the model, have made it possible. That is as
> it should be. Users should not be required, prodded or even expected to
> understand the engineering behind an application, only the public
> interface. What sets open source apart is that users *may* explore,
> understand and get involved in the engineering, even are invited to do
> so, but there should be no pressure to do so. Even those who do get
> involved usually only do so as and when they are able and willing to
> enhance their own use of the product, or for their own gratification,
> and that's entirely as it should be. Myself I'm still a total Haskell
> illiterate, confining my contributions, and hence also my
> understanding, to filterland. I have gotten rather involved in Jakob's
> Perl filter support project, but that's in the end also helping myself
> to write filters in my preferred language. To be sure I have written
> some filters in response to requests on this list, but naturally that
> has been as and when I have had, or got, an interest in the
> functionality requested. Otherwise I have only more or less
> successfully requested John or others to add features I have needed.
> That may change some day but there are hundreds if not thousands of
> users out there who don't even get to the level where I am, and that's
> entirely legitimate.
> [^1]: NB I'm saying "could", not "should", but I'm thinking that even
> without extending the current set of AST elements some unsupported
> input format constructs could optionally be turned into Div, Span or
> link elements with certain attributes by the readers so that they could
> be handled with filters or turned back into their original constructs
> by the corresponding writers -- optionally, since those attributes
> containers would clutter the markdown output. That's another discussion
> however!
> /bpj
>
> Den 16 dec 2016 00:55 skrev "BP Jonsson" <[1]bpjonsson-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>:
>
> You may see the ∀ in the middle as representing the ∀ST around which
> the conversion between different input and output formats revolves!
> :-)
> /bpj
> Den 2016-12-15 kl. 01:40, skrev Kolen Cheung:
>
> On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 8:45:41 AM UTC-8, BP wrote:
> To a normal user (I.e. you aren’t a Pandoc contributor or filter
> author)
> the AST is an implementation detail which you don’t interact with.
> The
> normal user experience is pandoc -f markdown -t html`, i.e. you
> input a
> document in one markup format and get (a file) in anotheir markup
> format
> (possibly zipped together with sundry other files) as output,
> without any
> intermediate file or files. There is no point in creating a false
> impression that there always must be an intermediate file. In fact
> that may
> scare off potential normal users. To them the thing which sets
> pandoc apart
> from other light markup processors is that it supports conversion
> back and
> forth between multiple markup formats, and the logo should emphasize
> that.
> The logo needs to be intelligible and meaningful to the less geeky
> users
> which hopefully are in majority.
> /bpj
> It certainly is another possible perspective. So let me illustrate
> more on
> my perspective:
> 1.
> There are countless examples of expectation from end-users
> (including
> me) that originated from the misunderstanding of what pandoc is
> and what
> pandoc does. Rather than trying not to “scare off potential
> normal users”
> (which is unlikely to happen from a logo alone, since they won’t
> understand
> the nuance in it at first sight), may be we should set the
> expectation
> right as early as possible, so that they won’t be disappointed
> later on,
> and will not waste time to use pandoc for the wrong task.
> 2.
> The logo having arrows pointing to a common element representing
> AST
> will not make a real difference on first sight. But it would be a
> great
> “entry point” to talk about the philosophy behind pandoc. Having
> a 2nd
> layer of sophistication means intelligible and meaningful to me.
> (i.e. at
> first sight you get something, but there’s a deeper story behind
> it.)
> - To further illustrate on this point, at first glance, pandoc
> seems
> very similar to some other tool, e.g. MultiMarkdown. But as
> one pushes the
> tools further, they will realize pandoc is much deeper than
> what it seems
> like at first glance. So, if the logo can have layers of
> meaning, it
> represents pandoc better.
> I don’t mean it has to be done this way. I mean if there’s arrows,
> arrows
> pointing to a common element is more correct and deeper, and doesn’t
> really
> scare off people (may actually attract the right people), and is a
> path
> worth explore. But if no design makes this looks good and natural,
> we need
> not to force it.
>
>
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2015-08-16 1:44 Yuki Fujiwara
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2015-08-16 5:39 ` Ivan Lazar Miljenovic
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2015-08-16 14:15 ` John MacFarlane
2015-08-22 21:59 ` Yuki Fujiwara
2015-08-16 17:56 ` kurt.pfeifle-gM/Ye1E23mwN+BqQ9rBEUg
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2015-08-16 18:41 ` Daniel Staal
2015-08-16 19:03 ` Nick Moffitt
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2015-08-16 19:33 ` Stefan Björk
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2015-08-19 11:00 ` BP Jonsson
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2015-08-19 15:05 ` Paulo Ney de Souza
2015-08-19 21:30 ` John Muccigrosso
2017-01-07 20:12 ` Steve
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2017-01-07 21:06 ` Kolen Cheung
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2015-08-22 0:01 ` Luis Rivera
2015-08-22 22:25 ` Yuki Fujiwara
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2015-10-31 19:45 ` Albert Krewinkel
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2016-12-08 10:56 ` Kolen Cheung
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2016-12-08 12:31 ` Joost Kremers
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2016-12-08 12:56 ` Kolen Cheung
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2016-12-08 13:29 ` BP Jonsson
2016-12-08 12:58 ` John MacFarlane
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2016-12-08 14:23 ` Kolen Cheung
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2016-12-08 14:55 ` John Gabriele
2016-12-08 15:05 ` BP Jonsson
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2016-12-08 19:40 ` John MacFarlane
2016-12-08 23:02 ` Kolen Cheung
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2016-12-09 2:26 ` Luis Rivera
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2016-12-09 4:14 ` John Muccigrosso
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2016-12-09 6:12 ` Kolen Cheung
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2016-12-09 10:36 ` Kolen Cheung
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2016-12-09 10:38 ` Kolen Cheung
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2016-12-13 21:18 ` Alexis BRENON
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2016-12-16 22:38 ` Kolen Cheung
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2019-12-11 9:15 ` Philip Hodder
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2019-12-11 9:33 ` Alexis BRENON
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2019-12-11 18:47 ` Corentin Dupont
2019-12-11 19:40 ` allefeld
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2019-12-11 19:57 ` John Gabriele
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2019-12-11 20:59 ` thoger.emil
2019-12-11 20:36 ` Daniel Staal
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2019-12-11 22:02 ` John MacFarlane
2019-12-11 22:14 ` allefeld
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2019-12-11 22:19 ` allefeld
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2019-12-12 7:12 ` Alexis BRENON
2019-12-04 9:01 ` Philip Hodder
2019-12-04 20:53 ` Joseph Reagle
2019-12-04 21:37 ` Albert Krewinkel
2016-12-11 13:36 ` Yuki Fujiwara
2015-11-01 22:16 ` kurt.pfeifle-gM/Ye1E23mwN+BqQ9rBEUg
2016-12-10 2:14 ` Kolen Cheung
2016-12-10 18:50 ` 'Insane' via pandoc-discuss
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2016-12-10 19:21 ` daniel
2016-12-10 19:55 ` 'Insane' via pandoc-discuss
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2016-12-10 21:55 ` Alexis BRENON
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2016-12-10 23:36 ` 'Insane' via pandoc-discuss
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2016-12-11 0:27 ` Kolen Cheung
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2016-12-11 12:48 ` 'Insane' via pandoc-discuss
2016-12-11 4:13 ` John Muccigrosso
2016-12-12 14:37 ` Alexis BRENON
2016-12-12 15:45 ` Albert Krewinkel
[not found] ` <fe4ad20e-583b-40da-b98e-62e6f09b82e0-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2016-12-13 13:03 ` Thøger Emil Rivera-Thorsen
2016-12-24 9:25 ` Scott Koga-Browes
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2016-12-24 10:19 ` BP Jonsson
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2016-12-24 11:37 ` Kolen Cheung
[not found] ` <CAFC_yuQFd99YRtvNPXgwMJiJ3=YSVfMZ6zRw1Sb7_ZXyhczzsg@mail.gmail.com>
[not found] ` <CAFC_yuQFd99YRtvNPXgwMJiJ3=YSVfMZ6zRw1Sb7_ZXyhczzsg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-12-24 13:37 ` BP Jonsson
2016-12-24 9:32 ` Scott Koga-Browes
[not found] ` <ec79156b-4ac1-45ae-8cf5-34cef66517fb-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2016-12-24 9:41 ` Kolen Cheung
2016-12-24 18:51 ` John Muccigrosso
2016-12-24 19:56 ` Tristano Ajmone
[not found] ` <19578491-59c9-4c3a-b32e-6930895c35e3-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2016-12-24 22:23 ` Kolen Cheung
[not found] ` <c8c4dad6-71bd-478f-88ff-d73b81a6f6c1-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2016-12-24 23:22 ` Thøger Emil Rivera-Thorsen
[not found] ` <a73d8dd4-12a6-ae18-a197-42a36e658d2e-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-12-25 1:43 ` Kolen Cheung
2016-12-25 11:21 ` Tristano Ajmone
2016-12-25 13:04 ` Tristano Ajmone
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2017-01-19 6:03 ` 藤原由来
2017-01-19 8:03 ` Albert Krewinkel
[not found] ` <87d1fjbhng.fsf-NJ6QtbQ9hATDZamjJ9D3v6C1jgCzLlUE@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-19 8:47 ` Sergio Correia
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2017-01-19 11:00 ` BP Jonsson
2017-01-19 11:22 ` BP Jonsson
2017-01-19 17:09 ` Kolen Cheung
2017-01-19 19:09 ` Kolen Cheung
[not found] ` <8f9805be-9ec0-4808-8e82-efecf8f0b813-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-19 22:14 ` Sergio Correia
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2017-01-20 3:08 ` Kolen Cheung
2017-01-20 8:44 ` Alexis BRENON
2017-01-07 21:01 ` Kolen Cheung
2017-01-20 4:34 ` John Muccigrosso
[not found] ` <dc5a7597-7de8-40ac-a141-7bf686553aea-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-20 9:25 ` John MacFarlane
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2017-01-20 14:39 ` John Muccigrosso
2017-01-20 16:20 ` Kolen Cheung
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2017-01-20 19:07 ` John MacFarlane
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2017-01-20 19:29 ` Kolen Cheung
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2017-01-20 19:32 ` Kolen Cheung
[not found] ` <0cf3032f-cd44-4089-9644-4d2dfa0cd128-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-20 19:44 ` Kolen Cheung
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2017-01-20 20:52 ` Kolen Cheung
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2017-01-20 20:55 ` Kolen Cheung
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2017-01-23 9:35 ` Alexis BRENON
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2017-11-25 19:11 ` Agustín Martín
2017-08-11 14:25 ` Søren ONeill
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2017-11-23 23:15 ` Kolen Cheung
[not found] ` <0743792e-004f-46e6-a0c3-bed24954f39e-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-24 8:56 ` 藤原由来
2017-12-11 8:14 ` Kolen Cheung
[not found] ` <d38d22c6-37d3-4542-9243-764595c16872-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2017-12-12 5:08 ` Kolen Cheung
2017-12-12 2:05 ` iandol
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2017-12-12 4:07 ` iandol
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2017-12-12 21:13 ` BP Jonsson
2019-12-12 9:37 ` Philip Hodder
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2019-12-12 20:42 ` allefeld
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2019-12-14 3:22 ` allefeld
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2019-12-14 3:23 ` allefeld
2019-12-17 5:14 ` John MacFarlane
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2019-12-17 19:09 ` John Gabriele
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2019-12-17 23:50 ` allefeld
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2019-12-18 4:25 ` John Gabriele
2019-12-18 9:07 ` Kolen Cheung
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2019-12-19 23:01 ` allefeld
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2019-12-22 21:17 ` allefeld
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2019-12-25 22:34 ` John Muccigrosso
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2019-12-25 23:38 ` John Gabriele
2019-12-14 16:18 ` mb21
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2019-12-16 14:20 ` Agustín Martín
2019-12-16 15:52 ` John Gabriele
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2020-01-05 3:41 ` Kolen Cheung
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2020-03-07 9:45 ` Albert Krewinkel
2020-01-16 13:16 ` John Muccigrosso
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