Support for tectonic

Support for tectonic

[Tahir Butt]

[-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1284 bytes --]

I just learned of tectonic 
<https://tectonic-typesetting.github.io/en-US/index.html> and would think 
it could serve the pandoc community very well. I am not familiar with the 
TeX engine world but it seems this project is very promising. It is based 
on XeTeX and can be built as a library, making it something that could come 
packaged with the pandoc binary. Further it automatically downloads any 
supporting files that are needed to compile a tex file and avoids creating 
intermediate files.

Would adding support be as simple as adding it to the list here in 
Text.Pandoc.PDF?

https://github.com/jgm/pandoc/blob/master/src/Text/Pandoc/PDF.hs#L124

prog | prog `elem` ["pdflatex", "lualatex", "xelatex"]

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org
To post to this group, send email to pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/3bbd71f8-6ac4-4d30-bf3a-3d30b8590519%40googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 1847 bytes --]

Re: Support for tectonic

[John MacFarlane]

+++ Tahir Butt [Jun 01 17 07:41 ]:
>   I just learned of [1]tectonic and would think it could serve the pandoc
>   community very well. I am not familiar with the TeX engine world but it
>   seems this project is very promising. It is based on XeTeX and can be
>   built as a library, making it something that could come packaged with
>   the pandoc binary. Further it automatically downloads any supporting
>   files that are needed to compile a tex file and avoids creating
>   intermediate files.
>   Would adding support be as simple as adding it to the list here in
>   Text.Pandoc.PDF?
>   https://github.com/jgm/pandoc/blob/master/src/Text/Pandoc/PDF.hs#L124
>   prog | prog `elem` ["pdflatex", "lualatex", "xelatex"]

Not that simple, because it also takes different options.
But it wouldn't be a huge amount of work, I'll bet.

Re: Support for tectonic

[Melroch]

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2430 bytes --]

It seems this is just a modernized equivalent of latexmk. Such a one would
certainly be useful, but as such how does it differ crucially from Pandoc's
built-in "direct-to-pdf" mode, apart from its download-on-demand feature?
Also it seems to be married to BibTeX.

/bpj


Den 1 jun 2017 16:41 skrev "Tahir Butt" <tahir.butt-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>:

> I just learned of tectonic
> <https://tectonic-typesetting.github.io/en-US/index.html> and would think
> it could serve the pandoc community very well. I am not familiar with the
> TeX engine world but it seems this project is very promising. It is based
> on XeTeX and can be built as a library, making it something that could come
> packaged with the pandoc binary. Further it automatically downloads any
> supporting files that are needed to compile a tex file and avoids creating
> intermediate files.
>
> Would adding support be as simple as adding it to the list here in
> Text.Pandoc.PDF?
>
> https://github.com/jgm/pandoc/blob/master/src/Text/Pandoc/PDF.hs#L124
>
> prog | prog `elem` ["pdflatex", "lualatex", "xelatex"]
>
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
> "pandoc-discuss" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
> email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org
> To post to this group, send email to pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org
> To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/
> msgid/pandoc-discuss/3bbd71f8-6ac4-4d30-bf3a-3d30b8590519%
> 40googlegroups.com
> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/3bbd71f8-6ac4-4d30-bf3a-3d30b8590519%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>
> .
> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org
To post to this group, send email to pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/CADAJKhBYqewDQACx%3DXB1GUeLhxH-6Yt0AoqbN%3DrfS2UB6QCUig%40mail.gmail.com.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 3743 bytes --]

Re: Support for tectonic

[Joost Kremers]

On Thu, Jun 01 2017, Tahir Butt wrote:
> I just learned of tectonic 
> <https://tectonic-typesetting.github.io/en-US/index.html> and 
> would think it could serve the pandoc community very well.

I'm a bit sceptical, TBH, at least in its current state. The 
biggest problem I see is the use of BibTeX. BibTeX isn't able to 
handle Unicode (UTF-8), which is weird for a) a system that is 
based on XeTeX, for which Unicode is one of the raisons d'être, 
and b) Pandoc, which uses UTF-8 throughout.

Judging by the issue list on Github, the Tectonic developers are 
aware of the problem but don't see an easy solution.

I'm also a bit puzzled by the installation methods. They are 
suggesting installing through Anaconda, which is a Python 
distribution. Even though Tectonic has nothing to do with Python 
and doesn't use it. There are certainly other ways to package up 
software in order to make it installable on Linux and OS X.

Of course, these may all just be teething problems, since the 
project really is very young: first commit on Github is apparently 
Nov. 2016, so barely half a year ago.



-- 
Joost Kremers
Life has its moments

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org
To post to this group, send email to pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/87h8zz5u37.fsf%40fastmail.fm.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: Support for tectonic

[John MacFarlane]

Yes, the married-to-bibtex part is not good for us.

If this thing takes off, we can consider adding support for
it as a latex engine, but let's wait a bit and see how
it develops.

+++ Joost Kremers [Jun 01 17 22:30 ]:
>
>On Thu, Jun 01 2017, Tahir Butt wrote:
>>I just learned of tectonic 
>><https://tectonic-typesetting.github.io/en-US/index.html> and would 
>>think it could serve the pandoc community very well.
>
>I'm a bit sceptical, TBH, at least in its current state. The biggest 
>problem I see is the use of BibTeX. BibTeX isn't able to handle 
>Unicode (UTF-8), which is weird for a) a system that is based on 
>XeTeX, for which Unicode is one of the raisons d'être, and b) Pandoc, 
>which uses UTF-8 throughout.
>
>Judging by the issue list on Github, the Tectonic developers are aware 
>of the problem but don't see an easy solution.
>
>I'm also a bit puzzled by the installation methods. They are 
>suggesting installing through Anaconda, which is a Python 
>distribution. Even though Tectonic has nothing to do with Python and 
>doesn't use it. There are certainly other ways to package up software 
>in order to make it installable on Linux and OS X.
>
>Of course, these may all just be teething problems, since the project 
>really is very young: first commit on Github is apparently Nov. 2016, 
>so barely half a year ago.
>
>
>
>-- 
>Joost Kremers
>Life has its moments
>
>-- 
>You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group.
>To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org
>To post to this group, send email to pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org
>To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/87h8zz5u37.fsf%40fastmail.fm.
>For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org
To post to this group, send email to pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/20170602074832.GD830%40Administrateurs-iMac-3.local.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: Support for tectonic

[jiewuza]

Joost Kremers <joostkremers-97jfqw80gc6171pxa8y+qA@public.gmane.org>
writes:

> On Thu, Jun 01 2017, Tahir Butt wrote:
>> I just learned of tectonic
>> <https://tectonic-typesetting.github.io/en-US/index.html> and would think it
>> could serve the pandoc community very well.
>
> I'm a bit sceptical, TBH, at least in its current state. The biggest problem I
> see is the use of BibTeX. BibTeX isn't able to handle Unicode (UTF-8), which is
> weird for a) a system that is based on XeTeX, for which Unicode is one of the
> raisons d'être, and b) Pandoc, which uses UTF-8 throughout.
>

This is a distraction from the topic. But how do you guys get
bibliography work without bibtex?


-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org
To post to this group, send email to pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/m2a85p1nkj.fsf%40163.com.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: Support for tectonic

[John MacFarlane]

+++ jiewuza [Jun 03 17 16:29 ]:

>This is a distraction from the topic. But how do you guys get
>bibliography work without bibtex?

Either using biblatex + biber with xelatex, or by
using pandoc's own bibliography system (pandoc-citeproc).