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[74.82.3.134]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id e79sm8096528pfl.61.2018.01.23.09.03.07 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Tue, 23 Jan 2018 09:03:07 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by johnmacfarlane.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 935FDA2AA; Tue, 23 Jan 2018 12:02:56 -0500 (EST) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <333b70c6-30a1-4167-8135-f6fe87429621-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> X-PGP-Key: http://johnmacfarlane.net/jgm.asc X-Original-Sender: jgm-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@berkeley-edu.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=lrwe4914; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jgm-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org designates 2607:f8b0:400e:c05::22b as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jgm-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org Precedence: list Mailing-list: list pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org; contact pandoc-discuss+owners-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org X-Google-Group-Id: 1007024079513 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.text.pandoc:19334 Archived-At: Great, I'm glad it's solved! +++ Emma Cliffe [Jan 23 18 05:55 ]: > Dear John, > Just final confirmation after retesting: to get the transform to work > from mathML to Word I needed both pandoc 2.1.1 (so presumably the fix > you referred to) and the correct unicode symbol in the mathML. > Thanks again, > Emma > On Tuesday, 23 January 2018 11:06:04 UTC, Emma Cliffe wrote: > > Dear John, > Okay, I think that I have solved the issue. The clue was in > [1]https://hackage.haskell.org/package/texmath-0.8.6.5/changelog where > it states "Fixed overbrace, underbrace (#82). Previously we were using > the wrong character: U+FE37 instead of U+23DE. This didn't work in > Word." If I switch the unicode character in the input mathML then the > conversion does then work correctly in a simple test. > The mathML does still render correctly so I guess I need to switch > unicode under and over braces. > Sorry for the confusion and thanks for your time. > Emma > On Tuesday, 23 January 2018 10:27:53 UTC, Emma Cliffe wrote: > > Dear John, > Sorry, I should have tested more extensively. You are correct, this > does fix the LaTeX to Word conversion. However, we are actually > converting MathML to Word. When I originally reported it I got the same > incorrect result on conversion from LaTeX to Word and on conversion > from MathML to Word so I reported both at once as I assumed, obviously > incorrectly that the two issues had the same cause. I have now checked > everything and the situation is: > LaTeX to Word is now producing the correct output > MathML to Word is still producing incorrect output > The MathML is: > > > > > > > x > x > x > … > x > x > > ︸ > > > > n > > > > > The above renders correctly in Firefox (native rendering) and using > MathJax. I am pretty sure that this is the right MathML? > I attach a screenshot of what I get when I render the above and the > output of the transform to Word. I'll keep trying to work out what is > actually happening. > Many thanks for any insights, > Emma > On Monday, 22 January 2018 19:27:38 UTC, John MacFarlane wrote: > > Here's what I get when I convert > $$ > \underbrace{xxx\ldots xx}_n > $$ > from markdown to docx (see attached screenshot). > That looks just right to me. I wasn't sure how to > interpret your "linear format" strings, so I'm not > sure what you're seeing. You can attach a screenshot. > Your pandoc is compiled against a recent version > of texmath (0.10.1). > +++ Emma Cliffe [Jan 22 18 10:08 ]: > > Dear John, > > Thanks for the information below. For some reason I didn't see > your > > response when you posted it. I have just now tried the latest > version > > of pandoc from the downloads page (pandoc 2.1.1 Compiled with > > pandoc-types 1.17.3, texmath 0.10.1, skylighting 0.6) and I am > getting > > the same problem. The output in linear format of Word is > ((xxx=E2=80=A6xx)=E2=94=AC(} > > ))=E2=94=ACn which does not render correctly. This seems to be ab= out the > same > > as what I was getting before: ((xxx=E2=80=A6xx)=E2=94=AC=E2=8F=9F= )=E2=94=ACn and not what I > would > > expect to get: =E2=8F=9F(xxx=E2=80=A6xx)=E2=94=ACn > > From what I can tell the binary is using a version of texmath > that > > contains the below mentioned fix? > > Thanks for any help you can give us. > > Emma > > On Tuesday, 3 October 2017 21:52:27 UTC+1, John MacFarlane > wrote: > > > > This bug got fixed in texmath in February 2016. > > If you compile your pandoc against the most recent version > > of texmath, it should work. > > Anyway, this will be fixed in the pandoc 2.0 binary > > packages. Or you can try (at your own risk) a binary > > from pandoc-nightlies. > > +++ Emma Cliffe [Oct 03 17 02:36 ]: > > > Morning, > > > I am having trouble getting pandoc to convert underbrace > either > > into > > > Word or out of Word. I wondered if there is either > something I > > am doing > > > wrong, whether this is a known problem (I can't find a > report) > > or if > > > there is a work round for converting into Word. > > > If I try to convert: > > > \[ > > > \underbrace{xxx\ldots xx}_n > > > \] > > > for instance then what I get in Word (linear format) is: > > > ((xxx=E2=80=A6xx)=E2=94=AC=E2=8F=9F)=E2=94=ACn > > > which does not render as a stretched underbrace. > > > I would expect to get: > > > =E2=8F=9F(xxx=E2=80=A6xx)=E2=94=ACn > > > which is typed directly into Word as \underbrace(xxx\ldots > xx)_n > > (then > > > space to trigger). You get the same linear interpretation > if you > > use > > > the mouse to create the structure. > > > The above is the direction I am interested in. I am > actually > > converting > > > from MathML and see the same behaviour as in the cut down > test > > of md or > > > tex to docx I have explained above. > > > For completeness I tried to convert in the other > direction. > > Starting > > > from the above structure in Word I end up with: > > > \[\underset{n}{}\] > > > which has not only lost the xxx...xx but underbrace has > become > > underset > > > which is not the same thing. > > > Does anyone know anything more about this? > > > Many thanks, > > > Emma > > > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to > the > > Google > > > Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. > > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails > from > > it, send > > > an email to [1][1]pandoc-discus...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > > > To post to this group, send email to > > > [2][2]pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > > > To view this discussion on the web visit > > > [3][3][3]https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/ > > f240aa27-3e64-430c- > > > 82b0-55e095a5b175%[4][4]40googlegroups.com. > > > For more options, visit [4][5][5]https://groups.google. > com/ > > d/optout. > > > > > >References > > > > > > 1. mailto:[6]pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org > > > 2. mailto:[7]pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org > > > 3. 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