Re: LaTeX and citation inside a footnote

[John MacFarlane <jgm-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org>]

It sounds too special-purpose to think about modifying
pandoc.  Remember, the primary purpose of the citation
syntax is to support pandoc-citeproc, not to generate
LaTeX/bibtex citations.  BibLaTeX is very expressive, and
there's no way we'll ever match that.  But maybe you could
explain better the difference between \cite and \autocite in
this context?

+++ Lyndon Drake [Jun 11 17 06:26 ]:
>   Yes, that would work, but what I need is \cite{} as the first one,
>   followed by \autocite{}. What Pandoc gives is \textcite{}… \autocite{}.
>   That produces a different result in SBL (or any Chicago-based footnote)
>   BibLaTeX style. At the moment, as far as I can tell, there's no way to
>   get Pandoc to generate a \cite{} command, which is what I need.
>   For some BibLaTeX the choice between \textcite{} and \autocite{} is
>   sufficient to cover most use cases. But for the SBL style, it's very
>   difficult to write without access to at least \cite{} as well, and I'm
>   wondering whether you'd consider adding some syntax to allow \cite{} to
>   be called.
>   Does that make more sense?
>   On Sunday, June 11, 2017 at 9:27:11 AM UTC+1, John MacFarlane wrote:
>
>     I'm not sure I follow exactly.  But if you want two
>     \autocites, rather than a \textcite and an \autocite,
>     can't you just do this?
>         ^[[@Gross:1997]. Fensham blah blah [@Fensham:1982]]
>     +++ Lyndon Drake [Jun 10 17 01:03 ]:
>     >   Hi,
>     >   I realised that the question of \cite has come up before, but I
>     have a
>     >   case that's quite common in my field and wondered what the best
>     >   solution is. When writing with the SBL style guide, it's not
>     uncommon
>     >   to want to generate a footnote like this one:
>     >   5. Carl D. Gross, “Is There Any Interest in Nehemiah 5,” Scand.
>     >   J.OldTestam. 11 (1997): 270–78, doi:10.1080/ 09018329708585120.
>     Fensham
>     >   translates as “Everyone of you imposes a burden (loan) on his
>     brother,”
>     >   but gives no philological commentary on this, perhaps because he
>     reads
>     >   the whole episode as being primarily about slavery rather than
>     debt
>     >   (Fensham, The Books of Ezra and Nehemiah, 192).
>     >   Because footnotes are so common, this approach to summarising a
>     >   parenthetical issue is also very common. In author-date citation
>     styles
>     >   (which I used to use for other work) you'd get the citation in
>     the main
>     >   paragraph body, and then a separate footnote, and hence no
>     problems.
>     >   In LaTeX, the desired result can be generated by
>     >   \cite{Gross:1997}. Fensham blah blah
>     \autocite[192]{Fensham1982}.
>     >   I don't know how to get the same effect from Pandoc. The problem
>     is
>     >   that the following:
>     >   ^[@Gross:1997. Fensham blah blah [@Fensham:1982]]
>     >   turns the first into \textcite{}, which in the SBL style is set
>     as:
>     >   Gross ("Is there…" …)
>     >   Which is what \textcite is supposed to do. \autocite{} produces
>     instead
>     >   (Gross, "Is there…" …), which also seems the best option — it
>     parallels
>     >   what one wants with \autocite in a non-footnote paragraph.
>     >   Is there any chance of altering the syntax slightly to allow
>     other
>     >   options in the conversion to LaTeX? What I'd really like is the
>     ability
>     >   to generate \cite{}, which would also be useful in other cases
>     (e.g.
>     >   one is writing a sentence in footnote text such as "For a
>     bibliography,
>     >   see Fensham, blah bah, 1982." where one does not want
>     \parencite{}).
>     >   Or if anyone can suggest a workaround I'm open to ideas.
>     >   Best,
>     >   Lyndon
>     >
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