pandoc transform between markdown and rst support Chinese character not well?

pandoc transform between markdown and rst support Chinese character not well?

[iromise]

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When I use pandoc to transform markdown format table in which there is some 
Chinese character to rst format table,the generated table seems some wrong. 
Such as follows:
(this is a Elf32_Sym introduction, but it is now in Chinese)

md format:

| 字段       | 说明                                       |

| -------- | ---------------------------------------- |

| st_name  | 符号在字符串表中对应的索引。如果该值非 0，则它表示了给出符号名的字符串表索引，否则符号表项没有名称。  注：外部  C  
> 符号在 C 语言和目标文件的符号表中具有相同的名称。 |

| st_value | 给出与符号相关联的数值，具体取值依赖于上下文，可能是一个正常的数值、一个地址等等。 |

| st_size  | 给出对应符号所占用的大小。如果符号没有大小或者大小未知，则此成员为0。      |

| st_info  | 给出符号的类型和绑定属性。之后会给出若干取值和含义的绑定关系。          |

| st_other | 目前为0，其含义没有被定义。                           |

| st_shndx | 每个符号表项都会和某个节区有所关系。此成员给出相关的节区头部表索引。某些索引具有特殊含义。 |

 

rst format:

+-----------+-------------------------------------------+
> | 字段      | 说明                                      |
> +===========+===========================================+
> | st\_name  | 符号在字符串表中对应的索引。如果该值非    |
> |           | 0，则它表示了给出符号名的字符串表索引，否则符号表项没有名称。 |
> |           |                                           |
> |           | 注：外部 C 符号在 C                       |
> |           | 语言和目标文件的符号表中具有相同的名称。  |
> +-----------+-------------------------------------------+
> | st\_value | 给出与符号相关联的数值，具体取值依赖于上下文，可能是一个正常的数值、一个地址等等。 |
> +-----------+-------------------------------------------+
> | st\_size  | 给出对应符号所占用的大小。如果符号没有大小或者大小未知，则此成员为0。 |
> +-----------+-------------------------------------------+
> | st\_info  | 给出符号的类型和绑定属性。之后会给出若干取值和含义的绑定关系。 |
> +-----------+-------------------------------------------+
> | st\_other | 目前为0，其含义没有被定义。               |
> +-----------+-------------------------------------------+
> | st\_shndx | 每个符号表项都会和某个节区有所关系。此成员给出相关的节区头部表索引。某些索引具有特 |
> |           | 殊含义。                                  |
> +-----------+-------------------------------------------+
>

is there any way I can solved it? thanks. 
 

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Re: pandoc transform between markdown and rst support Chinese character not well?

[John MACFARLANE]

Since you have a pipe table with lines that exceed the
stadard column width, the columns get relative widths (based
on the header line lengths).  This is why narrow columns are
used in the RST table.  You can disable this by setting
--columns to a very high number.  But then you'll get a very
wide RST table.

You can also adjust column widths by increasing the size of the
header lines.

The big problem is that you have constrained column widths,
but pandoc isn't able to break the lines anywhere, because
they don't contain regular space characters.

+++ iromise [Oct 16 17 08:44 ]:
>   When I use pandoc to transform markdown format table in which there is
>   some Chinese character to rst format table,the generated table seems
>   some wrong. Such as follows:
>   (this is a Elf32_Sym introduction, but it is now in Chinese)
>   md format:
>
>     | 字段       | 说明                                       |
>
>     | -------- | ---------------------------------------- |
>
>     | st_name  | 符号在字符串表中对应的索引。如果该值非 0，则它表示了给出符号名的字符串表索引，否则符号表项没有名称。
>     注：外部  C  符号在 C 语言和目标文件的符号表中具有相同的名称。 |
>
>     | st_value | 给出与符号相关联的数值，具体取值依赖于上下文，可能是一个正常的数值、一个地址等等。 |
>
>     | st_size  | 给出对应符号所占用的大小。如果符号没有大小或者大小未知，则此成员为0。      |
>
>     | st_info  | 给出符号的类型和绑定属性。之后会给出若干取值和含义的绑定关系。          |
>
>     | st_other | 目前为0，其含义没有被定义。                           |
>
>     | st_shndx | 每个符号表项都会和某个节区有所关系。此成员给出相关的节区头部表索引。某些索引具有特殊含义。 |
>
>
>
>   rst format:
>
>   +-----------+-------------------------------------------+
>
>   | 字段      | 说明                                      |
>
>   +===========+===========================================+
>
>   | st\_name  | 符号在字符串表中对应的索引。如果该值非    |
>
>   |           | 0，则它表示了给出符号名的字符串表索引，否则符号表项没有名称。 |
>
>   |           |                                           |
>
>   |           | 注：外部 C 符号在 C                       |
>
>   |           | 语言和目标文件的符号表中具有相同的名称。  |
>
>   +-----------+-------------------------------------------+
>
>   | st\_value | 给出与符号相关联的数值，具体取值依赖于上下文，可能是一个正常的数值、一个地址等等。 |
>
>   +-----------+-------------------------------------------+
>
>   | st\_size  | 给出对应符号所占用的大小。如果符号没有大小或者大小未知，则此成员为0。 |
>
>   +-----------+-------------------------------------------+
>
>   | st\_info  | 给出符号的类型和绑定属性。之后会给出若干取值和含义的绑定关系。 |
>
>   +-----------+-------------------------------------------+
>
>   | st\_other | 目前为0，其含义没有被定义。               |
>
>   +-----------+-------------------------------------------+
>
>   | st\_shndx | 每个符号表项都会和某个节区有所关系。此成员给出相关的节区头部表索引。某些索引具有特 |
>
>   |           | 殊含义。                                  |
>
>   +-----------+-------------------------------------------+
>
>   is there any way I can solved it? thanks.
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Re: pandoc transform between markdown and rst support Chinese character not well?

[iromise]

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Thanks a lot, but If there is any way to to make the column width fixed and 
at the same time transform markdown table to rst table correctly without 
adding space? 

If I make the column too large, the table in the web page(I use sphinx to 
generate html) seems not friendly since we have to scroll the bar to see 
more content...

在 2017年10月16日星期一 UTC+8下午11:44:56，iromise写道：
>
> When I use pandoc to transform markdown format table in which there is 
> some Chinese character to rst format table,the generated table seems some 
> wrong. Such as follows:
> (this is a Elf32_Sym introduction, but it is now in Chinese)
>
> md format:
>
> | 字段       | 说明                                       |
>
> | -------- | ---------------------------------------- |
>
> | st_name  | 符号在字符串表中对应的索引。如果该值非 0，则它表示了给出符号名的字符串表索引，否则符号表项没有名称。  注：外部  C  
>> 符号在 C 语言和目标文件的符号表中具有相同的名称。 |
>
> | st_value | 给出与符号相关联的数值，具体取值依赖于上下文，可能是一个正常的数值、一个地址等等。 |
>
> | st_size  | 给出对应符号所占用的大小。如果符号没有大小或者大小未知，则此成员为0。      |
>
> | st_info  | 给出符号的类型和绑定属性。之后会给出若干取值和含义的绑定关系。          |
>
> | st_other | 目前为0，其含义没有被定义。                           |
>
> | st_shndx | 每个符号表项都会和某个节区有所关系。此成员给出相关的节区头部表索引。某些索引具有特殊含义。 |
>
>  
>
> rst format:
>
> +-----------+-------------------------------------------+
>> | 字段      | 说明                                      |
>> +===========+===========================================+
>> | st\_name  | 符号在字符串表中对应的索引。如果该值非    |
>> |           | 0，则它表示了给出符号名的字符串表索引，否则符号表项没有名称。 |
>> |           |                                           |
>> |           | 注：外部 C 符号在 C                       |
>> |           | 语言和目标文件的符号表中具有相同的名称。  |
>> +-----------+-------------------------------------------+
>> | st\_value | 给出与符号相关联的数值，具体取值依赖于上下文，可能是一个正常的数值、一个地址等等。 |
>> +-----------+-------------------------------------------+
>> | st\_size  | 给出对应符号所占用的大小。如果符号没有大小或者大小未知，则此成员为0。 |
>> +-----------+-------------------------------------------+
>> | st\_info  | 给出符号的类型和绑定属性。之后会给出若干取值和含义的绑定关系。 |
>> +-----------+-------------------------------------------+
>> | st\_other | 目前为0，其含义没有被定义。               |
>> +-----------+-------------------------------------------+
>> | st\_shndx | 每个符号表项都会和某个节区有所关系。此成员给出相关的节区头部表索引。某些索引具有特 |
>> |           | 殊含义。                                  |
>> +-----------+-------------------------------------------+
>>
>
> is there any way I can solved it? thanks. 
>  
>

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Re: pandoc transform between markdown and rst support Chinese character not well?

[John MacFarlane]

+++ iromise [Oct 16 17 19:39 ]:
>   Thanks a lot, but If there is any way to to make the column width fixed
>   and at the same time transform markdown table to rst table correctly
>   without adding space?
>   If I make the column too large, the table in the web page(I use sphinx
>   to generate html) seems not friendly since we have to scroll the bar to
>   see more content...

You could insert spaces into the content.
This would allow pandoc to break the lines to fit them
in the fixed-width cells.

Re: pandoc transform between markdown and rst support Chinese character not well?

[Václav Haisman]

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Dne úterý 17. října 2017 5:54:09 UTC+2 John MacFarlane napsal(a):
>
> +++ iromise [Oct 16 17 19:39 ]: 
> >   Thanks a lot, but If there is any way to to make the column width 
> fixed 
> >   and at the same time transform markdown table to rst table correctly 
> >   without adding space? 
> >   If I make the column too large, the table in the web page(I use sphinx 
> >   to generate html) seems not friendly since we have to scroll the bar 
> to 
> >   see more content... 
>
> You could insert spaces into the content. 
> This would allow pandoc to break the lines to fit them 
> in the fixed-width cells. 
>
> Maybe Pandoc should consider more opportunities than just spaces for line 
breaking. E.g., use of ICU's BreakIterator 
<https://hackage.haskell.org/package/text-icu-0.7.0.1/docs/Data-Text-ICU-Break.html#t:BreakIterator>
.

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Re: pandoc transform between markdown and rst support Chinese character not well?

[John MacFarlane]

+++ Václav Haisman [Oct 17 17 16:33 ]:
>   Maybe Pandoc should consider more opportunities than just spaces for
>   line breaking. E.g., use of ICU's [1]BreakIterator.

Pandoc just breaks on Space elements in the AST, so we're limited
here.

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Re: pandoc transform between markdown and rst support Chinese character not well?

[Baozheng Liu]

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Ok, thanks a lot. May be I SHOULD give a suggestion to pandoc.

2017-10-18 9:36 GMT+08:00 John MacFarlane <jgm-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org>:

> +++ Václav Haisman [Oct 17 17 16:33 ]:
>
>>   Maybe Pandoc should consider more opportunities than just spaces for
>>   line breaking. E.g., use of ICU's [1]BreakIterator.
>>
>
> Pandoc just breaks on Space elements in the AST, so we're limited
> here.
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Re: pandoc transform between markdown and rst support Chinese character not well?

[BP Jonsson]

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Den 2017-10-16 kl. 17:44, skrev iromise:
> When I use pandoc to transform markdown format table in which there is some
> Chinese character to rst format table,the generated table seems some wrong.

[snip]

> 
> is there any way I can solved it? thanks.
>   
> 

Does it help to replace those spaces you actually have in the 
source with non-breaking spaces? "You can insert a non-breaking 
space in Pandoc Markdown by typing a backslash followed by an 
ordinary space character.

Otherwise setting a high --columns value is the way to go.
If the table in your example is typical --columns=250 would be 
about enough, and shouldn't be a problem on modern screens.
I often need tables with many narrow columns, and then I need to 
set --columns=200 in order to not get unwanted line breaks in the 
middle of (Western script) words.

Moreover this particular table looks like it could profitably be 
reformatted as a definition list, since it has only two columns
(see the attached file!)

/bpj

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    st_name

    :	符号在字符串表中对应的索引。如果该值非 0，则它表示了给出符号名的字符串表索引，否则符号表项没有名称。  注：外部  C  > 符号在 C 语言和目标文件的符号表中具有相同的名称。

    st_value

    :	给出与符号相关联的数值，具体取值依赖于上下文，可能是一个正常的数值、一个地址等等。

    st_size

    :	给出对应符号所占用的大小。如果符号没有大小或者大小未知，则此成员为0。

    st_info

    :	给出符号的类型和绑定属性。之后会给出若干取值和含义的绑定关系。

    st_other

    :	目前为0，其含义没有被定义。

    st_shndx

    :	每个符号表项都会和某个节区有所关系。此成员给出相关的节区头部表索引。某些索引具有特殊含义。



pandoc -r markdown+east_asian_line_breaks -w rst %


    st\_name
        符号在字符串表中对应的索引。如果该值非
        0，则它表示了给出符号名的字符串表索引，否则符号表项没有名称。
        注：外部 C > 符号在 C 语言和目标文件的符号表中具有相同的名称。

    st\_value
        给出与符号相关联的数值，具体取值依赖于上下文，可能是一个正常的数值、一个地址等等。

    st\_size
        给出对应符号所占用的大小。如果符号没有大小或者大小未知，则此成员为0。

    st\_info
        给出符号的类型和绑定属性。之后会给出若干取值和含义的绑定关系。

    st\_other
        目前为0，其含义没有被定义。

    st\_shndx
        每个符号表项都会和某个节区有所关系。此成员给出相关的节区头部表索引。某些索引具有特殊含义。

Re: pandoc transform between markdown and rst support Chinese character not well?

[John MACFARLANE]

+++ BP Jonsson [Oct 19 17 13:56 ]:
>Den 2017-10-16 kl. 17:44, skrev iromise:
>>When I use pandoc to transform markdown format table in which there is some
>>Chinese character to rst format table,the generated table seems some wrong.
>
>[snip]
>
>>
>>is there any way I can solved it? thanks.
>>
>
>Does it help to replace those spaces you actually have in the source 
>with non-breaking spaces?

The problem is the reverse.  There are no spaces in the
source, just Chinese punctuation characters that include a
space.  Pandoc won't break on those, and this makes the line
too long to fit in a cell of the required width.

Re: pandoc transform between markdown and rst support Chinese character not well?

[Baozheng Liu]

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So will pandoc be able to solve this problem in another way?

2017-10-20 0:10 GMT+08:00 John MACFARLANE <jgm-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org>:

> +++ BP Jonsson [Oct 19 17 13:56 ]:
>
>> Den 2017-10-16 kl. 17:44, skrev iromise:
>>
>>> When I use pandoc to transform markdown format table in which there is
>>> some
>>> Chinese character to rst format table,the generated table seems some
>>> wrong.
>>>
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>
>>> is there any way I can solved it? thanks.
>>>
>>>
>> Does it help to replace those spaces you actually have in the source with
>> non-breaking spaces?
>>
>
> The problem is the reverse.  There are no spaces in the
> source, just Chinese punctuation characters that include a
> space.  Pandoc won't break on those, and this makes the line
> too long to fit in a cell of the required width.
>
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Re: pandoc transform between markdown and rst support Chinese character not well?

[John MACFARLANE]

If you insert a regular space character, that will allow
pandoc to break the line.  The other alternative, as noted,
is to use a very wide --columns setting, but that's going
to give you a very wide table.


+++ Baozheng Liu [Oct 20 17 10:52 ]:
>   So will pandoc be able to solve this problem in another way?

Re: pandoc transform between markdown and rst support Chinese character not well?

[Baozheng Liu]

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But I think that may be pandoc should split the line for us since it may
take us a lot of time to make sure that space is regular...

2017-10-21 0:28 GMT+08:00 John MACFARLANE <jgm-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org>:

> If you insert a regular space character, that will allow
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> is to use a very wide --columns setting, but that's going
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>
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>
>>   So will pandoc be able to solve this problem in another way?
>>
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Re: pandoc transform between markdown and rst support Chinese character not well?

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Where should it split, if there is no space for guidance?

One option for RST tables would be to artificially split
at some arbitrary location when the whole string won't fit.
But this is going to give ugly results in general.

+++ Baozheng Liu [Oct 21 17 15:56 ]:
>   But I think that may be pandoc should split the line for us since it
>   may take us a lot of time to make sure that space is regular...
>
>   2017-10-21 0:28 GMT+08:00 John MACFARLANE <[1]jgm-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org>:
>
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>     is to use a very wide --columns setting, but that's going
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>     +++ Baozheng Liu [Oct 20 17 10:52 ]:
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Re: pandoc transform between markdown and rst support Chinese character not well?

[Baozheng Liu]

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yeah, there might not be some perfect methods, but I think the table can
show just like when it was in markdown format.

2017-10-22 0:02 GMT+08:00 John MacFarlane <jgm-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org>:

> Where should it split, if there is no space for guidance?
>
> One option for RST tables would be to artificially split
> at some arbitrary location when the whole string won't fit.
> But this is going to give ugly results in general.
>
> +++ Baozheng Liu [Oct 21 17 15:56 ]:
>
>>   But I think that may be pandoc should split the line for us since it
>>   may take us a lot of time to make sure that space is regular...
>>
>>   2017-10-21 0:28 GMT+08:00 John MACFARLANE <[1]jgm-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org>:
>>
>>     If you insert a regular space character, that will allow
>>     pandoc to break the line.  The other alternative, as noted,
>>     is to use a very wide --columns setting, but that's going
>>     to give you a very wide table.
>>     +++ Baozheng Liu [Oct 20 17 10:52 ]:
>>
>>       So will pandoc be able to solve this problem in another way?
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Re: pandoc transform between markdown and rst support Chinese character not well?

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If you just want to convert the table "just like when it was in markdown 
format", then you should set a high column width. Have you tried it yet?

Another option is not to use pipe table but grid table in your markdown 
source, provided that you have an easy way to edit grid table.

If filter is an option, you could try <https://github.com/ickc/pantable>. 
e.g. you could convert your markdown to markdown with pantable2csv, to 
convert your table to csv format first, and then add a yaml in the csv 
table block to manually specify width, and then convert the 2nd markdown to 
RST. (You might then ask if it is possible to pipe the 3 through 
automatically without manual editing the CSV table. For now the answer is 
no, because Table in pandoc cannot have attributes, so it is difficult to 
be able to provide this information to pantable.

In general, table in pandoc (and markdown in general) is complicated (e.g. 
there are 4 different table formats). Sooner or later, a pandoc user 
probably will discover some caveats and subtlety among the 4 formats, and 
for example how other parameters like the column width might affect its 
behavior. Sometimes we might feel cursed and wish things were different, 
but we are blessed at least because pandoc has been consistent, and is 
scriptable and extensible (through the filter system).

Another suggestion I might make is not to use Sphinx. Pandoc can write to 
HTML directly, have a template system that gives you a certain level of 
control on the output, plus a ton of "pandoc-extras" ecosystem to generate 
websites (see more on the pandoc wiki on GitHub). May be you can help me 
understand why one would do md-rst-html conversion but not md-html 
directly. I think it is kind of backward. If you want to use Sphinx, then 
probably you should really write in RST. Pandoc also reads RST (with some 
limitations) which might be useful if you want to cover something Sphinx 
can't do.

On Sunday, October 22, 2017 at 6:28:27 PM UTC-7, iromise wrote:
>
> yeah, there might not be some perfect methods, but I think the table can 
> show just like when it was in markdown format.
>
> 2017-10-22 0:02 GMT+08:00 John MacFarlane <j...-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org <javascript:>
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>
>> Where should it split, if there is no space for guidance?
>>
>> One option for RST tables would be to artificially split
>> at some arbitrary location when the whole string won't fit.
>> But this is going to give ugly results in general.
>>
>> +++ Baozheng Liu [Oct 21 17 15:56 ]:
>>
>>>   But I think that may be pandoc should split the line for us since it
>>>   may take us a lot of time to make sure that space is regular...
>>>
>>>   2017-10-21 0:28 GMT+08:00 John MACFARLANE <[1]j...-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org 
>>> <javascript:>>:
>>>
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>>>     pandoc to break the line.  The other alternative, as noted,
>>>     is to use a very wide --columns setting, but that's going
>>>     to give you a very wide table.
>>>     +++ Baozheng Liu [Oct 20 17 10:52 ]:
>>>
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